Spoilers with info up to ch 40
I’d just like to share my thoughts about your points too, tho i’m kind of disagreeing with all of your points. I’m wondering what you think after reading my thoughts too
Im ngl I don’t think any of the 3 ML’s deserve a redemption arc? Winter is legit the only one with a justifiable reason to kill our MC because she did ruin his family but do you not understand that she was being manipulated the whole time by the people around her?
Cryil is a selfish egotistic weak man who hated the thought of her being better and stronger than him, so he used her power for his own needs until he realized he had an opportunity to throw her away and still keep all the glory for himself.
Prince guy, yes was abused, yes its awful, and yes we’re starting to see some of his perspective now on MC, but just because he was abused doesn’t give him the right to manipulate, frame, and essentially kill MC, also keeping the power that he gained from her deeds to himself.
Eugene guy legit might be the worst one as he was the reason her magic was taken away and yet he believed that she would come looking for him and that he’d be able to “finally protect her” with the power he gained from her deeds (which was also touched upon, idk what chapter). “Hailed turned her back on him”, since when? She didn’t know his feelings and its not like he ever told her. She went to him to find refuge for a few days and it was HIM who sent her back out there, leading to her capture and banishment.
I do not understand what you mean by the “cryil has to apologize but not Hailey, who put cryil in that situation”. He put himself there? He knew what she was capable of and manipulated her into doing what he wanted. Sure he had to kill his own brother but she GAVE HIM THE CHANCE to say no so it really all falls on him. ALSO, that was only his perspective, telling Asta, the girl he likes. He would probably want to downplay his evilness (tho thats just my speculation and honestly it prolly is all real information but i just dont like that guy)
Also, while i do not have good standards to go by on if i think hailey is well written or not, you said it yourself, this Hailey is not the true villain, so she does not need to apologize. Why should she need to redeem herself to 3 countries who are out for her blood? She keeps saying all she wants to do is live her life in her home, away from the kingdoms and people, but ofc shes the MC so it wont be that easy. She is slowly clearing her name and gaining allies, just not one accusation at a time. She was made into the villain and cast aside by the three people who benefitted from her “death”. Original story portrays her as the villain but even the original girl who was reading the story says that Hailey is pitiful.
Point taken. The backstories are all told from their point of view and do not include Hailey’s. So, we’ll just have to wait and see.
But based on their back story:
I’m not sure what you meant by saying Hailey was manipulated. As far as I know, she instigated all of those actions. She was not manipulated, she did all of that out of love, based on what was shown in the backstory. Especially Michelan, they still did not show how he used and manipulated Hailey. On his back story, he even regarded Hailey as someone who’s just like him.
Even if we assume that Hailey was manipulated, I still think she still deserves punishment because she committed those acts with her own hands, unless she was under a spell or truly misunderstood like being framed of something SHE DID NOT DO. She clearly had a choice. So, Eugene did the right thing by stripping Hailey of her power and sending her away to the Maron Kingdom. The citizens are afraid of her because, again, she destroyed an entire clan and likely committed many other crimes as well.
And to be clear, I didn’t mean that being abused gives someone the right to do bad things. What bothers me is that people seem more concerned about the King being poisoned than about the King’s evil deeds.
I might have to re-read again. Thank you for your thoughts.(▰˘◡˘▰)
I see I see. Honestly I do think the OG Hailey deserved the punishment for the crimes she undeniably committed, and have no problems with her losing her magic (not that she needs it anymore, tho I wonder if she’d be able to get it back eventually?)
I also agree that the people are too concerned with the king’s murder rather than his deeds, but even though he was a tyrant, he was still the king. when the prince places blame on the lady who took out a whole family and has countless unknown crimes under her belt, her reputation is going to outshine the old practices of a newly dead king.
I will still call it manipulation though. Cryil knew how she felt and used her desperation for him as his foothold into getting her to do his dirty work. She was led-on for years and very loyal so it felt like if she didn’t want to be abandoned then she needed to be useful. She didn’t care for her reputation, as long as she could be by his side then she would do anything for him.
Also yes, don’t know enough of the prince’s relationship with her yet to decide but he’s already a bad person in my mind considering he said he’s kill (or something like that) his commoner attendant if he groveled at his feet and showed fear again
She was already a violent person tho from what we saw in prince’s flashback lol.
This was a fun debate so ty for sticking with me! I think i said all i wanted to so ill disappear into the lurkers again o7
Actually this can’t be even called a debate. I probably sound ridiculous to you, I sounded like someone rage baiting. You express your thoughts well and made your points clear.
Regardless, I had fun talking to you. Hehe(▰˘◡˘▰)
One of those cases were the mc is always just. If it makes u feel better tho. The current mc doesn't excuse haileys actions and i don't think anyone is really saying hailey is a good person. The plot of the story is more that the mls don't deserve good endings cause they benefited from haileys actions. So it's an anti hypocracy story.
I definitely agree she deserved to have her magic stripped away. How u gonna flood a whole town and kill hundreds of ppl then get mad that ur childhood friend suggested stripping ur magic when the other option was execution
There are characters though who were thinking they just misunderstood Hailey.
I only finished reading this to see what’s the backstory of Hailey, if she really was misunderstood. Well, my comments clearly proved that wrong.
It occurs to me now that it doesn’t even make sense why our MC had to occupy the body of Hailey when there is nothing for the MC to do there. Hailey wasn’t misunderstood, framed, manipulated, and ganged up. She was clearly ambitious and that made her do bad things.
I felt sad for our MC, she is a good person. She even acknowledged the fact that Hailey really did such things thus feeling guilt of being seen as the wronged one.
Would’ve been nice if the story went in a direction where the male leads (of original story) and our MC got their closure by giving our MC her redemption arc. But Winter should’ve been more angry at MC coz I feel like he changed his perception of Hailey because of our MC when clearly Hailey really did annihilate his clan.
I completely agree with u don't worry. I was just saying that the story doesn't necessarily say Hailey didn't deserve her punishment but it's still one of those stories where they don't want the mc to look bad so it comes off as them trying to make hailey misunderstood when in reality they were trying to show that the former mls are hypocrites
Ohh yess i agree. I don't think he was angry long enough at all. I would prefer if mc straight up just said idk who that is. Cause now it's like hailey is taking credit for the mcs actions. Like nooo hailey is trash, she is not secretly a nice person!! That's our mc!!
I’m confused on how morality works in this story. All had justified reasons of why they became that way and all have possible redemption for their past actions. But the only person who I think who should suffer is Hailey Maron. Like, she is truly a villain, not a misunderstood one based on her storyline.
Does it make sense that Cyril has to apologize but not Hailey who put Cyril in that situation? Does it make sense that they should now regard Hailey as a good person even though she slaughtered one whole family leaving only Rykard alive? Does it make sense that the Michelan, who stripped Hailey of her powers and originally planned to execute her as punishment for her evil deeds, be regarded as someone who does evil just because he proposed to Cyril to stripped Hailey of her powers and be executd? Don’t get me started on how it was not important to them that Michelan and his siblings were abused by the King, their father.
Also, Eugene has every right to be by Hailey’s side. It was Hailey who turned her back on Eugene. Jealousy, yes, but let’s be honest Hailey did something unforgivable.
So far, all characters have good storyline with possible redemption arc.
Most of all, Hailey’s storyline is clearly not well-written here. If she was a villainess right from the start, she should be the one apologizing to other characters. But our MC is not the original Hailey so it’s clearly not her responsibility. So, to compensate, they should’ve made her storyline written to be justified by redeeming herself. Or completely regard her character as being misunderstood. Like, they could’ve made the church be responsible for the slaughter of Winter’s Family or like a hidden storyline that could potentially clear Hailey’s name somehow.
Anyway, I am having fun reading this. Regardless of how this is written, I still like it hehe. I’m just bothered by how moral standards are built within the story. Since those who should apologize are the ones who received an apology. Those who should receive an apology are the ones who apologized.