GUYS , pls give me some recc(bl) where both the mcs are e/o's first time , I'M SICK OF THE...

sukebe no seishun, it's such a cute and silly bl manga > _ <

https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/puppy_love_2/

https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/bad_friend/

https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/king_s_maker/

https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/omega_complex_1/

https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/why_are_you_so_kind_to_everyone_except_me/

https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/yasashii_pantsu_no_nugasekata/

https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/error_analysis_report/

https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/the_moon_painting_alchemist/

https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/red_string_quests/

https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/sugar_trap/

https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/a_tree_without_roots/

i hate this trope of ran thru x virgin trope as well, T_T.
so I took it in my own hands to make a list which i personally like (is curated to my taste):
https://www.mangago.me/home/mangalist/3357670/
my list of both virgins(BL), it has mostly buff bottoms as well. <3 (im lwk proud of this list alot, it's very personal to me, i love virgin x virgin trope + buff bottoms + similar ages and i couldnt find a list with this holy trinity so i made it myself). i have added the desc to manhwas as well, so sometimes the v4v is not explicitly stated but it feels like it's v4v –if you're delulu enough ;)
apart from this some BLs which i know are v4v but i haven't read so i didn't add to the list:
*the sacred serpent's seduction
*hold over you
*warrior's afterlife (i guess it's v4v)
*kick your heart (it's v4v but spoilers: uke got gang r*ped repeatedly buly third parties: i dont consider as losing virginity or a body count bc they didn't consent to it so it's a violation and crime)

https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/guiding_the_eccentric_tyrant/

I just read this, TYSM IT WAS SO FUNNY AND SILLY

TY! I'll check them out!

omgg same , I love it when they both are virgins hehe
TYSMM FOR UR LIST THO I'LL FOLLOW IT, LOOKS SO GOOD
oh and I LOVEEE buff bottoms too lol , they're my fav type!
I , too, just take them as v4v when it's not explicitly stated
You HAVE to read sacred serpents seduction , its rlly wholesome.
Also , I saw you're from India? I'm from India too ! ntmy!

This looks interesting! TY!

yes im from india! u can check out my list and also my reading lists if you like buff bottoms or no size differences. i mostly read virgin x virgin or experienced x experienced. i have no problem with virgin x experienced if it's done right. "murderous llewellyns candlelit dinner" is one that comes to mind with virgin seme and experienced uke. then there's "heart of the lotus" but it's rape so i wont really recommend it unless you're in mood for toxic super toxic BL with a seme with no redemption and want to torture yourself T_T. i have dropped stories for the sole reason of one of the leads being virgin while the other being ran thru, sometimes it pains me bc the story would otherwise be so good. (eg, dreaming of the dokkaebi, dawn of the dragon, protect your purity! etc) i haven't read them bc i know one of them is a virgin while the other is not and I do NOT fw this trope at all. you won't catch me reading this trope AND any wierd age gap trope either. spare me with that bs.

I'll fs check out ur lists AND YES MURDEROUS LEWELLYN IS SO GOOD. But wait , dreaming of the dokkaebi is not v4v? And I THINK dawn of the dragon is v4v? In the past life , at least.
But girll , protect your purity is SO GOOD , like ik u dont fw that trope but the seme's super clingy and adorable and a crybaby , so give it a go if u can!

i did try. unfortunately I have this thing called "retroactive jealousy", it's a type of ocd, you can google it. (and i fear i have a very severe case of it, not diagnosed professionally but after reading into it I realised i resonated SO. hard with this particular type of ocd)i have tried many times to overcome it, it just does NOT happen for me. i feel betrayed, and sometimes even nauseous, even hearing about others relationships which have this imbalance in sexual experience. (even when one of my friend told me that her first kiss was with a guy who has had first kiss with someone else, I felt so betrayed, feeling like she has "wasted" her first kiss, which is illogical i know that, but to my emotional brain it matters alot), infact i have this wierd thing, if a person who's experienced is "nice", i feel even worse. I'd rather them treat them bad. i fear this is my approach to everything in life, i js like equilibrium and balance. i don't like power imbalances in a relationship, this is why i also don't like the rich x poor, frail build x very truck size build(ie size differences), and age gap and virgin x whore trope. even in my beliefs, I'm like that. I am not very very religious but I believe in karma bc I feel that the world should stay balanced. for every bad thing you do, a bad thing will happen to you, this is my belief, and I also stand by it.


coming to manhwas, dreaming of the dokkaebi isn't v4v, the uke did sleep with others, i dont like that. and i dont remember dawn of the dragon, maybe i'll check it out again, if you're insisting it's v4v. (i remember author's other work "love plan" being v4v, so it would not be impossible, as some authors like writing v4v (eg. sugar trap author)). and protect your purity! is a case where it affected me THE most, for some reason. i felt that hyunjin deserves better. he js does, i love him and i feel so betrayed and so nauseous, i physically cannot even look at any picture of that manhwa without feeling sad about it. it impacted me a lot, im over it now but for a while i was so mad at the author and the manhwa.
same with "how to win your unrequited crush"/love whatever. for my sanity I believe it's v4v, i dont care if it's not or whatever, for me, it's v4v and I'll stand by it. if one party is virgin, other should be virgin too. i don't read virgin x experienced dynamic, it's very rare for me to enjoy a virgin x experienced dynamic and i fear it only happened once with murderous llewellyn.

i don't blame the people who read those tropes, i don't hate the people or judge them for reading , or judge irl people for getting into relationships with other people (like if someone is a virgin/haven't had their firsts and they enter a relationship with someone who has had their firsts), it's their life, what irks me is that AFTER coming into a relationship why would someone bickering and cry about their lover's past. i personally don't bother with people who have had past lover(s), i recently had a crush on a guy, and he has had an ex, so i accepted it and didn't pursue him bc I know it would only hurt me at the end. it's their choice to have had a past, and it's normal. and it's my choice to have reject someone or not pursue someone with a past, bc i don't want to give away my firsts to someone who can't give their firsts to me. not a fair trade. (i know relationships aren't trade but in my head it works like this– very OCD-type behaviour, that's why I said it's a type of ocd). people may argue that "it's ok you weren't their first, you are their last and at present they love you" to which I say a big FUCK YOU AND YOUR BS OPINION. bc no one has seen the future, it's not guaranteed that I'm gonna be their last, their first though? it's always guaranteed. you can't forget your "first", your first school, first time you got full marks in a subject, first period, first kiss, first time sleeping with someone, first crush, first heartbreak, first job, first paycheck, first rejection, etc. they're etched in your mind, no matter what, i would never be able to erase that person from their mind. i would js get a place in their mind, but not THE place. i don't want to be someone's second or third, i want them to want me with a burning passion, that it melts even the coldest ice in the Himalayas. I know this bc I can provide for this. I never ask what I can't provide for, if I'm asking for a clear past, I myself can provide a clear past of mine, if I'm asking for political opinions, I can provide for it, i don't ask for crores in money, bc I can't provide it if they asked for it, I only ask for what I myself can bring to the table. Equal in status, but willing to write the relationship rules according to our own dynamic. i want me and then to be on equal ground, it's difficult since experiences in life are different for all people , but I want someone to meet me halfway. To understand where I'm coming from, bc they also have the same experiences and dilemmas.

Sorry for a big paragraph, I am not justifying myself. I'm not saying my belief is right. I'm just saying this is what I feel and no matter what, I just cannot budge from this belief. It's solidified in my brain. This is how my brain works, not regarding relationships, regarding EVERYTHING.

oh shit , dont wanna be seen like a airhead or whatever but I rlly resonate with everything u said in the first para, especially abt them being nice part haha , JUST NOT AS SEVERE AS U , so I doubt it's OCD in my case but the thought always stays in the back of my mind for some rsn.
I also dont relate with you on ur stance abt protect your purity but I TOTALLT get why u would feel that way so dw abt it.
For the same rsn , I wouldnt mind abt my partners first time not being with me or giving them my first time just to break up later , I just dont really care like that hahah but I deff wont judge ppl for whom this matter.
And I do not feel youre justifying urself in any way , just keeping ur point and thats alright! But yeah, brain worls in mysterious ways which , really, cant be explained . LOVED reading abt ur thoughts tho and u learn smth new everyday hehe.

Yeah haha. I totally get it. Infact one of my friends actually wants an experienced partner, she says " one of us should know what we're doing" lmao. So I totally get other people as well. I dont expect everyone to get me, but my brain is like LHS=RHS hona chahiye. isliye im like this. i know relationships ese work nahi karti but this is how my brain is like. shat to do T_T. i js can't change it, i dont hate the other people for having past though, i m not some purity culture enthusiast lmao. but my friend asked me that if i meet someone totally my type and they're green flag and absolutely best person ever, but they have had a past relationship (or even gave away their first to someone and then unfortunately got cheated on), would I still reject them, and my immediate answer was YES. not bc i don't trust them or they're a bad person, it's a cliche "it's not you it's me" problem. i would always overthink about their past lover, to a point that I think about their past lover more than them, (like, so much that even I start to miss them and treat them as my ex lmao), I would hyperfixate on it, how they were with them, what arguments they had, did they laugh the same way with them as they do with me, did they see them naked and touched them the way they touch me, do they remember their birthday, do they remember their favourite song and color and movie and what not, what part of their vocabulary came from adapting to their ex lovers vocab, see, a past lover never leaves the person once they come into their life. You'll never leave your ex even if you seperate. You'll be 60 and still carry a part of them. That's how malleable humans are, we're like running water, we pick up the things along the way, and even though the last river bank was left far behind, we still carry some things from it, we can't undo it. I'm really nitpicky about that. I like a blank slate. I know it's not possible, but there's a beauty in two people meeting for the first time, and it feeling like "when you know you know", haha, I have a very romanticised view of love, sometimes I feel I don't even want a person. As one stand up comic (prashasti) once said, "Laila ko toh ishq se ishq hai, wo toh already ishq mein hai, majnu mein bas wo container dhundh rahi hai" so I feel like pyaar to mujhe pehle se hi hai bass insaan chahiye jispar pyaar udel duun jaakr XD. I love the idea of love more than loving a person themselves I fear. To me that person would js be a manifestation of my love or "ishq" as they say, Rumi ki poetry samajh si as jaati hai mujhe T_T. Love is something larger than life for me, I don't think people are capable of this, it's very mystical, almost religious to me. So I have this ideal version, it's like a God after all T_T. Sorry didnI go philosophical here on a yaoi smut site lmao

ARE , ur frnd is so me bhai mujhe bhi hai ki I want smone experienced cause Idk shit lmao but hn what u said I GET ITT GIRL .
Tho I am saying ki mujhe frk nhi pdega lmao but I would somehow too hyperfixate on their past love and pester them abt it LMAO but yeah itna seriously nhi , just to tease them a bit before they get irritated lmao . BHAI IM NOT UTNA PHILOSOPHICAL BUT DAMNNN WHAT U SAID IS SO TRUE I AGREE DOWN TO A T .
Jaise loving the idea of love ugh I can relate even tho mai religious nhi blkl bhi and an atheist basically hehe .
Waise abhi toh idgaf abt love really , vo sr drd nhi chahiye mujhe so I'm fine js reading abt it lol.

same bhaii same....merese nahi hogi relationships, single life mein kya mast maze hain, parr saal mein kuch din toh hote hai jab lagta hai yaar ek koi pyaar karne wala insaan to mere paas bhi ho, fir mere dosto ki relationship problems dikh jaati hai aur im like ki ho gaya yaar mera mai single hi thik huun. koi mere jesa pagal insaan hi baithega mere saath, warna toh WAAH badhiya akhand single wali category mein huun mai toh. mujhe actually itna farq padega ya nahi padega wo nahi pata na, shayad na bhi pade lekin mujhe lagta hai mai har convo mein beech mein le aaungi uske ex ko, kuch halka bhi argument hua to mera pehla reply hoga ,"haan mai huun to jhagda hai, abhi [ex's name] se baat ho rahi hoti to paagal ho rahe hotey tum" aur ye comment bhale hi main teasing tarike se karu lekin galat hoga na it's like ki i cant let it go ki uska past hai. toh i dont even wanna try to be with someone who's had a past. and I like the awkwardness of first times, it's so funny and real. and, wese bhi im on asexual spectrum to mujhe chalta hai, im not in sex for feeling super good, haan thik hai everyone likes good sex, par it's js something we might do bc we love each other, not something we do to "prove" that we love each other.

TBH , mai toh abhi hi khush hu bhai , im bisexual but i hate the idea of coming in a relationship with a man that scares me sm bruh , just trust issues hmesha ki tarah
AND BHAII , BRINGING AN EX IN A FIGHT IS GONNA HURT LOL , its better u choose smone jiska past na ho lmao .
Mujhe toh usi first time wali awkwardness se dr lgta hai jksjjsasaj , mtlb maine kuch bkwas krdi toh so its better koi experienced ho hehe.
You're in the asexual spectrum? Damn then sex must be a very secondary thing so i get you but mera its like i want good sexual chem with my partner haha.

np you're welcomee(づ￣ ³￣)づ glad you liked it(≧∀≦)

arre sexual chemistry ka asexual hone se itna lena dena nahi hai...matlab ofc hai depend karta hai ki if you're sex repulsed, sex neutral or sex favourable. asexual people can still have or enjoy sex, it's js unko sexual attraction nahi hota kisi ke liye. asexual people also have libidos(some of them), it's like you're hungry but also don't want to eat any food, kuch khaane ka mann nahi hai aur bhookh bhi lagi hai, some people stay hungry bc they don't want to eat anything, and some people eat something that maybe smells good or looks palatable or whatever ....that doesn't mean they "like" the food, they're js eating to end the hunger. but that also doesn't mean they hate the food, or hate the act of eating, the food was there and they like the smell of it, and maybe sometimes enjoy the intricacy of the flavour, but that doesn't mean that they craved the food per se. i hope i am ok at explaining T_T. i find people pretty and romantic interest hota hai mujhe, but i dont look at a person or daydream of a particular person and go ki yaar iske saath so jau to life ban jaaye lmao XD.

OMGG YEAH I GOT UR EXPLANATION , YOURE GOOD WITH WORDS BHAI. But also, sexualities samajhna is so fkn difficult yaar TT . But I got u dw.
AND LMAO UR LAST LINE- esa kaun hi sochta hoga loll.

haan it's difficult but it's like , ur not supposed to fit the labels, labels are supposed to fir u. ye sexuality ki baat hi tabhi chali bc being "heterosexual" was deemed better, and ideal. agar esa nahi hota to people could've been whatever and never would've needed to come out, bc it would be normal for people to be attracted or not attracted to other people. you would've gone into a relationship not assuming anything and asking everything and knowing things abt them, not "expecting" anything at all. like we all have some certain assumptions but they come from some stereotypes or "blueprint", kisne bola ki str8 hona is default, bass chal rha hai ye patriarchy ki wajah se ...otherwise to we could be whatever labels ki jarurat nahi hoti kyuki saare insaan same nahi hote, similar traits ho sakte hai but same to nahi hoga na koi, to sabke apne pasand napasand hota hai to insaan ko jaante fir relationship uss basis par banti lekin abhi esa nahi hai na bc of these "assumptions" people have of different people.