Just read the spoilers this manga tho you may hate it. It’s well written both characters...

Oh lord…

Thank you for the spoilers and letting me finally drop the reading after knowing what happened!
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I really hate how Jiwook was like "we could've escaped all this trauma if we just didn't do the things we did and be together" like bruh yeah no shit. I found them both to be stupid and annoying and this wasn't a satisfying like revenge, more so just like Jiwook convincing him to get revenge like seriously? But also getting revenge on someone who has lost their memories is also crazy cause they have done wrong but they don't know it, and like torturing them to remember just doesn't really work as much lol. He deserved it but like it was just not worth my time LMAO. This reading isn't for me and it's just not a good revenge story imo. That's just my opinion, it's like no meaning to it

Hey i can't open the link

https://x.com/rapejiwook/status/1897098699379245536?lang=en

I beg to differ. The one that traumatized the other first is the one at fault. They do not deserve e/o. The one that got traumatized is not at fault. Trauma begets trauma. But he never initiated it. So no, JuYeon never deserved what he got. But JiWook sure does.

JuYeon didn't deserve it no, but afterwards they match each other cause Jiwook literally made JuYeon Psycho imo and in how it was explained they both just became the match for each other, but that's just what I believe. Jiwook never deserved JuYeon, but JuYeon wanted to be with Jiwook idk haha, doesn't mean he deserved it just that they're for each other now.

I still don't think that line of logic makes sense. They weren't made for each other. Made for each other IMPLIED that they BOTH HAD started out problematic, and one just fuels the other. JuYeon started out as an innocent person but became a victim. His later reverse victimization of his perpetrator in no way makes him the SAME. HE IS TRAPPED IN THAT SAME CYCLE ONCE HE HAD DECIDED TO EMBARK ON IT. From the description it had seemed he had endured it but somehow initially came out on top, even taking care of JiWook or smthng like that. I don't remember now. I'm reading too many stories or too much of some other story to remember but the point is, they don't deserve each other. If JiWook had never perpetrated JuYeon would not have spiraled. And again, according the spoiler, initially he had no thought of revenge. Anyways, enough about that. It's not the word deserved, and it's not they are made for each other. It's the victim stuck in the cycle of abuse he had once endured. It's not a deserve anything.

Well for me I do believe in the end they matched each other haha

Yes!

When I said they “deserve each other,” I didn’t mean it in a romantic or positive way. I don’t actually think they deserve to be together.

What I meant is that they’re both responsible for how toxic things became. Yes, JiWook caused the initial trauma, but that doesn’t erase what JuYeon later chose to do — especially taking revenge on someone who doesn’t even remember.

At some point, choosing to hurt someone the same way you were hurt doesn’t make you better — it just puts you on the same level. Like if someone tortures another person, and that person later chooses to torture them back out of revenge, they’re continuing the same cycle of harm. They are both horrible people none is more horrible than the other— also implied by the author they are equally downright disgusting

By the end/overall conclusion, they’ve both hurt each other in extreme ways, and it turns into a cycle of trauma and retaliation. That’s why I said they “deserve each other” — not because they belong together, but because they’ve both become equally horrible within that cycle.

I chose to use the phrase “they deserve each other” specifically because of that — not to say they belong together, but to emphasize that they’ve both become part of the same cycle and are equally responsible for continuing it.

I hope this clears up any misunderstanding about why I used that wording.

Exactly! That's what I thought too and what I mean! <33

To me when ppl use the phrase: "they deserve each other" it's meant in a VERY NEGATIVE light. From the spoiler's description it sounded as if JuYeon had some time before he chose to act. I have not read the novel so I can only go off of the person who wrote the spoiler, depending how they view the story, it can be very subjective. I do understand what you're trying to say. Because I understand how trauma works, but that isn't the point. *IF JuYeon had CHOSEN to take Revenge out of Sheer Revenge, that's a different thing than Trauma-bonded revenge*. I don't understand HOW he was *normal and FUNCTIONAL* after he had been harmed multiple times. I never said JuYeon was ANY BETTER AFTER what he did to JiWook. I had forgotten he (JiWook) has memory loss (I don't remember bcz I read the comic when it first came out a long time ago and only the first few chapters and haven't followed up since) and then only the spoilers just now. Yeah, if he took revenge on someone who doesn't remember, then yeah. But that's like half of the revenge dramas out there. Just not to this extent. So it's more how severe he treated JiWook. Since I have not read the novel, I can only go by the spoilers. Most of the time, if it's an eye-for-an eye, I can see that. To me, that is ok. If someone hurts you for no reason, you can fight back. No offense, but you must be very magnamnimous to be able to forgive someone like that IRL. But with memory loss thrown in, idk. And there's the fact of the time lapse. I read the spoilers very quickly, and what I got from it is there is an 8-year time lapse. So this is more revenge rather trauma-response. But trauma is a funny thing. It comes (gets triggered/aka PTSD & cPTSD) when least expected. You can't always anticipate what or when. So idk which one it is, or a combination of both. With trauma, infliction is unintentional (subconscious). What he did sounds like a conscious decision though. So I'm not sure. Again, unless I read the story, I cannot make that analysis. I'm only going off of the spoilers, what you've said, and the tiny bit when the comic first came out, year/s ago.

As for why I say JiWook doesn't deserve JuYeon, in the POSITIVE sense, is that he DESERVES NO ONE. If it hadn't been JuYeon, it would have been some OTHER chump who had come along to kickstart his homophobia. It doesn't matter. Though, it could be a specific person that did it. In which case then it's a victim-specific scenario.

Whenever someone says "they both deserve each other" they mean that they are BOTH rotten now, so rot deserves to be with rot. But JuYeon was corrupted by JiWook, while JiWook was ALREADY ROTTEN FROM THE GET GO. So he deserves NO ONE. That's why I'm saying that the "they deserve each other" phrase or reasoning is a complete fallacy. In the negative sense of the word. And in the positive sense of the word, it doesn't work either. Because JiWook himself had spoiled that which was precious, so in no way the positive sense would have worked. I don't know the reason behind JuYeon's "sudden" about-face. Again, not having read the story I wouldn't understand his motivations, the only thing it sounded like is that he's resentful of the fact JiWook doesn't remember him, for better or worse.

Now that you reminded me, there is a similar manga (I can't remember the name right now, where the "top" raped the bottom while he was inebriated, and the "bottom" ended up raping the "top" as revenge, due to the fact not because of just the rape, but bcz the "top"/rapist never remembered that he did it, AND the "bottom" had a huge crush/admiration for him at work (it's a coworker manga), and was never even acknowledged, it was like he never even know his coworker existed in the first place, but the story is handled differently and it's not the whole gang-rape homophobia thing). But same deal. Trauma-related revenge. Memory loss. And the revenge was slightly different, it involved workplace politics too, the revenge rape was just a side/ or one part, in the whole revenge plot thing.

As for JuYeon's revenge, why did it take him so long, what made him change his mind?!? Was it justified?!? Enough to change his mind?!? The description of the event and timeline and about face doesn't align with the description of his character up until he decided to change. That's what I don't get, the impetus, motivation, change in character.

And in the eye of the law, a perpetrator always get punished. Why didn't JiWook get punished?!? When did JiWook have his memory loss?!? Was JuYeon too scared to report the incident?!? Why did he take so long to come around to the retaliation. I don't understand any of that. Maybe the long time grudge finally exploded?!?!?

No offense or anything, but a lot of ppl reading stories are really biased. Let alone reading someone else's spoiler. I.e. you have your own lens, then you're going through someone else's lens. So a second filter. I cannot even fathom the sudden decision. And ofc how well the author writes the story to make the characters believable. Aka are the actions justifiable, is it in like with their character, if not then what changed? Etc.

And from the description it sounded like the punishment fits the crime.

Now as for the introduction of a third element: memory loss, how much, in a regular court of law, could someone be fit enough to be put on trial??!? Idk. When it comes to reason of insanity etc, that is a diff animal. But again, it's not the first work to ever broach the subject of memory loss and revenge due to memory loss. Even if the person who had wronged you didn't know they had wronged you, does the hurt they inflicted on you ever go away?!? No. It stays in your body, messes you up, really really badly. (I have both PTSD and cPTSD from living with mental illness that runs in the family and a controlling mother, etc. Amongst many other factors outside of my control.) I'm only speaking from experience. The person who had been inflicted things upon isn't the one at fault. How their trauma gets expressed...how it gets passed on, is complex. And this is a revenge story so it's slightly different from (my situation, mental health issues, control issues, cultural clash, mental health, poverty, etc..) it's just the word "deserve" doesn't sit well with me at all, whether in w positive or a negative light. It's like saying the victim deserves to be with his victimizer because he himself now had become the victimizer. Doesn't make ANY DENSE TO ME AT ALL.

In particular he's still "functional". No real life person is still "functional after being raped repeatedly" esp. gang raped too. JFC. No way in hell does anyone deserve anyone in any scenario whatsoever.

I know you guys are reading fiction but, no. Just no.

Sorry for the long explanation. Sorry but not sorry.
It just takes that long to explain my side of the story.

Sorry, I meant, with trauma, the "person with the trauma" often times inflict and pass on their trauma in a subconscious or only semi+conscious state. I'm not talking about the original perpetrator. Unless they had their own trauma, then that is usually trauma being passed on too. It is usually is unintentional and subconscious. It's different. Like acting out your PTSD and cPTSD response.

lol I’m not reading that, i already explained y I used the phrase no? Can’t change it now. It’s a greatly written story. Have a great day/night ╮(￣▽￣)╭

Oh. I understand the reason for your usage. But to me it's not a qualified term. That's my main point. Whether used as a positive or negative descriptor. It's not a connector between assaulter and assaultee. Just because the assaultee became what he was because of the assaulter. Doesn't "qualify them to be together". It's saying. I corrupted you so now yorue corrupted like me so let's be together.

And idk how it can be a "greatly written story" if it's so disturbing.

This is fiction... there are things for different audiences... there are so many stories that have death in them, rape, persecution etc, there is boundless amount of reading material where even the mc's die. For me, I found it to be a great resolution in how the author did it, but maybe for you, you don't believe so. Me and Dai-Mingyu aren't defending wrong, we are just saying based on how the story went it's understandable and they actually got a decent good ending compared to many other readings where it is even more fucked up. Again, this is fiction, it's when people start putting reality into it is the problem. I get tired of people constantly comparing real life to it when it's fiction. If the author is the problem, try to contact them or report the work, but this is just fiction overall. If you don't like it, don't read it. It's like how I don't like omegaverse anymore cause they all seem the same now unlike back them. Are there still good stories? Yes there are, but it's not for me so I don't read them. I honestly cannot understand people who bring reality into fictional reading.

I think you're missing my point.

I understand where both you and Dai-Mingu are coming from.

I have NOT read the book. As I have said before. In case you've missed it. My "assessment" is based solely on the spoiler I've read from the link. Based on that, and the general complaints and grossness the audience feels. This was my assessment. Being repeatedly raped, not just one time assault, is different than a one time assault. And it was gang rape, not by one vindictive individual. I even said I was not going to read the novel. I'm already dealing with real life stuff, I'm not going to stress myself by reading stuff I don't enjoy. He was ALSO a minor. He was defenseless. IRL, those ppl will NEVER be FUNCTIONAL EVER again. Fiction needs so credibility. I've experienced both cPTSD and PTSD, so I don't think this individual would have been sane, and there are elements in their story that makes no sense to me. I'm talking about this from only knowledge of the spoiler, not the novel. So please keep this in mind.

When I was in an eating disorder rehab in 2007, there was a girl who had been sexually abused. I wanted to give her comfort but she refuses to be touched. I was very hurt, but I can not ever understand the reason she doesn't want to be touched. I'm just saying that fiction doesn't hold enough realism to support my believing in it. It's like reading about the Holocaust, even if fiction. The amount of horror is just too much for me.

Right, I agree, arguing or debating with a stranger over their analysis or point of view—how they interpret or see a story—is pointless. If you understand why I used that phrase, I won’t be coming back to reply, since I’ve already said what I needed to. How you interpret a story will always be how you see it through your own eyes. There is no bad song, story, dance, play, or show—only different tastes and perspectives.

I would never expect to see things the same way as a stranger—we have completely different perspectives. So if it doesn’t meet your standards or qualifications, what did you expect? Even though we’re watching the same story, we’re allowed to have different views, right? I’m glad you understand why I used that phrase. I hope you don't see it as selfish that I won’t try to understand why you think it isn’t valid, mainly–because I don’t need to—we don’t know each other and also that I didn't read it. Good day or night (〜￣△￣)〜