Well ... At this point... I'm team cezar( not that I'm in support of his actions though) b...

#－.－) Nah bruh Cezar had a choice if he really wanted to protect Ruby from his father’s abuse at his age he could’ve ran away with young Ruby to protect her. He chose to stay and became the very monster that abused him. Just because someone had a horrific childhood or experience does not mean they could put that onto someone else. It’s not as if they were really the Pope dudes kids they coulda ran off to a different country to get away from the abuse or smth he became a bad person because he did not have to, there could’ve been a choice he made but he chose to hurt her. All those scars on her back and legs, her trauma- fuck that man. (╬￣皿￣)

bad take

Yeahh fuck that man, but also understand the psychological effects of abuse. Especially when he didnt know what was right or wrong. He thought that shit was normal. Groomed to groomer honestly. I feel bad for him more than anything else, but he’s still a bad person.

You have a very dangerous outlook on his type of character though. It’s not as simple as your judgement. If you were taught that things that were bad are actually “good” then you go through life oblivious just as he did.

I do not believe i have a dangerous outlook on his character, it is definitely a psychological effect from his trauma but it does not give him any right. But another important thing to mention is he did all of that abuse to ruby in his own way to protect her from their father. It is not a simple psychological effect it’s complex his abuse on her did not come from the abuse his father did to him. His abuse came from wanting to protect her, as I said before could have found a way to protect her to run away with her like he wanted to do during the tournament but the solution to protecting her was to hurt her into submission. In his mind he was hurting her to protect her, he knew exactly what he was doing, he does not get a pass for the abuse he did. Then because of his trauma he went crazy and grew obsessive with Ruby, am sure he understands that because he knew exactly what he was doing when he killed her bird but he doesn't care because he is obsessed. No one’s trauma give them the right to hurt other in their lives whether it is psychologically physically or sexually. Of course that is a given but still.

Ooh i like this perspective a lot. But do u think he had his own morals before he was taken in by their step father ? Or do u think he learned it after from him?

Well if I am correct he was taken around like 12 and by then they have their own thoughts and ideas and feelings towards things, so I believe at that age he had his own morals and when he met Ruby he wanted to protect her and he gave up his dreams for her. Even later in life he wanted to protect her but because of the abuse I think it became obsession and whatnot. So him wanting to protect her then the abuse then the obsession all twisted together and to protect her he started to hurt her to get her to stay in check because he thought that what he was doing to her was better than letting whatever their father had planned which was going to a monastery? Where the nuns get SAed so the abuse was better than that. And over time I would say that him hurting her along with the abuse he endured and just everything piled up on top of that it broke him and he became twisted. So I would say it is a mix of both his past morals and then the abuse then the feeling of hopelessness all just crumbled making him horrible asf. And it makes you feel bad for him ofc but there’s always a choice in life and he did all of that. If he really cared about her he would just let her go but instead spoiler -> he kidnapped her and if I read it correctly he risked her never waking up just to keep her by his side. Thats not wanting to protect someone. End of spoiler -> After some point the wanting to protecting her went on to be something more cruel and there is no point of returning by then.

Oh no i believe he couldve made his own choice but people respond to abuse differently than others. But i like your take on this alot and i’m lookin at it from your perspective now !! Thank you !!

Of course! I have a bit of experience with people in abusive situation and childhood trauma and each person does indeed respond differently, some people go down the road of hurting people in the same ways they were hurt, others go down the road of trying to protect people from the harm they endured it all just depends on the person. He could’ve made better choices but with the abuse it definitely broke smth in him. But am glad that you understand my perspective on things, trauma and abuse and other stuff does not give anyone the right to harm others a lot of people a lot do give people passes on their behavior because of their trauma

Of course! I have a bit of experience with people in abusive situation and childhood trauma and each person does indeed respond differently, some people go down the road of hurting people in the same ways they were hurt, others go down the road of trying to protect people from the harm they endured it all just depends on the person. He could’ve made better choices but with the abuse it definitely broke smth in him. But am glad that you understand my perspective on things, trauma and abuse and other stuff does not give anyone the right to harm others a lot of people a lot do give people passes on their behavior because of their trauma

I had to resend cuz I realize I didn’t reply to ur message whoops