im crying pls the artist took the opportunity to draw him peeing on pet mat in such detail...

I think the artist was originally gonna draw him take a shat but changed their mind and made him pee instead which is why it's drawn like that

"I can draw rape, but I draw the line at scat" why scat is so shocking to people idk lol

NGL I don't wanna look at shat so I'm glad they changed it lmao

I think scat is something more rare so people are less desensitized. That and the fact pooping has a much different gross out factor

I never got this lmao, like people can fap to rape, but poop scares them

Each have different boundary? Like I can stand this but damn reading some gore would makes me jumping and somehow shaking from feeling it on my own body.

For people it isn't exactly they think SA is better than poop is just that shit is much different thing.

I just think it is more of an exposure thing. Most people will have a harder boundarie around poop than they have around sa, because of exposure in media. Kinda like gore too, most people will have more boundaries on viceral gore than on sa. Sa is pretty common. I agree with Big Rat, people got desensitized to sa in a way they didnt to poop, even tho poop is much more natural and normal.

Hmm, make a sense. Tho in gore I kinda doesnt agree because plenty people desensitize on it more than non-con and even can think it as more normal genre to be accepted than this.

I think more people are desensitized to sa than gore to be honest, nowadays even rape is kinda treated like a sub category of porn. Rape is one of the most common jokes on social media now, speacially tik tok that has young users.

To the point it is so accessible a lot of men cannot tell what is rape (and even women) and what is not if it is not in a back alley with a knife, cause of how much violent porn people have acess from a young age.

Non con is one of the most sold subcategories of romance and porn, there was a rape subreddit with more than million users, now gore still has the gross aspect to help it and it does not have the alure sex has, sex sells much more. Now consuming real gore on gore sites, it is less people

Hmm, yeah. This kinda valid argument. I just have a bias I suppose since I found some people acclaimming that gore genre is nothing burger comparing with non-con but when I go to their respective "community" gore enjoyer would show up with even real gore where "non-con" community pretty much usually wont talk about real crime and stuck in fictional domain.

But maybe whats make those people can say it exactly because how easy rl people outside fiction to accessing it, like u said. Different with gore, which make people not really think its that important to condempt for the same reason.

I think it depends on the community you are, I agree that the gore community gets more real content while the non con community doesnt, but for me that is more to do with attraction. Non con is heavily sexual, most real cases are not done by an attractive guy with a 3 meters dick or a woman with daddy cups and insane hourglass like in non con works. So the real cases dont work the same like the real gore material, cause the gore material does not need to rely on the criminal being attractive to work.

That is why non con enjoyers prefer fiction instead of a real case where an obese 50 y.o is the abuser instead of a handsome wealthy 6'0 guy or a woman with a "mommy" build.

Eh, wont denying that non-con enjoyer, since it tied to the sexual aspect more instead of the violence act like what happened to gore would of course enjoy it more with an attractive characters being put there but to discredit a genre enjoyer refuse to engage with the rl counterpart just because attractiveness sound ... wrong. Desensity or not about the topic is, its sound like the only reason non-con work is because they wont find the rl act pleasureable to watch just because the perpetrator is not attractive, not because they condempt the act itself happened on another human being.

Most of non con works have attractive leads, why is that? Would it be as famous if it was a 50 y.o obese man doing it? I doubt. And I say this as a non con and yandere enjoyer. Most guys that get simped on in non con works would never receive that treatment if they were ugly that is what they are irl. That is why when they are handsome what is rare they even receive love letters and a fandom. Now gore doesn't rely on that, the appearance of the one killing someone and recording doesnt matter

Would half of these people read this manhwa if juyeon and jiwook were not conventionally attractive? If the art wasn't so hot?

Not saying that ur point about rape topic is desensity is wrong. I kinda agree with ur explanation. But pretty much vital debate about why genre was condempted in the community exactly because a lot people boxing the fiction and rl as the same thing, like what happened on gore community (for people who enjoy it or just see it as an outsider) where they see the violence that happened on another human being and what happened in fiction that they read is enjoyable. And thus the standard is somehow shared here. Because like u said, there is a plenty way people accessing rl rape contents that it desensity them enought to comparing it with fictional contents and considering the the same, its make them think that anyone enjoying it would share the same mindset as them and thus enjoying it solely as a crime not as a genre.

I dont think anyone thinks reading this is a crime, I think people criticize the comodification of rape to the point it looks more like a subcategory of porn than a subcategory of a crime. Rape is different from any crime and it is the crime that is the most easy to desensitize young people to by media. Because how much you can paint it as hot. Rape was never really seem as a serious issue, so that is why people get more worked up about it than about murder or violence for example. Some years ago marital Rape was not even a thing. Fiction exists inside reality and affect the way people see things, that is why propaganda exists. For example how usa used black caricatures to desensitize people to dehumanization of blacks in cartoons, it was just fiction too, but it has an effect

I have a non con kink, but I will not pretend me being raised as a woman under patriarchy had no influence on this. Most people with receiving non con kinks are women and obviously that is not a coincidence

Eh, dont u said it urself that this genre is closely related on sexual relationship where attractiveness is pretty vital point? I wont denying that. Its the part about the way u talk about the reason people doesnt enjoy rape in rl is because the attactiveness, not because its a crime on another human being. Its like u implied if the rapist is handsome suddenly the act in rl would be justified by the community when there is a a clear border that the community can see the difference about the genre and the crime.

Furry is another case where the border is work well despite their "shared" interest with their rl counterpart crime zoophilia. I would say in non-con community (or kink community, but Im not that deep on that one) its pretty much work like furry did instead of gore. But again, with ur explanation, I understand too the reason why people more easily condempt the community because majority is desensity enough on the topic, thus makes what happened here and rl as the same thing.

And we have cases of handsome killers and rapists that have fans, received letters, marriage proposals, both female and male criminals so yeah pretty much.

I think furry does not really compare as much when their interest is far from what an actual animal looks like most of the time, it is more an interest over anthropomorphic creatures. The community is pretty chill and awesome.

And in my opnion the reason why people "freak out" about rape is cause it is a crime that was never taken seriously to begin with, you can have men in power saying "if rape is inevitable sit and relax" and nothing happens. Rape has been reconized as a crime pretty recently so this "oh everyone knows it is wrong" that people use is not as real as they think, just like peds, the concept we have of children is very recent, but young people were born in a time like this so they think these concepts are marked on a stone and can never regress.