No one is talking about men in real life. It’s about how all these authors DO make the same copy paste manhwa about daddy rich ceo protective alpha seme x omega weak crybaby fragile uke. Yes IT IS heteronormative and it’s misogyny too because they obviously reflect the uke as the “weak” one just because it’s a “woman” role to be taking dick. It’s ok for men to cry and be feminine but why don’t they do that to the seme??? It’s always putting these stereotypes onto the uke instead. No one hates on twink ukes that stand their ground and have a backbone because their behavior isn’t the stereotypical type. If men exist like that in real life, it’s completely fine but this is about manhwa made by real people so we know there was thought/intentions behind them that are not ok. Also I’m gay but there’s a lot of straight women reading yaoi since both are men because they like men so what’s wrong with them wanting the uke to look a little more masculine?
You sound like those people defending the native american white savior manhwa just because it happened in real life doesn’t mean it’s ok to use in fiction because the people behind it aren’t doing it with good intent. It’s ignorant.
also most times they make uke virgin while seme a walking std community dick and i dont like it. i dont like the virgin x whore trope (biggest hater of this trope) but even worse when the seme is ran the fuck through while uke is virgin damsel in distress. i would not care abt uke being shorter or even "feminine" than seme counterparts (size diff.) but the exaggeration of size differences is comical + tell me why all uke have that p3do gaze beauty standards even when they're older than seme? (the twink uke x truck seme manhwa which i find ok is "I declare vengeance!" bc the uke is not damsel in distress woe is me) and the height difference (although present) is not SUPER exaggerated that it looks fetish-y)) but maybe im not a fan of twink uke in general so i might be biased.
sorry replied to the person above me by mistake i wanted to reply to the OP.
You say it sister!
Congratulations you just discovered yaoi is a fetish genre and is entirely propelled by straight women, they are heteronormative because IT IS made by hetero women. Even the buff guy x buff guy y'all like are made because it's a fetish by the woman, and are not immune to stereotypes because the buff uke is still the smaller one, not because it's for representation whatsoever.
Welcome to the Fujo house.
People hate on feminine men/twink bottoms so much try so hard to be woke that you all end up looping back into being homophobic yourselves.
A feminine man is still a man. Doesn't matter if they're a bottom either. They're STILL a man. Oh, it's because they've so weak and they keep crying and HE'S PRETTY AND LOOKS LIKE A GIRL??? That's STILL a man. Are you saying those descriptions = feminine? And even if they are, do those really make a character degrading? A downgrade??? It's heteronormative?? Do men HAVE to look and act a certain way??
If ya'll like "strong, buff bottoms", then stop acting like you're more superior than those who like "weak, """feminine"""" bottoms". Holy shit, ya'll comments are bordering transphobic it's insane. Why are we even having this stupid discourse? If you don't have anything nice to say, then just shut up?
Yes I am fucking talking about Ideum from Nice to See You.
Anyway goodnight, just wanted to rant. Even the manhwa artist saw the discourse and posted about it. All because they posted the prototype vs final versions and people wanting the prototype Ideum because "he looks more like man!!!"
I get having specific tastes. But we're all consuming the same damn slop. Again, no need to act so woke because you like your buff bottoms.