To boil it down to hypocrisy is wrong and imposes an impersonal universalism on him. For Turan to be a hypocrite, he would have to accept that abstract universal equality. He does not.
What he has is a very strong, pre-liberal sense of ingroup/outgroup, and like you said, a sense of duty to his flock.
Oh wow, that’s actually a really good way to look at it. You’re totally right calling him a hypocrite puts our modern standards on someone who doesn't even think that way. Σ(っ°Д °;)っ
That ingroup vs. outgroup point makes so much sense. He’s not breaking his own rules he is just living by a brutal, old-school tribal code where outsiders straight up don't matter to him.
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both of your discussion really gave me an insight on how to view this book from now on and especially with the recent chapter (chap 38) it definitely shows that this is his view
The pirate arc was interesting because it gave some nuance to him. Clearly Turan has a sense of justice beyond merely "my tribe good other tribes not human." Shepherds need to be good shepherds and it's reasonable to dispose of a bad shepherd. But at the same time, Turan isn't a "shepherd of shepherds", so hr doesn't have a responsibility to go out into the world and correct / replace bad shepherds either. Different also doesn't mean bad.
He has the morality of a medieval Christian manor lord. Not a pagan "only my tribe counts", but also not a liberal " everyone is equally my tribe."
Well, those people weren’t refugees and they knew Beje was a monster that belonged to someone… they were mages there to attack that city and one of them even pointed out that she had an owner, but that lady was insistent on taking her and gifting her to a family member. I think you need to reread that part again.
I was thinking of exactly this, and having read both this part in the Ln and WT, I remember that there was a passage somewhere when Turan was also considering of not getting vengeance if it was accidental, and he approached stealthily to specifically understand this.
Yeah, he even gave the first guy he killed there a chance… he asked for Beje back, but the dude didn’t want to because he thought Turan was weak. So, he didn’t even go straight for the slaughter either. Those people brought it upon themselves unfortunately.
Who cares? He's still dope! If you don't like him then be an author yourself and make a story where you can put all those standards of yours in. Stop being a party pooper here. Goodluck to that..
It's not that I don't like him, I just said what I saw. ٩(๑❛ᴗ❛๑)۶
Are you too emotionally unstable that your psyche collapses when you see something that isn't praise or validation? OP wasn't even a criticism. It was an analysis of the character and the moral code
Yow! Here's another party pooper.. Lol! You're way too serious! Chill.. You're the one who's emotionally unstable here.. Lol! Im here for a fun read. Calm your nerves, breath in, breath out.. I wish that you could live with less frown and with more emotional stabilty i- f you actually know what that means.. Hoho!
What I meant by shepherd and sheep mindset is that Turan doesn’t view the world through standard human ethics, but through the absolute, harsh lens of a farmer managing livestock.
best seen in how he treats the people who caught Beje. To a normal reader th(like me), his brutal overreaction makes no sense because those people were likely just starving refugees hunting a bird for food out of pure survival. Since Beje can't talk, they had no way of knowing she belonged to a god-like wizard. (ch 33 & 34)
Turan completely lacks human empathy. He doesn't care about human desperation or their ignorance. He treats struggle for survival as a malicious, cold-blooded crime deserving of total annihilation. (Ch 33 & 34)
This creates a massive double standard when Turan became the "Protector" of Kalamap. When he kills sheep or uses animals to feed the starving townspeople, it’s acceptable to him because he sees himself as the "shepherd" managing his resources "sheep". But if an outsider takes an animal from him (they didn't know that beje belong to a god-like wizard and just normal flaying bird to be eaten) to survive, he views it as a hostile attack on his property.
To sum it up he is a hypocrite, I don't hate him for that he didn't learn normal human socialization and human empathy, you could argue that maybe he helps the people of Kalamap out of some subconscious pity, but it honestly feels more like a mechanical sense of duty. He doesn't feel for them as humans he just feeds them because a shepherd's job is to keep his flock alive.
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I don't hate him he is a person and he has his own flaws.