hello. there is nothing to debate about the definition of rape. no consent = rape. the real issue is that most of the people on this website are around 13 years old, which means they are in the process of figuring out their morals and value systems. a lot of people on this site downplay rape in yaoi and manga, suggesting that rape is ok because 'the victim didn't get mad' or 'the victim forgave them', and the result is a bunch of impressionable kids (and adults) not being able to recognize for themselves what rape really is. the fact that yaoi is full of rape is not the biggest problem here; it's that it's become so normalized that people aren't recognizing it as rape anymore.
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This is kind of silly because an author has absolute power over the stories they're telling, in terms of the events they depict in the plot. They can change the plot so that rape isn't necessary, especially if they're not going to seriously deal with the negative consequences of it. So many times in BL, rape is used to bring the main characters together when I can think of several other ways that could happen consensually. This is not to say that rape should never ever happen in a story or that it can't be used in a plot, but it's too often done in a flippant way. And so it's glossed over by readers. I don't think that's a good thing.
I've been thinking lately that the prevalence of rape in BL in particular might be explained in part by the fact that authors often don't have many chapters to develop their stories. They might only have a one shot. People's eagerness for sexy scenes only intensifies the pressure. Of course, if people really thought hard about it, I'm sure they can come up with plots that involve characters hooking up consensually.
I say all this because I like smut but I'm not cool with all the rapey stories that really don't need to be that way.
well, that's a good suggestion. I think i should make an acct.
btw, with these kinds of discussion, do you have any hopes on where it should go or how it should be?
http://www.mangago.me/thing/about/46808/
I think that you were looking for a similar response as Mameiha in the previous topic.
But as others have pointed out at least 2 topics about rape in fiction get started each week.
Hi! I am opening this discussion since i believe MangaGoers are very diversed and critical, and we all have seen how we view and discuss certain issues there are on mangas.
So, after seeing a lot of threads in some manga/manhua, there are still some people who justifies rape with their argument that it's only fiction! or that if the person didn't "mind" it then it's not rape! A certain manhua's premise is literally rape where the girl's under the influence of drug and ML had sex with her, for everyone, is this rape or not? Now, what if we'll take in the factor of how it was afterward? So when the gurl woke up, she apparently didn't react in any violent manner or something, and thus other people justifies that it's ok since the gurl herself didn't mind.
Some questions i'd like to hear from everyone especially those who dont believe in sex in fiction, 1) How do you define rape? 2) What are rhe factors that make a sex into rape? 3) What makes it not rape? 4) Is everything justifiable/alright as long as it's fiction?
(this is why i love mangago aside from it's a manga website, you learn and discuss things with the other users! maybe i should make a study based on this website. if some also noticed, we can make a study of the readers development and the pattern of, if i dare say, the improvement of the readers social awareness based on the comment sections! or like the trend of readers comments, or like when did readers started to get out of the idea that no need to get agitated on fictitious stories!)
ANYWAY! Thank you to those who will answer! lezz begin!
EDIT:: i realized i asked some wrong question and missed my point due to my phrasing. to clarify on, i'd like to raise the issue of do we recognize rape in fiction the same way we do irl or not? because it seems like there are many times we missed it as such because it's just fiction. also coming from argument like since the character didn't mind it, then it's no rape (which also happens in real life but is more prevalent reaction in reading ) do we dismiss the event as no rape?