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It’s in the rule book

Nariko May 23, 2020 12:11 pm

Wow imagine being a dominant and not respecting the trust of your submissive, for anyone out there whom is interested in getting into a ds relationship, this is not ok! Consent and safety should always be priority, you should always discuss what your partner is ok with and what they are not, and you should definitely not emotionally manipulate them into doing what you want.

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    Biss May 23, 2020 2:47 pm
    the " fairness" is that MD asked if he wants to stay in this contract or not. even if you say Chanwoo is dumb, was force into it ble ble ble he STILL said he agrees to stay when he was asked to do this "competi... maychan

    You are spitting such nonsense it's unreal. What is that hypothetical situation? No, no one would blame MD for that. But now MD himself created very toxic scene with power inbalance where Chanwoo feels like his obligated to do things he doesn't want to do and is uncomfortable with.
    Also it's clear he is unstable, he would allow to be strangled to death. It's normal to you?

    Nariko May 23, 2020 2:59 pm
    1. Yeah he did. This is a s&m play with MD. This is about their contract, you wouldn't expect a third party to be asked to join when it has always been just two ppl. And just cause it says in the contract t... PerishedThought

    maychan May 23, 2020 3:02 pm
    You are spitting such nonsense it's unreal. What is that hypothetical situation? No, no one would blame MD for that. But now MD himself created very toxic scene with power inbalance where Chanwoo feels like his... Biss

    let's make it clear MD is sadistic, he always was not an angel. but he was more than FAIR to Chan and give him the choice to leave. if he really wanted all the control to himself, he won't have given him this choice at all and just force him.
    he didn't have to ask him actually if he really wanted to force Chan. Chanwoo enjoys pain and to do those things, but he ignores MD feelings, and to top it all off bring his new sex partner to work! Chan has no obligation to say yeas if he really doesn't want to do this, but he does want MD. we all know already that he does, so there is no point in saying he doesn't. again if he really didn't want MD or this things they doing, he would have chosen to leave.

    Nariko May 23, 2020 3:15 pm

    Not going to lie, this victim blaming has me nauseous. It is important to note the need to constantly check up on a partner during such play, and even in wider sexual encounters. If, for example, I was to have sex with someone and they began to do something I did not like, It is would be important for the both of us to discuss this. What is happening here is pressure, it’s the manipulation of Chanwoo’s emotions, despite MD being aware of Chan’s previous experience with abuse. In fact, he completely neglects the clear expression of distress, and goes as far as to punish Chanwoo for showing distress, instead of I don’t know, stopping the play and asking if he is ok and what is upsetting him LIKE IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE DONE. The idea that, because Chanwoo had earlier stated that he did not want a relationship with MD outside the DS contract (and found it necessary to explain to MD that he wished to meet a new partner), warrants this kind of mistreatment is the very essence of victim blaming. Chanwoo entered the play with apprehension but nonetheless consented to participate (even if under coercion) I agree, but this consent was retracted the moment he no longer wished to participate, in what world is it then ok to then not only beat but cruelly pressure him into an ultimatum which is basically saying ‘if you don’t do this, then I will no longer want you’, instead of stopping the play and having a mature conversation like in actual Dom/Sub relationships where checking in on emotions are key to the safety of both participants. This is enabling language, it appropriates abuse in BDSM relationship where consent means nothing. It’s dangerous thinking my guys.

    Nariko May 23, 2020 3:24 pm
    the " fairness" is that MD asked if he wants to stay in this contract or not. even if you say Chanwoo is dumb, was force into it ble ble ble he STILL said he agrees to stay when he was asked to do this "competi... maychan

    It is important to note that Chanwoo wanted to have sex with the man prior to finding out his true intentions, then no longer wanted to after finding out it was manipulation. THAT is where the consent is withdrew. That is essentially the same as saying, well they did have a crush on that guy before, so it doesn’t matter if they’re no longer attracted to them, they can still have sex with the guy. In addition, if Chanwoo did have consensual sex with the man, then found out that he was indeed after MD, this would be an unfortunate experience that would not be either MD’s fault nor Chanwoo’s. The problem here isn’t the relationship between Chanwoo and the man, but MD’s emotional manipulation, physical abuse, and outright ignorance of Chanwoo's emotions as his submissive that is the issue.

    maychan May 23, 2020 3:32 pm
    It is important to note that Chanwoo wanted to have sex with the man prior to finding out his true intentions, then no longer wanted to after finding out it was manipulation. THAT is where the consent is withdr... Nariko

    so it's okay to have sex with a stranger that you don't know anything about, claim it is love but then when you found out about their past he does not want too cause yeas, he was dumb enough to not try to check on him.
    and MD just doing what Chan is doing in the end, why did Chan bring his sex partner to him soo easily?!! I asked again, do you bring your lover to your boss at work too? so he can you know, agree you have sex with them?? is that logical to you?? I really asking.

    Nariko May 23, 2020 4:00 pm
    so it's okay to have sex with a stranger that you don't know anything about, claim it is love but then when you found out about their past he does not want too cause yeas, he was dumb enough to not try to check... maychan

    Whilst I understand it is perceived as rather taboo for people to have sex upon first meeting, it is not wrong to do so and I’d be lying if I said that I don’t often fall in love with strangers. Also, it is important to note that MD is not Chanwoo’s boss but his sexual partner, and I don’t use the word relationship on purpose here because they’re in a purely sexual partnership. In this respect, it does not seem inappropriate to inform your sexual partner about any other relationships you’re thinking of engaging in. I myself have been in a relationship with someone and also had a DS partnership with another person, I informed both parties and prior to beginning anything as it’s important to do so both for the benefits of each party and in the sexual health aspect.

    maychan May 23, 2020 4:15 pm
    Whilst I understand it is perceived as rather taboo for people to have sex upon first meeting, it is not wrong to do so and I’d be lying if I said that I don’t often fall in love with strangers. Also, it is... Nariko

    I won't have called it "boss" if people won't claim them has just work partners at this point. which is clearly isn't the case here! they not just "Sex partners" if one of them has feelings to the other. and yeas for both health aspects, in this case, you don't bring your other sex partner to this kind of relationship! it will always end badly! so yeas it is still Chan fault!
    and please don't call it "fall in love" bs, you get attracted is more fitting for this. but it is not loving if you don't know anything about them. it's more attraction cause you have nothing to fall in love with other than their looks. what is fine, but it is not love.

    juuulya May 23, 2020 4:21 pm
    I won't have called it "boss" if people won't claim them has just work partners at this point. which is clearly isn't the case here! they not just "Sex partners" if one of them has feelings to the other. and ye... maychan

    A. You’re not making any sense whatsoever
    B. Stop slut shaming and victim blaming
    C. People like you are why bdsm has such a bad reputation
    D. Please want more for yourself. You don’t have to be an abuse excuser. Love yourself bruh

    maychan May 23, 2020 4:25 pm
    A. You’re not making any sense whatsoeverB. Stop slut shaming and victim blamingC. People like you are why bdsm has such a bad reputationD. Please want more for yourself. You don’t have to be an abuse excus... juuulya

    1. shut up.
    2. stop making him into a victim HE IS NOT
    3. you the reason people are idiots LOL
    4. please learn not to do things like the idiot Chan and protect yourself more. bye

    NyaruLee May 23, 2020 4:54 pm
    Not going to lie, this victim blaming has me nauseous. It is important to note the need to constantly check up on a partner during such play, and even in wider sexual encounters. If, for example, I was to have ... Nariko

    Thank you so much for your informed opinion. My stomach is turning because of the nonsense those people are spouting

    juuulya May 23, 2020 4:55 pm
    1. shut up.2. stop making him into a victim HE IS NOT3. you the reason people are idiots LOL4. please learn not to do things like the idiot Chan and protect yourself more. bye maychan

    Yikes. Imo abuse excusers are just as bad as abusers. I sincerely hope no one has the displeasure of being in a relationship with you

    Nariko May 23, 2020 5:19 pm
    Thank you so much for your informed opinion. My stomach is turning because of the nonsense those people are spouting NyaruLee

    I’m glad it helped, my love! I’ve had my fair share of negative D/S relationships, and I’ve had amazing ones, it’s all about trust and mutual respect. It’s been so misrepresented in media, including that of 50 Shades! Also, if you want a good Webtoon for an accurate portrayal of BDSM, try ‘Therapist’ by Park Ji-Yeon

    Nariko May 23, 2020 5:35 pm
    I won't have called it "boss" if people won't claim them has just work partners at this point. which is clearly isn't the case here! they not just "Sex partners" if one of them has feelings to the other. and ye... maychan

    You’re absolutely right, in fact I liked that MD and Chanwoo had an honest talk about the feelings in their relationship, and managed to clear things up- with the conclusion being that Chanwoo was not interested in a relationship outside of the D/S one, which MD understood. A perfect example of open communication. As I stated previously, it is quite common for people to have a kink partner outside of their relationship (which I usually discussed with both people) especially if your SO does not share your kink. In this regard, is it not better to inform your dominant that you’re thinking of getting into a relationship outside the given contract? And if they’re not ok with it, to then end the said contract? Instead of abusing the dominant position to manipulate the submissive into making them feel uncomfortable and worse, to harm them. Whilst for some people it may take longer to fall in love, it is not unheard of that some are quick to fall in love. This, however, is not my argument. My argument is that in this specific play MD abused Chanwoo’s trust to fit his own agenda, thus intentionally hurting the submissive. If I was Chanwoo, I’d get the hell out of there, but since it is prevalent in these types of comics, I imagine there will be a romanticisation of a toxic relationship built on gaslighting and manipulation. I believe we obviously see things very differently, I just hope that if you ever find yourself in a situation where your consent and distress is ignored and punished, you know that it is not your fault, that the community I myself am a part of is not like this, it is respectful and caring, and will never put people in harms way.