Man, they didn't even have proper sex yet. And Kuroda is forceful but he dind't rape Shiro...

Doesn't matter. For this manga to be part of rape culture, the onus would be on its rape-screeching critics to prove that its readers condone and minimalize rape in real life and push for laws which codify it. Nobody here qualifies. Rape in yaoi, written primarily by women for other women, is the exception to the standards which apply to rape in classic heterosexual porn ... and there are all kinds of reasons for that.

Anon has flounced into various threads, accusing readers of condoning rape because this story has elements of dub-con and non-con tropes throughout. Well, correlation does not mean causation. Anon is a fool on a crusade. Too bad, anon has targeted a forum where so many readers identify as feminists and understand rape culture more than it does.

Are you kidding me? With people screaming "RAPE CULTURE" on every yaoi manga here from the most popular to the most obscure? This is bullshit.

Only person screaming here is you. That's the real bullshit.

Pfft. Go take a round on this site, "feminist".

What for, troll? It's your own personal crusade. One person does not make a movement, especially when you're one person cannot even make a coherent point.

http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/kowarekake_no_omocha/

Just to name a random one.

Pfft, same answer.

You're blind to the people screaming rape even though there's none in that story? Are you playing dumb or are you really this blind?

So, where were you when feminists were accusing Koisuru Boukun of rape and rape culture?

Likely being hypocritically silent.

Didn't read it. Doesn't matter since this is Ten Count.

Besides, I've already said this in my first comment on this thread: rape in yaoi, which is predominately written by women for women, is different than rape in standard male-gaze porn. It usually means something else from rape entirely. If you're going to scream "rape culture", you had better find some way of proving that it isn't about these other dynamics.

You haven't got the faintest clue what rape culture actually is, do you?

I'm not the one that's screaming rape culture. I find it hypocritical to give a free pass to Ten Count when other manga have used the exact same tropes before and got accused of all sorts of shit by feminists.

As I said in the other post - I'm not the one that's screaming rape culture but feminists have been saying yaoi promotes rape culture for a long time now, to change the tune so suddenly seems hypocritical even to me.

^ in reply to Thot.

I never said you did. Where did you get that idea? AND, I am a feminist who has read all kinds of manga with these tropes, and I've never accused them of supporting rape culture either. Unlike Anon, I know the difference.

There's a "too" missing in my first post, sorry.
Also I'm sorry but in my experience is the opposite, lots of feminists accusing yaoi of supporting rape because what looked like noncon at first developed into love. I don't get why that's okay in this manga but not in others.

I don't know any feminists who say yaoi promotes rape culture. I know all kinds who don't believe it does, even when there are depictions of rape in yaoi. Mind, feminism isn't one big monolithic entity that demands all feminist march in lock-step either, so there may be some that do *shrugs*. I'm not one of them.

I don't believe yaoi supports rape culture because I think that rape represents all kinds of things to its readers which have nothing to do with rape in real life. It does so because it is pure fantasy, with no causal connection to real life ... apart from harmless ones like relief of tension.

You really must have avoided most places on the internet not to know any feminist who does that.

Well, now you know a feminist who doesn't. I know many more who share this attitude and realize there is more going on under the surface of the story. So stop labeling everyone who has issues with rape-tropes in yaoi to be a feminist, or attributing crusades against rape in yaoi to be a form of feminism.