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To the uneducated discriminatory skeleton

Rosepainter October 26, 2020 2:29 am

Trans people dont make you gay, and being around gay people dont make you gay.
You actually have to sleep with them and prefer cis or trans men to be gay. Sexuality isn't something that is the same as the 3 sexes or various genders. I swear, I'm arguing with myself lol dam fiction got me fucked up lol. Ugh #-.-)
I have said this before, but it's a trend I am seeing. Alot of manga the past 20 years I have read them always drag cis and trans women down. As if those women are just disgraceful, cis women are villains and treat gays like token shopping bags, and trans women are degraded and have their woman hood stripped from them like jokes as well as being villains. I really am glad webtoons were invented, the artists can interact with trends and fans more. Even though they dont most of the time but still they know now that misogyny should be at least avoided, unless doing a cis or trans female lead storytelling were misogynistic remarks are gonna be common. But in yoai I just think it's a bit outdated for men to just hate women like that. ( ̄へ ̄)
This I guess is more so a guttural cry at all the pent of feelings as a woman I feel when I see that. I just roll my eyes like bitch.....come on!!!!!! ┑( ̄Д  ̄)┍

Responses
    Blaubeerchen27 October 27, 2020 8:17 pm

    Dafuq, there's 3 sexes now?

    Ozge October 27, 2020 8:22 pm
    Dafuq, there's 3 sexes now? Blaubeerchen27

    Lol there have always been more than two sexes lmao didn’t you ever heard XXY or XYY chromosomes? I mean it’s not like they were just invented but they don’t normally teach these things at schools...kinda sad

    Ozge October 27, 2020 8:26 pm
    Lol there have always been more than two sexes lmao didn’t you ever heard XXY or XYY chromosomes? I mean it’s not like they were just invented but they don’t normally teach these things at schools...kinda... Ozge

    Once again yeah sure these aren’t the general public but there are still people that exist like this so why shouldn’t we just accept them as they are?

    Nonon66 October 27, 2020 8:47 pm
    Once again yeah sure these aren’t the general public but there are still people that exist like this so why shouldn’t we just accept them as they are? Ozge

    Those chromosomes you're talking about don't make up a new sex. They're genetic conditions in some cases pretty harmful for the person. And there are only two sexes female and male. If someone is born with both female and male reproductive organs it's called intersex, but that's it.

    lostikins October 27, 2020 9:06 pm

    Tf are you on about?

    The only people I've seen be problematic in this one are Yuu's parents and the head cook at Yuu's job. I haven't seen a single trans person in this manga yet and the only problematic female has been the mom.

    Everyone else has been supportive so far. Even Yuu's boss was supportive and apologetic towards him after that one cook was talkin' shit.

    Are we reading the same manga?

    Oatmeal October 27, 2020 9:39 pm
    Lol there have always been more than two sexes lmao didn’t you ever heard XXY or XYY chromosomes? I mean it’s not like they were just invented but they don’t normally teach these things at schools...kinda... Ozge

    I think you've got it a little mixed up. Those chromosome combinations are genetic mutations that affect growth and development in males. What you're referring to is multiple genders. There have always only been 2 sexes (i.e. male and female) but a person can identify as being cis, binary, non-binary (I can go on and on really).

    sezgek26 October 27, 2020 10:01 pm
    Lol there have always been more than two sexes lmao didn’t you ever heard XXY or XYY chromosomes? I mean it’s not like they were just invented but they don’t normally teach these things at schools...kinda... Ozge

    and this is where the science cry seriously and u say they don't teach these in school lol in my 30 years life i have never seen anybody who is soooo wrong but proud themselves for being smart damn girl please learn what u are talking about

    ChewingGum October 27, 2020 10:02 pm
    I think you've got it a little mixed up. Those chromosome combinations are genetic mutations that affect growth and development in males. What you're referring to is multiple genders. There have always only bee... @Oatmeal

    Sexes and gender is a different thing. Op was and is right, there are more than two sex, biologically speaking, there are 5 sexes, maybe even more, and obviously there are many different genders, since gender is a social construction (=・ω・=)

    Blaubeerchen27 October 27, 2020 11:00 pm
    Sexes and gender is a different thing. Op was and is right, there are more than two sex, biologically speaking, there are 5 sexes, maybe even more, and obviously there are many different genders, since gender i... ChewingGum

    I'm sorry, but that's total bullshit. What is it with people making up new definitions for everything these days? It's one thing to make a difference between gender and sex, but there are not magically new sexes in the world. There's male and female, intersex is a special case which does NOT make a new sex. Same for transgender, they are NOT a new sex.

    ChewingGum October 27, 2020 11:27 pm
    I'm sorry, but that's total bullshit. What is it with people making up new definitions for everything these days? It's one thing to make a difference between gender and sex, but there are not magically new sexe... Blaubeerchen27

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/sex-redefined-the-idea-of-2-sexes-is-overly-simplistic1/ https://www.nytimes.com/1993/03/12/opinion/how-many-sexes-are-there.html please read these if you have the time, intersex does count as a sex, it’s considered the third one, you denying it invalidates a lot people, because that’s not their gender, that’s their biological body, also, I never said transgender was a sex???

    Rosepainter October 28, 2020 2:16 am
    I'm sorry, but that's total bullshit. What is it with people making up new definitions for everything these days? It's one thing to make a difference between gender and sex, but there are not magically new sexe... Blaubeerchen27

    You are exactly correct intersexed and transgenderism isn't new. How ever if life started from a single cell intersexed bacteria. That is actually the first purist form of sex and ecosystem "visual" gender( referring to animal social interactions that are visually expressive using gender", thuse those the harsh environment and vast exposure to climate further mutated them. were we later end up with aka Cis Male and cis female.
    How ever X is a chromosome standard in all life, so everyone starts as cis female( second mutationafter single cell bacteria), the y is a mutation that came later (a mutation of incest copulation between intersexed and cis female reproduction in early aquatic life forms. This process Created cis males who statistically live less then cis females due to that mutation (increased levels of testosterone, which are linked to higher metabolism, which contributes to higher mortality rates). Intersexed individuals may not be present as much as they were in the beginning but the played a huge role in starting life here. Xxy, xx, xy. Those are the most common three sets of chromosomes that has been observed.
    trans women are women (not cis but are women) as an example they can reproduce, because they share a X chromosome that is a link to cis female cognitive development, secondary sex traits development, And social nesting aspects. This explains, why vaginal surgery and hormonal therapy are acceptable to the trans female bodies with out rejection. Because they share a X chromosome which produces estrogen. The process of highly skilled artists and doctors can reverse that process into a anatomically correct, visually idealized, sexually operative vagina.
    Trans men don't have a y chromosome unless they are intersexed.
    So there for at the moment, there are no surgeries that are being worked on to overcome rejection or help with reproduction. But from my point of view the logical way to fix that is through stem cell research. To harvest a organ from their body, there would be big challenges but it is possible.
    Essentially cis men, are mutations of cis women, and cis women, are descendants of hereditary hermaphrodite bacteria. That is why as far as we know no foreign components make up intersexed chromosome patterns because it's a variation between xxy, examples including xyy, xxyy etc.
    There is no making up a new sex when intersex beings still co exist with us. From homosapians to amphibians, to invertebrates, and mammals and insects.
    Sex is a very complex thing from a non bias point of view. Also it is very much in a sense tied to social identity( old practice of adressing sex by visual standards) that has incased and halted most of the studies of these subjects.
    because from a evolutionary perspective, sexes dont matter much when you can use a synthetic womb to host your baby with out even needing to be either 3 sexes.that is in the very far future, assuming mass ignorance doesn't get pedo right wing leaders who defund science because of private interest and religious beliefs.
    Intersexed being technically are the perfect sex, because with in them lies diversity in reproduction, that will also play a big part in the future due to climate changes. Trans women and men are also valuable in a since because of reproduction diversity. Since cis men are to a degree partly female. Having testosterone and estrogen trans women who undergo there process can also give birth in a 82% birth rate. Unlike most cases of natal cis female birth at a 68% success rate. This difference is because of stamina, and highly monitored pregnancy and c-sections. The technology is already present and the studies are already there for you to Google. How ever alot of these methods are pushed harder because of right wing groups with private interest.

    Sooooo let's summarize
    Nothing is new, in fact the 3 sexes are actually more alike then different. With technology ushering in a evolution in our species, birth is not a sex specific function.
    Any present homosapian cis, intersexed, cis female can have a child as long as you have a X chromosome. Or in the future far future with the use of technology reproduction diversity will extend beyond sexes almost completely, to the point that holding a fetus in the body is not even necessary and qualified nurses can monitor various outcomes of fetus development. For example, to exclude terminal health problems, or to even chose a sex of various forms this term is called "designer babies " and most likely will only be offered to high income individuals.
    As for now technically what "science " your referring to has always been a discriminatory or outdated approach, science is a evolutionary field. Scientists once believed the earth was flat lol, they once thought that the planets revolved around the earth. The once thought cis, and transwomen were deformities of cis men lol, they once said that cis men were naturally smarter then cis,intersexed or transwomen because their skulls were bigger( has to do do with testosterone not intelligence). Even though we know different now thanks to ongoing observational data we have come a long way. But to simply ignore things because it doesn't make sense to you is a slap in the face to the process of science it's self. Science in it's true form is a ever ongoing study of knowledge it's a pursuit not a final verdict. When one door shuts another scientist comes and opens that door and turns on the lights to reveal a hall way of more doors.
    Sexes and gender are different, but not that different if all of them can reproduce. The issue then becomes a social issue. And social issues are what scientists really should use to say something is fact. That is why you have so much problems with slower and slower integration of new technologies and findings. Because be will always when to say oh shit that's crazy, or the government defunds stuff it's a weird process but yeah.

    Ozge October 28, 2020 5:55 am
    Those chromosomes you're talking about don't make up a new sex. They're genetic conditions in some cases pretty harmful for the person. And there are only two sexes female and male. If someone is born with both... Nonon66

    I mean when I learned about those they were taught as sexes and it was like most common 6 sexes or something like that. Isn’t intersex a sex as well? And isn’t androgynous people another sex?

    Ozge October 28, 2020 5:57 am
    I think you've got it a little mixed up. Those chromosome combinations are genetic mutations that affect growth and development in males. What you're referring to is multiple genders. There have always only bee... @Oatmeal

    I was taught that those were all sexes as well and I guess it was something like most common 6 sexes or something but yeah I might be wrong but once again isn’t intersex a new sex as well?

    Ozge October 28, 2020 5:57 am
    I was taught that those were all sexes as well and I guess it was something like most common 6 sexes or something but yeah I might be wrong but once again isn’t intersex a new sex as well? Ozge

    Not new but another*

    Ozge October 28, 2020 5:58 am
    and this is where the science cry seriously and u say they don't teach these in school lol in my 30 years life i have never seen anybody who is soooo wrong but proud themselves for being smart damn girl please ... sezgek26

    Lol I mean i was taught this at school but I might be wrong I just replied with what I knew as right but hey I might be wrong

    okk October 28, 2020 7:05 am
    Lol I mean i was taught this at school but I might be wrong I just replied with what I knew as right but hey I might be wrong Ozge

    the person from the original post is really knowledgeable and totally right but in super simple terms sex and gender are different, sex has to do with your biology, gender is a social construct and what you identify as.
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    there are three sexes: male, female, and intersex (which appears differently sometimes and varies, a politically incorrect and outdated term for this would be hermaphrodite)
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    there are countless genders: for example you can identify as gender non-binary/non-conforming and many cultures such as native american cultures believe in multiple (i think like 6-7) culturally specific genders within their societies

    okk October 28, 2020 7:22 am

    u literally so right lol, the way i see it is that the target audience for yaoi is women. i can't remember where i learned this but yaoi exists because women's sexualities were suppressed so women viewing pornographic material containing other women was highly frowned upon, idk why but yaoi was seen as more soacially acceptable, that's how the entire genre came to be. this being said i feel like trans women are constantly being reduced to stereotypes and made out to be jokes because there's no need for them be sexualized and they don't need to be appealing to women. they aren't what is being marketed towards the target audience, they're just background characters. it might also be something authors include in their works because its what has traditionally always been done, but i feel like originally, trans women were stripped of their womanhood purposely to make them less sexual because women being sexual is a no no. the blatant hate towards cis women makes less sense and might stem from similar sexist beliefs but idk that's just my interpretation.

    Blaubeerchen27 October 28, 2020 9:19 am

    Is anyone here NOT learning their biology from Tumblr?
    Intersex is NOT a new sex - the name itself already states the people are born BETWEEN the two sexes. This has nothing to do with "invalidation", nearly every intersex person (which are very few in the world) lives as one or the other sex and takes supplements like hormones to change the body in one direction.
    Androgynity as NOTHING to do with sex, it's purely visual. It can be a style, genetics or sth, but again, it has NOTHING to do with sex.
    Gender is a bit of a religious belief these days so I won't argue about the number of genders, HOWEVER sex is a biological fact.

    Blaubeerchen27 October 28, 2020 9:21 am
    the person from the original post is really knowledgeable and totally right but in super simple terms sex and gender are different, sex has to do with your biology, gender is a social construct and what you ide... okk

    Factually wrong, the nativa tribes you describe never viewed these people as another gender. They simply were assigned another role in society due to their sexuality, but it was more in the form of making them outcasts. They never believed in a 3rd (or more) gender, that's a myth that has been making the rounds on the internet for ages though.

    Rosepainter October 28, 2020 2:23 pm
    Is anyone here NOT learning their biology from Tumblr?Intersex is NOT a new sex - the name itself already states the people are born BETWEEN the two sexes. This has nothing to do with "invalidation", nearly eve... Blaubeerchen27

    Your wrong, I just proved that, intersexed is the simple and only reason life on earth exists。I dont want to repeat myself because if you did not understand that explanation then you dont know much about what science is, and you are no different then those you believe the earth was flat, or that trans and cis women were deformities of men, they thought the that earth was the center of the solar system, and they thought the garden of eden was real, and cis male and cis female were the only humans that existed, they thought that people with down syndrome were demons. Science doesn't prove shit that is not the point of science, science is the continuous journey of finding new things, technology, life etc. I said you are right intersexed is not a new sex it is the oldest sex we have ever been able to measure. There is no certain time frame we can pinpoint when they appear. But life as you know it today is not with out the help of them. Mono reproduction happens to this day. If you admire science you would understand 100%. Just because you studied in high school about sex education doesn't mean they taught you college level theory. I my self am a intersexed woman that is why I studied this. Because people like you how zip shit knowledge about the subject from, history, biology, to eco importance and future reproduction diversity. Not every intersexed person wants to transition .
    Sex and gender are only distinguishable by chromosomes but that means absolutely nothing! Those gender you mentioned as a religion which is highly ignorant to science can all reproduce.
    Either by transplant, stem cell, or technology which does confirm that sex is more likely relative to gender then identity. When you read my passage fully you will understand that. If you have a issue with tumblr then get of that shit. I dont have any problems going bat to bad but at some point you have to understand I know more about this topic then you. Only 100 years ago did the board of science acknowledge and implement cis female studies as a valid biological difference from cis men. These are the same people you are learning from in high school. Where in college you have professional resources to teach you and discover whole new worlds of science. If you want to be disrespectful then just say so, but dont speak for the science community as a whole. Because we dont follow social morality of society.