thats true, the main genre isnt in fact yaoi, but if it has sex between men AND they are the main characters, it's enought to classify it as an yaoi
It is very much a yaoi, just as a subgenre though. “Love” and sex between men are integral aspects of the story. It’d be like saying One Punch Man isn’t a comedy, just action.
Who said anything about romance? Yaoi = story with gay sex. There are a number of gay sex scenes in KS. Also, the author can say that it’s not a yaoi, but that doesn’t mean that it isn’t lol... it’s the same thing like how the creator of “gif” keeps saying it’s pronounced “jiff” but that doesn’t change the fact that the word “graphic” is pronounced with a g and not a j.
bro.. use your critical thinking skills its a horror/thriller
just because it has sex scenes between two men doesnt classify it as yaoi
the author even stated its not a bl
You are right Killing stalking is not a romance but yaoi does not need to contain romance. Yaoi is any story which focuses on the sexual relationship between 2 men. Besides all of the horror, Killing stalking narrates the sexual relationship of bum and sangwoo so it is a yaoi.
Sorry if there are typos or grammar mistakes, English is not my first language.
Yaoi isn't just defined by gay sex/ gay romance. We have to look at how the genre uses story elements and structure. I think we all can agree the yaoi genre borders erotica. Most storylines and story arcs use sex as a climatic end or resolution. The genre also has its own tropes and cliches that seperate it from other genres too. The best example is how creators use seme, uke, seke to label pairings and assign character traits.
With that being said, any genre can have elements of homosexuality without being labeled yaoi.
Another way to look at it: a lot of R- rated movies have nudity and sex. This doesn't mean all R-rated movies are porn.
I....wasn't trying to answer the question. I was just responding to the arguement that any manga, manwha, etc with homosexuality must be labeled yaoi.
Okay but the exact opposite logic can apply here too. Not every r rated movie has sex and nudity, but every movie with sex and nudity is r rated. Not every manga featuring homosexuality as a concept is a yaoi, but every yaoi features homosexuality (in an explicit manor).
If you were to describe this series to someone in relative detail, could you accurately do it without mentioning the explicit gay sex scenes and/or bum’s intense gay fetishization of sangwoo? No. Yes you could definitely talk about other aspects and themes, but you could not avoid those specific topics without cherry picking and misrepresenting the plot. Yaoi is any webtoon/manhua/manga/visual novel that features explicit gay sex, NOT just homosexuality in a platonic/non explicit act (that would be shounen ai). KS has multiple explicit gay sex scenes, which makes it a yaoi. It’s definitely not JUST a yaoi- or even really focused on it for that matter- but it is still a yaoi through and through.
No, films with nudity and sex can either be R-rated or X-rated. There is a major difference between an R-rated film and and an X-rated film (porn movies). Both have sex and nudity, but an X-rated film targets a different audience and it has a completely different plot structure. They are entirely different genres, hence why we make the distinction between the two in the first place.
As I said, yaoi goes beyond just explicit homosexuality. It's an entire genre with unique plot structures and tropes. So, no simply having explicit gay sex doesn't make a yaoi.
In the yaoi genre, sex is used to move the plot forward; sex IS the climax or resolution in most cases. If a certain story doesn't use gay sex to meet this end, it's probably not a yaoi.
Just because KS has gay sex, doesn't make it a yaoi, especially if sex isn't a major plot device within the story. KS is simply a horror with homosexuality elements.
Ooh, a straw man! Nice job with selective reading lol I’m speaking in technical terms, not figurative. The definition of what is and what is not a yaoi is not subjective or up for interpretation. TECHNICALLY yaoi is any manga/etc with explicit gay sex. KS has multiple explicit gay sex scenes that are central to the plot. KS = yaoi. I’m not going to repeat my same argument all over again; you cannot ACCURATELY describe the plot of KS WITHOUT MENTIONING EXPLICIT GAY SEX, therefore it IS A YAOI. Period.
Even the author said it's not a yoai or anything in that romance thing, it's a horror
I already addressed this. Read above^^^^
I don't think you know what a strawman is. I never reworded your argument. I just restated my own.
My definition isn't subjective either. A genre is defined by the writers and artists who create content within it. My definition literally derives from their point of view, dating back to when yaoi was first originated. The originators described it in terms of "no sex, no climax." Therefore, yaoi is a genre that uses sex as a plot device. If a story doesn't do so, then it probably isn't a yaoi.
My bad. Early yaoi mangaka described yaoi as "no climax,no plot, no meaning." This meant the primary force behind the genre was and remains sex. More recent yaoi use sex as a plot device and stay true to the genre's origins. The sex in KS is not the focal point, so it's not a yaoi.
When will people realize killing stalking, isn't a yoai or a anything in that area