The 2 recent chapters just placed all of the other chapters about Sangwoo's character development and his changing relationship with Bum right in the shitter. Like wtf? How anti-climatic can you get? What a waste of Development! What was the point of even reintroducing Bum's Childhood friend? Just to see Sangwoo Jealous? Why Was Bum even talking to her? What did he use the money he borrowed from her for? (I am pretty sure it was a Christmas present) Will Sangwoo die a horrible death? (My prediction is yes since he's back on that bullshit again) Will the misunderstanding of the missing pills ever be cleared? It's like 2 steps forward and walking a mile back... UGH. I am So upset. I understand that he had a relapse but Damn... DID HE LEARN NOTHING? what a waste of potential.
Sangwoo is a crazy Sociopath. He can't change as much as it seems like to you.
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Okay, if you're a woman and fantasize erotically, compliment, find nothing much Hannibal kill and eat people and think that some deserve to be eaten by him, do you think you would be in your healthy metal health?
Well the thing is that many fans of Sangwoo have come to venerate their behavior and even blame yoobum for being constantly abused. These fans take entertainment so seriously to the point others getting heated over it. So you still agree that these people know distinguish fiction from reality and enjoy a work like that?
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so sorry flusteredfreak I borrowed your space (づ￣ ³￣)づxoxo
Exactly.
The Sangwoo Worshippers in the fandom are fucking crazy, that's why. They wish Bum to kill himself, hate on him for crying because "it triggers Sangwoo" so its Bum fault in their opinion, they call him a whore who deserves the abuse and so on.
well of course I don't think anyone deserves to be eaten or killed. and I wasn't really referring to JUST sangwoo haters. but people who get a little TOO emotionally invested with fictional characters either way. whether love or hate. and that's what i was noticing for a bit when reading the comments and people were fighting with each other over it. as I said theories/opinions, simple like/dislike is perfectly ok regardless of your side. when koogi wrote this, id assume she doesnt actually condone her characters behavior, she just likes darker aesthetics possibly. i was just trying to say enjoy it for what it is and theres no need to get carried away. sorry if i seemed a bit hostile. i didn't mean to offended anyone if i did. i also added that "too damn high" meme in there too so it sounded a lot calmer in my head than how it came out.
Koogi herself said she didnt do any deeper psychological research so most of her work is just purly intuitive and people try so hard to label Sangwoo or Bumy in specific disease entity and get off on how well their characters are written in that matter. I
Good! this indicates that she has a "too damn high" intuition coz Sangwoo and Yoobum have framed in specifics diseases yes.
She drew as if she knew the triggers of each psychiatric outbreak coincidence ? own experience ? research? who knows ? resulted in a great and intriguing work which generates discussion and admiration. I think this's the recognition that every mangaka wants or am I wrong? (●'◡'●)ﾉ by
I dont know for me Sangwoo's character is a bit incoherent. And I dont even want to start on his mother because her character is poorly written. Is so much exaggerated that's just ridiculous.
The text messages. why haven't they look at the text messages to figure out who messaged her last ?
Because they don't have Ji Eun's cell phone (it's with her body)?
lol you don't need her cell phone to do that. Pretty sure the cell provider she's with has to surrender that information to the police (and yes they have access to her text messages).
They can use the cell phone service to see who she contacted last
Oh. I see. Then I agree with you, it's stupid of them not to check that.
Because the police can't look into poeple's text messages whenever they feel like it, they still need a warrant to do that. At the moment they see it as a case of "adult woman, known for running away, ran away", they have no idea that a crime happend that's why they're not trying to get that warrant.
For me It's hard to understand what is going on in Sangwoo's mind at this point. It's clear to me that he is experiencing guilt from killing his parents.... and I think he may be finding comfort in reliving this memory through bum. and by sharing this experience with him is allowing Sangwoo to be closer to bum.... it's one less barrier out of the way from them becoming more intimate. Sangwoo doesn't know how to love or trust (he's been testing bum the whole time to see if he can trust him. It seems that bum passed the test when he refused to leave when Sangwoo tried to kick him out. Now Sangwoo is just trying to mold him and come to understand what it means to love again. His first was his mother.) so his love is going to look like abuse and may eventually lead to murder...but I hope not
In my opinion Sangwoo and bum are actually quite similar based upon their past circumstances... both have had horrible childhoods that dealt with mental abuse (as Sangwoo pointed out ). However both coped with it differently. Bum took up the victim mentality while Sangwoo took the predators approach. Either one could have turned out like the other but both would have had the same fate.... in that they would become killers. Sangwoo snapped sooner than bum and killed his parents in a blind rage(at least that's what I believe). Bum snapped with the help of Sangwoo in awakening his suppressed rage against his past love. I feel like he would have snapped eventually with or without woo's help.
I really don't know what Sangwoo has in store for bum... but I'm confident that he has become too attached and will not try to kill him anytime soon. Perhaps Sangwoo is trying to create a little Mini me and wants a challenge... a rival... someone to kill him. Sangwoo told bum that he should kill him before he kills bum... idk but this would be the best scenario imo...
This may be a bold statement... but I feel like bum may have brought about a change in sang woo's character or better said as to changing his heart at some point. I feel like bum began to appeal to sang woo's better nature, not because he is different from sang woo's mother but because the two are actually quite similar. I'm sure sang woo's parents must have had a loving relationship at the beginning but things changed over the years except, maybe, for the mother's devotion and love she had for the family. While Bum came into the Sang woo's life announcing his love for him, Both bum and the mother had come into the relationship or situation with the idea of love. The mother stayed with the father even after the abuse and accepted him for who he was. She took the good moments with the bad ones. As for bum, he did the same. he came to accept the nurturing side of sang woo as well as the abusive side. I think sang woo may have hated that aspect of her. Might have found that kind of love and devotion to be scary and stupid. But I feel like he still loved her and may have killed her out of rage as well as out mercy. Sang-woo can recognize these characteristics in Bum. ( that is probably why he was initially taken by surprise when Bum offered him a blow job.) He found the idea of bum still liking him, even after torturing him, to be "scary." The idea of love, or someone loving him, seems so alien to him.( In Which I would agree with.) After that incident with bum offering a bj and sang woo rejecting it, things became less intense. They managed to obtain a sense of normality. The incident where bum dropped the pot and instead of sang woo punishing him, like usual, he takes care of him and his burn. For a moment, sang woo admit being nice feels good for a change.
Moving forward in the chapters where the two are sleeping together, it seems like they are growing on each other. They became more intimate which led to *drum roll please * (you guessed it! ) a bj. It seems like sang woo is able to reach a climax due to bum calling out his name. Here it is again. Bum openly showing affection for sang woo and sang woo is taken aback by it all. At that moment in the story, there have not been any recent killings by sang woo. His attention focuses bum. He planning to test bum loyalty by leaving him alone at the house. He was expecting for him to try to escape at some point, perhaps not so soon, and that is why he created a torturing choking device. He had hoped bum would have listened and was being genuine with his love and devotion for him. In that very moment, Bum was "killing him softly with his words"... when he betrayed sang woo and tried to leave him... (that was the perfect opportunity to use that song btw) sang woo provided punishment of course and I'm pretty sure that he was set on killing bum that day. But he stopped because Bum surprised him yet again by starting to call his name and asking for him save him. Sang-woo doesn't understand bum nor does he understand his own feelings as he begins to save bum from himself and masturbate. Bum appeals to his better nature in this very moment. Bum knows that there is a good person inside of sang woo and I feel like sang woo want to believe in that, too. But he needs bum In order to be that guy. It begins to de-escalate after he climaxes. I feel like he was done with torturing at the time and was now picking on him but bum didn't see it that way. that is why Bum started questioning him about what he wanted. Sang-woo didn't understand his actions or his emotions either and didn't know what he wanted. But deep down he knew. He wanted bum and his love. Scared by the answers he slices bum's neck. From then on things went back to before. Bum is in the basement. Sang-woo is back at it again with the killings.
However, things are not the same. Sang-woo goes back to going out and having sex with women that remind him of his mother. but that is no longer gratifying. So he goes to the gay bar. What was he looking for there... idk? Maybe someone who looked like Bum. Bum who is now his new obsession. Sang-woo doesn't exactly have a pleasant experience there but he does find someone who, as he mentioned, reminds him of bum by the way they beg. Now we know for sure that sang woo is changing because of bum.
After that incident, things go back to being in a state of normality. Bum is able to roam around the house and sang woo is not having as many murderous tendencies as he did before. He even mentions that he doesn't enjoy being hostile anymore and warns bum to not push his buttons when they go shopping together.
Things are definitely changing.
When sang woo finally decides to introduce bum to his friend, I think that was what he was talking about when he mentioned was afraid of doing something. He was revealing a piece of the real sang woo to the world. Even if they didn't believe bum, he was able to make his secrets public thanks to bum.
On another note, I don't think sang woo was lying about having sex with her. The girl talked about tasting him when they first introduced her. That what I'm telling myself.
So At this point, I'm rooting for the cop or for Bum to go against sang woo and kill him or maybe for him to take his own life into his own hands. At least with the last option, he'd have some control of his life.
You repeat some stuff twice man shit had to read the whole thing twice xD and yea maybe, I still think he slept with that bitch, I can call her that cause I personally don't like females in yaoi XD
http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/killing_stalking/mf/c008/84/
This hoe looks like her... fuck
Haha, I'm So Sorry about that! I was doing this through my phone! Thank you for reading it! I fixed it just to let ya know! Thanks again for your response!
No problem man xD I enjoyed all the in depth thought you gave to this and I agree with you xD
Wow. I agree with a lot of this. Bum has definitely become a weak spot to Sangwoo but I don't know if that's a good or bad thing. One of the things I have a different view on is the scene where Sangwoo slices Bum's neck when he tried to escape. I think Sangwoo spared Bum not out of fear but because it's all a game to him. In that moment, it's all about control. He said to Bum that if he crossed that line he would slice his neck below the chin and that's exactly what he did. For Bum to know that his words are absolute and that he is more than capable of killing him (masterbating while Bum chokes/boner when thinking of mother being strangled). If Bum is a weak spot to Sangwoo, then he needs to keep him in order by fear/abuse/manipulation/ threat. For sure Sangwoo was betrayed by Bums disobedience but then again Sangwoo sees himself as the 'victim.'
As for Sangwoo taking Bum out in public, I question Sangwoo's intentions. Aside from Sangwoo revealing his true self through Bum I also feel like Sangwoo is doing that because he knows there is a cop snooping around becoming suspicious of him. What better way to fool his friends by thinking that Sangwoo is nursing/helping this injured gloomy guy and no one will question his character. They will just give Sangwoo the perfect alibi. Also, if Bum does completely fall for the dark side, then Sangwoo is free to manipulate Bum and make him do/say whatever he wants, including kill or even taking the fall for Sangwoo. Or they could just stay in a twisted relationship like two crazy live birds.....
My mind is in overtime right now.
I'm thinking the same thing... either using him as a perfect alibi or could be dangerously bullying him or could be that he is trying to make Bum know him better or it might be that he is giving Bum another test---just like when Sang-woo pretentiously said that he will leave the house though he is outside....
I'm seriously curious and, at the same time, feeling uncertain whether where the story is going on....towards a positive road or not....
But most of all, I am feeling uncertain towards this Sang-woo character... Sometimes I can see him as a person who has capable of being changed due to Bum's love towards him....Sometimes I can see that he is all horror and twisted and just giving hopes to Sang-woo and towards the other readers [like me] who wants him to change and to which extent does Sang-woo can able to love Bum....
But that love (or how it is even expressed) is again uncertain...may it all become twisted-ness or love anew. A fresh ending or a tragedy...I guess, just like the others....I came here for curiosity why this manhwa is in the feature list, then continuously for Bum, and now for this uncertainty to where this is going [I know that other may comment or say that this is predictable----for me, I doubt since some parts of the manhwa has (so far) many of twists... and I think it may twist some more]
[I want to return reading this manhwa as soon as I will finish my thesis this year...I hope that this manhwa has great storyline twists :) and hope not to make it all gone a trashy ending... I read some manhwas that have trashy endings but some are (for me) perfectly good like Cheese in the Trap.... I hope this (my first appreciated) BL manhwa won't ever disappoint me]
For the most part I agree with you that Sangwoo has grown attached to Bum due to similarities of events in his past but there’s some things I disagree with. The main things I disagree with is that Sangwoo has had a change of heart and some of the reasons for his actions.
No idea how Sangwoo views his current relationship with Bum but I don't believe that in any way regrets what he's done to Bum. I think that if Sangwoo could do things over again, he would still be abusive towards Bum. Because of this I do not think Sangwoo has had a change of heart. I’d like to know more about Sangwoo’s mom’s relation with his father before I can draw any conclusions on it. We don’t know if she accepted the abuse from her husband and loved him or was trapped in the relationship because of fear or some other reason. I agree with ToQ-Gogo, that Sangwoo views things as a game and is always in control. Sangwoo is the game master who sets the rules and always wins. If you look at it that way, the scenes were he's harmed Bum is pretty predictable and I could see it happening again.
Some ways the abuse was predictable: 1)he would forgive Bum for breaking in, but not with his legs functioning so Sangwoo made sure to break his legs. 2) Guessing Sangwoo told Bum to stop the whining multiple times and when Bum did not. He “needed to punish him” and cut him 3) I think Sangwoo did go a bit overboard on chapter 8(?) but he was aware of that and tried to calm down. He keep his promise though by slicing Bum’s chin for crossing the line. I don’t count the abuse when Bum made mistakes during the chores as one of the consequences. I think rather than harming Bum because he did something wrong, he was doing it because he wanted to test the limits of Bum’s obedience. Since chapter 10 we have not seen Sangwoo abuse Bum but that doesn’t mean we won’t in the future. I think that what makes Bum different from Sangwoo’s other victims is that he is highly submissive. Sangwoo loves that sense of dominance and Bum gives it to him. There’s also the mommy issues mixed in with it. Rather than out of care I think that the reason Sangwoo hasn't hurt Bum for a while is because Bum hasn't recently done anything that would piss Sangwoo off or broken any rules laid out to him. I viewed the warning Sangwoo gave in chapter 14 as a threat.
Sangwoo’s variability of behavior in the earlier chapters could be because he was testing out new things with Bum to see how he would respond. Bum is different from Sangwoo’s past victims in many ways and he took the opportunity to try out some new things. From the moment he made Bum his housewife he started testing him. Some things he could have been testing: 1) How does Bum, someone who reminds him of his mother, react when he treats him abusively similarly to the way his father treated his mother. 2) If Bum was given the opportunity to escape would he do it. He first tested it by leaving him alone to do the chores, then by leaving him alone for hours which Bum fell for. 3) Testing if Bum would harm him if given the opportunity. He gave Bum a very sharp knife and a sharpening blade that could help if it was too dull. If Bum looked for the right chance he could have tried to stab him. Also Sangwoo’s reaction to the stew in chapter 4 and 5 lead me to believe that Sangwoo knew about the poison or that Bum’s “kindness” at the time tipped him off. 4) Testing how Bum would respond when Sangwoo treats him kindly or testing how true Bum’s love was. Sangwoo did not initially plan to go as far as he did in in chapter 6 or was he sexually attracted to Bum. I don’t believe that simply having sex with someone gives Sangwoo a whole lot of satisfaction. He could have decided to allow Bum to give him the handjob because he was testing the extent of Bum’s love towards him. Sangwoo could have offered the bj to figure out what he had found arousing before. Just because he’s sexually aroused by Bum does not mean he’s sexually or romantically attracted to him. Bum’s submissiveness gives Sangwoo a sense of superiority which he finds arousing. That would also explain why he got turned on when Bum called out his name while he was choking him. For Bum to love Sangwoo even while he is abusing him gives him a sense superiority that his previous victims did not give him.
I’m waiting for the official translations of chapters 15 and 16 before I can form any solid opinions on those. I have no guesses on Sangwoo’s motive for introducing Bum to his friends. I would like to see Sangwoo die in the end. I don’t think he’ll ever truly care for Bum. This response ended up being a bit longer than I was intending it to be ._.
It is long but it's interesting! Sangwoo is cold and calculating (he's gotten away with a lot!) and has purpose for all his actions. All in all, that's right Scooby, we are dealing with one sick son of a bitch....
So is this story complete and it has yet to be translated or is it still ongoing?
Ongoing
So The thing is that "Sociopaths" are incapable of loving someone. Sangwoo is Capable of love. He loves Bum but doesn't know how to. His change in Behavior toward Bum Demonstrated his desire for Bum's affection. He allowed himself to be vulnerable in front of Bum. IDK why People are so quick to label him as a Psychopath or Sociopath. I know for a fact that he is a murderer, Violent, has mommy issues, and has a broken childhood but to label every murderer as a Sociopath or Psychopath would not be accurate. It was his love and hate for his mother that drove him to kill. He understands what if feels like to be a victim and, unfortunately, understanding what it means to be weak influenced his violent behavior. He did want to be seen as a victim... He would rather be seen as the abuser/predator. He is capable of love, the thing is that he sees it a sign of weakness due to his mother.
He doesn't love Bum, he loves the role that he makes Bum play, his mother figure. That was shown for example when he asked him if he wants to play a game where he's the kid and Bum the mom.
Look at the traits of a Sociopaths, that's Sangwoo, the traits suit him more than anyone else. He may understands how it feels like and yet did he treat Bum like trash after he told him his past.
Also, empathy, really? He played sick games with various victims before killing them and mutilating their dead bodies. His "empathy" is nothing more than his mother issues. He has never shown empathy other than when he tries to act like he does.
He accused Bum for having "consensual sex" with his uncle and told him that he should have killed Bum so he himself doesn't have to "suffer".
I disagree. I know it's complex, but koogi has demonstrated all the steps in the development of psychopathy, schizophrenia and Sangwoo's psychosis. Now it is up to you to research and see for yourself the truth or continue to think that the lies and methods of control for Yoobum is love.
I Do admit a lot of Sangwoo's actions are driven by his mother's shadow. He may have kept Bum because of how they look so much alike or how much they tolerate from the abuser. But what reaffirms my belief that Sangwoo loves bum is that no one can take bum's place.... if it was simply a "role" then anyone could play Bum's part... someone else could be mommy... but the thing is that Bum is nothing like his mother. Bum is sweet soul and would rather die than to see his abuser suffer. Sangwoo should know this by now after seeing bum becoming upset after he murdered his uncle. On some ocassions Bum's presence overshadows his mom's and this is what made sangwoo fall in love with bum.
As for diagnosing Sangwoo as a Sociopath... I'm not one to put labels on people... I'm not a doctor and have no intentions of pretending I am. He treats Bum like trash because he can. He's a bonefide asshole... not all assholes are sociopaths... but maybe all sociopaths are assholes? Idk but even so, bum and Sangwoo are so alike... they share similar childhood trauma, fear of their past abusers, hullucinations, desire for affection (sangwoo's mommy issues) etc. Etc. The only difference would be Sangwoo's violent/murderous behavior and his lack of (but not totally without) empathy.
This is the thing though.
Sangwoo CAN'T stop putting Bum and his mom in the same place. From all his victims, Bum looks physically the most like his mom.
In Sangwoo's eyes, Bum basically took over the mom role. He's his "new mom". Sangwoo doesn't want his old mom anymore. That's why he killed the women when they were skiing even though she looked like a complete copy to his mom. At that point, Bum already took over as his mom. His dream in Chapter 36 further confirms this.
Yes, he should know now that Bum is nothing like his mom, but he can't stop it. The smallest misunderstanding makes him delusional and snap in fear of Bum ending up like his mom.
Not all Sociopaths are Assholes just as not all Sociopaths are Abusers or Serial Killers. You probably already met some irl.
Bum and Sangwoo are really not alike other than them having traumatic pasts.
I agree to disagree, in the beginning of ch 58 or 59 (I don't remember which) there was a discussion about the hand trick with the ring finger and how it symbolizes that you cannot be apart from the one you love. Sangwoo mentions that... the mother didn't show up in any of those scenes... he only began to having flash backs and a relapse because of the misunderstanding with the pills. The pills is what triggered him
And they really are alike... it's just that they chose different methods of dealing with their abuse?
But that doesn't mean that he didn't think about her. For all we know he could look at Bum and see his mom while mentioning it.
In all fairness, they're not, "just" both traumatic pasts. Bum seeks affection and it could be by anyone while Sangwoo has mother issues and we don't really know if he seeks his moms affection or not. Like, Season 1 and Season 3 Sangwoo have different opinions about the mom.
Well, I'll leave it at that. It was nice exchanging opinions with one another. Hopefully the next few chapters will answer more questions than it gives
Lmfao Sangwoo had empathy as a child and teenanger
It's not Sangwoo telling the ring finger trick, it's Bum.
Uh, yes, I know? Sociopaths are created, not born.
And um you wrote "He has never shown empathy other than when he tries to act like he does".
NEVER
I seriously dobut that this women was so simmilar to his mother, it was Sangwoo's state of mind getting worse, these were probably hallucinations. This women probably was a bit similar but he was projecting hsi mother image on her.
Never as in his Adult life.
Who knows.