I've been wondering why all the thumbs up and down show 0. Is it just my computer, connection or something? Or has the site changed their policy or got some bug? So I guess I'm asking if other people have the same thing and know what's going on? Not that it matters, but if it is my problem alone I'd like to know.
it's either the site acting up or a new policy eheh
Thanks- ╮(￣▽￣)╭ we'll just have to put up.
I'm quite aware that people have posted on the subject before saying more or less the same thing, but for some reason people keep thumbing down the most innocent and inane comments (and do leave people hurt by it). But I suppose what gets me is when people thumb down comments that they just don't like. I've heard the arguments, thumbing down is the same as disagreeing. It ISN'T. Thumbs up/down = like/dislike, which means that when you thumb down someone you dislike their comment. Or to put it in another way, if you like a manga but someone else has a critical opinion and you dislike that publicly, you are in sense disliking their right to a critical opinion of what you like. It is why I rarely use a thumbs down vs a thumbs up, their meaning is in no way equal. I can understand thumbing down crude, offensive, or even poorly argued comments (though that should be explained), but I really hate that so many on this forum thinks it ok to dislike anything that just doesn't agree with their own opinion. Get more tolerant!!
If it's not okay why is it allowed? :V If it was meant to be used as you say there would be a section that asks us why we are thumbing the person down. Kinda like a report button. Certain manga on here would have comment sections filled to the brim with petty fanbrats if it wasn't for the option to thumb down and hopefully remove them.
Are you really asking? There used to be a Report option, but guess what people couldn't figure out how to use that and abused that too. Just because something is available and can be used, doesn't mean that you are using it the way it should be used. And if people overuse and abuse something they might lose the use of it. Or to put it another way, sure you have option of crossing the street against the light during rush hour but you'd be an idiot to use it. "Fanbrats"?? that is the justification you're going to use for why anybody else with perfectly innocent or just normally critical comments gets disliked? I can't recall any cases of intolerant dislikes having anything to do with a "Fanbrat".
what do you expect? we are filled with little girls here.
I don't think that light analogy works. You could be killed or severely hurt at least. Nothing will happen to the people who thumb down only the one who got thumbed down gets their feelings hurt. If they are getting thumbed down to the point of removal majority rules: their opinion is literally not wanted.
While i see your point why can't you also say this to those who click the thumbs up? While thumbs up is allowed, thumbs down is not (publicly)? You're kind of implying that. We have individuality and of course we tend to have different opinions. Just think of it like this, if you saw a comment that you don't like and someone likes it, you beg to disagree with them since they "agree" with the comment that you don't like? Or vice versa. Just because they thumbed it down doesn't mean they always meant it offensively. Just that says you're judging a lot of people when it can also mean I disagree with you but i don't really ignore your point. While i do see those who sometimes says unfair to the point of being ignorant and rude things, well it's their own downfall someday and their own choice, at the end of the day they are just a stranger behind the screen which you won't even care after a day or 2.
P.S. i did not click the thumb down/disagree button neither did i click the thumbs up and i am open to your opinion. No hate :)
I do think some people use the dislike button incorrectly, but it is their decision. I'm a fangirl of BTS and we get so much hate here, but I don't hate others for disliking or dissing us. They just don't have anything better to do and don't care to express their opinion in a way that's not insulting to us. But that's their choice. Although I respect their choices it doesn't mean I'll respect their opinion since they don't respect mine and bash it. But there are many annoying little girls/boys who don't get the concept of opinions. I mean to say, just because they don't agree with you or hate on you doesn't mean they hate you literally, they take everything thing to heart and feel saddened when thier posts and opinions are disliked. They just got to realize that their opinion won't matter to the ones disliking, so that means the disliker's opinion shouldn't matter to you. It'd be nice if we all could get along and not hate on innocent comments/questons. But the world doesn't work like that. Haters are going to hate on the things they dislike. You've just got to move on. To me, buttons are harmless (though they may bruise confidence sometimes if taken to heart), but words, words are the one thing that can really bring a person down. But if people are bashing, either ignore them and move on cause their opinion shouldn't matter to you if they aren't trying to understand your opinion as well, or just say straight out, don't take it to heart. Dislike or no dislike people will find ways to express themselves so I find the button harmless. It is just a button. ╮(￣▽￣)╭ Sorry if this is long and got a little off track, or just plainly doesn't make sense 'cause I have trouble explaining things sometimes.
Oh right because the "majority" always knows best...yeah right. Like the concept of trolls didn't exist. Or should I mention those "Fanbrats" who won't tolerate anyone saying anything the least bit critical of their darling manga? Why should reasonable people expressing a perfectly legitimate POV not have the right to do so if they, unlike those who love everything, while liking the manga overall do see some faults, get thumbed down for expressing that POV? Or indeed not have a right to dislike what some people may like? It is kind of like bullying. You have to like it or we'll thumb you down. It isn't like they do the opposite and thumb up every comment they like, just the ones they really like. But anything that they dislike....and you can always assume that likely there will be more people liking the manga reading than not. So willfully going on in a manner that you know hurts other people online and trying to justify with stupid "majority rule" concept is rationalizing doing something mean because a lot of other people do it.
Normally if I disagree with what someone wrote I reply and explain why. As I wrote in my OP thumbs down is not the same as disagreeing! It is disliking. You're disliking that the person made that comment, which also in a sense means you feel they shouldn't have. I think it very rude to disagree with someone, anyway, without saying why. Unlike when you agree....(or like)
Nah- I generally feel the same way and mostly ignore the thumbs down myself. Sometimes I have told others the exact same thing. But every now and then I'll see a comment which has so obviously been thumbed down for the wrong reasons, and I just feel like this forum needs to have this debate again. Just why are we thumbing people down and for what? If having an opinion different from the norm is going to get you thumbed down massively, then this system just wants us to be sheeple.
Yep i agree with the part that you don't like those who disagree with someone without saying their point. But well there are people out there. So you mean those people who act like they know it all and disagree because they think their opinion is the right one and a person shouldn't have commented something that contradicting their opinion? That type of disagreeing? I don't know if I'm being stupid right now haha are or we on the same page already?
That's exactly the kind I mean!
Ohhh yess i hate this type of people sometimes i wanna tell then to get a life but oh well, as I said on my first reply that at the end of the day, we are all strangers behind a screen and i won't care about you after a day or even after a few minutes. So I don't pay attention to them yes i read it but at the same time I'm thinking that it's not my business and why would i let some stranger validate me or something hahaha anyway it's also yoyr freedom to complain about them haha it was nice chatting with you!
Just as people have the right to critical opinions, people also have the right to dislike a comment since it express an opinion too even though you don't like it.
But I do agree that sometimes I see a "dislike" on a question about manga and wonder why it's there because it's not really relevant. '^'
As long as the dislike is relevant, it's okay.
Perhaps the difference is I don't DISLIKE people having an opinion that disagrees with mine, I RESPECT that. If I disagree, I reply and let them know why, and if I can't be bothered then I shouldn't bother them with my opinion. Otherwise it is the equivalent of saying "you're wrong" but giving no reason, and people can be awfully petty and childish in why they dislike something. While you may not be wrong in principle, it kind of ignores a lot of what is actually going on in reality out there and gives that petty conduct more dignity than it deserves.
There's a lot a young people here, and I don't really expect them to be able to give complete arguments to justify their thumbs down.
Sure, it's better to reply with a comment, but a thumbs down is not so bad in my opinion.
Don't underestimate young people. They can express themselves when they want to. They may not have the best arguments, but that certainly beats having none at all. And I should think forums like this would be a perfect place to learn how to have friendly and respectful disagreement about something and to argue your POV. While we may not always agree on the merits of an individual manga, we're all here because we really like manga and that is what we all share.
BTW- It isn't my intention to argue that thumbing down is always wrong, bad or mean. In some cases it is deserved. In others the person can explain. But I think exactly because we sit behind screens and rely so much on typed communication it is better if we make darn sure that the other person understands what we meant by the signal we sent. If you care so much about rights and principles, well so do I, especially about consideration for others and good manners. They may not be rights per se but they are certainly principles, and in my opinion more important ones.
Yeah, they are able to write a proper comment, but many young people are too lazy to bother and write arguments. '^' Taping on the like/dislike button is the easiest and quickest way to "voice out" your opinion.
Does anyone else feel that sometimes there are some out there who are just a bit too happy to thumb down anything and anybody they disagree with? As if it isn't ok to have a different opinion of a manga as the person who thumbed the comment down. I have seen even the most innocent and positive comments sometimes thumbed down. So I wonder, do some people get a kick out of it?
Personally, I rarely thumb anything down. I only do so when I really think that the comment was out of line, and not merely because I disagreed with it.
So I would really like to know how other people feel about this.
For the topic that's not supposed to be 'Thumb down'
Seems like there're many mis-tap cases & some are bullying cases. Normally when I found any topics like those, I just *Thumb up* to cheer up the topic-owner.
You become like "stuffed monkey"!!?? (⊙…⊙ ) HA+
ARRKKK Don't kill meee.. ε=ε=(ノ≧∇≦)ノ HAHA+
I agree with you. Not too long ago, unoriginal said the same thing.
http://www.mangago.me/home/mangatopic/1523975/
And as Kyo said, some are accidental cases but some people just love being mean.
Well I'm dancing at the moment! Just so happy to know that there are others beside me who also get that feeling that it's just too much like bullying.
And @Moi- stuffed monkey or cat, thanks for the pic, still laughing!
I down vote things quite often but I do the same with upvoting. Sometimes I don't agree with something but don't feel the need to comment so I down vote same with agreeing and upvoting. Yes I could ignore the comment, and sometimes I do, but sometimes I dont. I think people take down votes too seriously. I don't do it to be a bully or put someone down nor do I get a kick of it but the button is there so I use it when I feel compelled to do so which just happens to occur often.
Do you thumb up every comment you agree with made about a manga? Even the more inane ones as well? But unlike a a questionnaire where you're actually asked if you agree or disagree with all statements, here you aren't. So while I get your point of not taking down votes too seriously, I still get annoyed that those who disagreed couldn't do me the courtesy of saying why. If they didn't feel strongly enough about it to bother, then they shouldn't down vote a comment. Otherwise it just seems too much like you simply wish for everyone to feel the same way about a manga as you do.
It isn't that I expect that everyone agrees with what I say, or that I always agree with others, but respect a difference of opinion and so might reply without voting at all. To put a situation in the reverse of the norm, would most think it ok if I thumbed down every positive comment about a manga just because I didn't like it?
Ikr I don't even mind that button if I saw something I disagree with, I either ignore it or just comment my opinion . But whatever flips their happy switch I guess haha
No I don't upvote every comment I agree with just as I don't downvote every comment I disagree with. Other than voting for agreeing/disagreeing I vote for liking/disliking. I don't belive downvotes need commenting any more than upvotes need them. I treat them the same and view them equally. My down votes and upvotes are directed at the comment not the person making them and I don't always feel the need to explain why I voted that way nor should I have to explain. By downvoting I'm not trying to say I want everyone to agree with me but I simply don't agree with or like the statement being made. I think it'd be petty for one to downvote every comment on a manga they didn't like but that's not one of the reasons I vote.
So it's petty to down vote every comment if you didn't like the manga (with good reasons) but not some comments? I respect that you treat down/up votes the same, but they are not received the same. In the case of thumbs up, you're simply saying you feel the same way, so further clarification isn't really needed. Thumbs down though has a variety of meaning, from that you disagree for whatever reason, to the comment being unacceptable, rude or whatever, and so does need clarification. People do tend, and with some justification online, to believe the worst.
But, would you in person always let everyone know equally when you disagreed with them as much as when you agreed with them? Every time someone expresses an opinion different from yours? Most people don't and for good reason. We have learned that we only disagree with people when we really feel strongly enough about something and then not merely with "Oh boo". The rest of the time we suck it up mentally, respect their right to think what they want, and change the subject if possible.
Agreed :)
Lol, you always make me laugh (in a good way). I shall dance and sip rum from now on without worries.
If someone thinking was thinking, "I don't like this manga so I'm gonna downvote everything." it would be petty as they didn't have a reason to downvote all the comments. In such a situation it would make more sense to give the manga a 1 star rating than to downvote everyone's comment. Like I said though, this is not the case when I downvote things. I don't think the online like/dislike, agree/disagree system is anything like a real world interaction though and I don't treat it the same way. Honestly I have mini debates with my friends over some of the most trivial shit on an almost daily basis so no in real life I don't always disagree/dislike things only if I feel strongly about it.
Anyways I was just giving my perspective as a frequent downvoter since it was lacking in this topic. My point was not everyone is doing it to bully and put down the commenter. Some people may do that but it is not always the case. My opinion is not going to change, I'm going to continue downvoting with or without explanation and I do not belive it is my fault if someone feels personally attacked by my vote. I reprect people's right to have differing of opinions in commenting and also the right to thumbs up and down.
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If you talk about bullying. I got the worse case at mangago!! But I'm tough. HA+
I honestly comment what I think, no harm - no rude to anyone. If anyone disagree or interpret manga differently and thumb down I also don't mind.
"Thumb down" is necessary & not always bad thing. There're many inexperienced or kid users while there're also many trolls, scammers or sick people.. "Thumb down" is like signal of alarming.
Well, when you compare it to your mini-debates with your friends, don't you normally give a reasons for why you disagree with someone? No matter how silly the subject. I mean try it for a week, going around and simply telling people when you agree or disagree but giving no reasons. I think you'll find that in less than that week you'll get feedback about that annoying 'habit' you've developed. As people we both much more readily give and take agreement without explanation as it is a positive thing, but disagreement we normally need an explanation for so we can at least understand why and make less negative. Being online doesn't make any of this less true.
Just because we don't meet face to face, we shouldn't forget to treat each other as we would the people we do meet in person- with the same polite consideration. And I do not go around and let people know every time I disagree them, and if do tell them I certainly let them know politely why.
I don't treat the voting system or online commenting the same way as a real life interaction. I hardly talk to anyone aside from my friends and family in real life but I have no problem talking with strangers online. I used the mini-debates as an example to say I don't have to feel strongly about something to dislike or disagree with it. Not trying to be disrespectful and I do treat people the way I would expect to be treated even when voting. If anyone disagrees or dislikes anything I comment they can downvote it with or without explaining and I would not take it personally.
Umm, but just because it's online doesn't make it any less a real life interaction. I think that IS what people forget, and my point in comparing what you would do in person. If you would be less disposed to disagree than agree with someone in person, because you instinctively understand how people respond to that, why would that be any less true online? Since you say that this has nothing to do with disrespect, and I believe you, so I don't believe it has anything to do with them being strangers, I can only take it that you believe that human nature changes in general on how we handle negative feedback online vs. 'real life'.
No online interactions are not like real life interactions. There is an exchange of words both but online communication lacks tone, pitch, facial expressions, and other nonverbal cues. When talking face to face to someone there isn't an equivalent of a like/dislike system that is used online. When a topic is presented here there is always the option to or it without requiring you to communicate with words. When in face to face interactions does that always occur? I can say I like something but by saying I like it it's more like replying "I like that too" or "I agree" on a message board. Social anxiety is a thing and some people for a, variety of reasons, honestly do feel more comfortable talking to strangers online than in person because online communication is not the same as a face to face conversation.
Since I don't know where else to suggest this I'll do it here. Right now mangas only have 2 statuses; ongoing and completed. That gets pretty ridiculous when there hasn't been an update in years. So can I suggest that there be 3rd status; unfinished, which automatically sets in after a period of time with no updates (1 1/2-2 yrs?) and which can be switched back to ongoing should the manga start updating again.
I'm tired of starting a manga that said ongoing and forgetting to check when it was last updated, only to find that after really getting into it it hadn't been updated in over 3 or 4 years.
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