Mici Angels's Topics (70)

I think so

Thank you for the topic you wrote about illegal sites and Beyonduck.
You're so very right about the fact that many wouldn't known POTN if not through these sites authors like BD despise so much.
I for my part woul never have known this historical manhwa if not on Myreadingmanga (another illegal one), and later continue to read it on Mangago...
I said on my preview topics how these sites actually contribute to their success and popularity (ancient like new artists) and I will still stand on this.
To say this, I'm an artist myself (draw, write).
We are not living in a perfect world, and it's important for artists if they want to survive in this artistic universe to be humble and learn to compromise with internet, especially when their work are distributed through the same software tool.

Some said readers are angry on Beyonduck because these readers dare to complain while they're reading on illegal sites...
Not everybody here who dare to express their thoughts about this is a freeloader, many also buy on Lezhin.
I'm not angry on her, but disappointed by her attitude.
She has a big community of fans in wertern countries and above Asia, how does she think they come to know her work? Of course, through illegal sites!
I won't buy this statement like which she doesn't even know her work were distributed on western illegal sites; she can't be that ignorant.
We're coming here every week, for some everyday to look on POTN, write comment, write long theories like if this is some bible..., we're doing so because this is the only and best place for us to interact about this work we like so much. I don't know about Korea, but as we can see, BL readers throughout the word (Europe, America, Africa, rest of Asia...) are coming here on Mangago to rassemble and speak about this work, many after decided to buy the chapters and support her.
Many, by default of supporting her for financial struggles, does it by following her on social medias, speak about her work etc... A penniless fan is not less a fan.
I remember one of my contacts here, fellow fan of potn, saying to me how she's penniless and follow BD on Twitter, but whenever she goes there she would feel uncomfortable because everybody then would talk bad about people who read on illegal sites. Is it her fault for being poor, for being a poor student, or too young...?

It's not because a moron; some ill-intentioned troll, reads her work on Mangago and make it sound bad that everyone of these sites are bad persons. BD was furious and it's understandable, but talking like if these sites alongside the audience here (her audience) is garbage... :/ This site which by all evidence contribute to her success...
I will drop this manhwa for the moment, and maybe come later later to know what's happened. I'll see... For now the story is not progressing much btw.
Instead of spending my time to rise the popularity of other artists, I should work on my art. You were always sweet and friendly to me, thank you.

I thought I would get major hate for what I said lol. I've seen and went with piracy almost my whole life, sudden yellow flags don't move me anymore. My country being in top 10 for it doesn't help ether XD

Only the artists who work in actual companies benefit the least from piracy. Unknown ones from non-english countries ? They do. I also noticed a lot of english speakers on her twitter. I know Lezhin also has an English translated works but how does one even come across Lezhin. Webtoons are Asain oriented compared to western Webcomics. Plus a lot of Webcomic sites are actually free to view, with a patreon or similar for donations ( I like this method better than Lezhin tbh). Also isn't the raw site, Toonkor a way to support her?

I agree what you said in your previous discussions, especially as an artist. I on the other hand plan on being ether a game designer or developer. If I go with indie genre, I lowkey hope people share it even on illegal sites. Since that nets you people who will give you money. Better that than none at all.

It's horrible that they treat other fans like that. As I said before. Not everyone can afford it and that IS a justifiable reason. Some parents would be furious if they knew their child bought something like this. Literally seen comments along the lines of 'my parents would beat me if I bought ___'. I sometimes feel proud as a pirate when I see those peacocks waving about what they have bought. I can't stand people who see themselves above others because they can afford something. It's just a shitty attitude and ignorance of other country economies....

I'm sad you'll be leaving. I feel like you are one of the only ones daring enough to discuss some harder topics. You don't seem blinded by emotions as some, I appreciate that. But I guess it will be nice to have the wait off your shoulders. I don't remember when was the last time I paid attention to weekly releases this much. I wish I could make myself take a timeout. . . .
Good luck with your future work. I'll continue being friendly, there are just several types of ppl this doesn't apply to

Sorryyyy, did not mean to downvote

If anyone's going to call u a hypocrite. Wtf r u doing on this site??? None of these mangas free. Leave this site and syaty purchasing things if ur so against it. Not all of us can afford it.

I do agree they are being a hypocrite lol but at the same time they are stating hard core facts ngl.

surrrre, that's the reason... if people need to discuss why not do it at the original site?
Every comic here is uploaded from another site, there's no reason to be here if people don't approve.

Oh my goddddd this is TEAAAAAAA i really hope you're right about the author's bluff though ): it'd be a shame if she dropped it

There is no discussion section on the original site so it's impossible to discuss it there.

Ok, but honestly, my point is, it's kind of a lame excuse. People who don't approve of pirated works shouldn't be on Mangago. That's what this site does. Being here to discuss? Are you telling me those people aren't reading also? I don't believe it.

There's a difference between saying not being able to afford it is not an excuse to pirate and being against pirating in general.
The person you responded to even said "If you're not gonna pay, whatever,", they just had a problem with making excuses for it.
Saying you're being too poor to afford it is no excuse. If you can't afford it then you either shouldn't read it or just admit that what you're doing is wrong and move on.
Not having enough money for something doesn't make stealing it okay.

You do know you are particularly supporting piracy by just being here. Mangago wouldn't be here if not for the people visiting. You are in a liar of pirates, you are talking to walls here. The wast majority didn't come here from already bought chapters of any work, they came here because there's no payment wall. There's no payment wall for a lot of webcomics ether, just donation links. That's in my opinion better than a shitty company like Lezhin.
Go and make your own subreddit and enjoy the legal way of discussing the toon. The rest of us will stick with Mangago and toonkor

Who are you talking to?

In this reply section. Two people. And it's pretty obvious

No it's not because you completely misunderstood what was said and I honestly don't know why it's so hard for people to grasp that very simple message.
Not having money to buy something is not a legitimate reason to steal. You can still pirate if you want to but stop using it as some kind of justification to steal. Our world doesn't work like this. Nobody here is having a problem with people pirating, but constantly using the same excuse to make it look like what we're doing here is perfectly fine is getting old and annoying.
And don't complain about shitty webtoon publishers while simultaneously praising a method that would make almost it impossible to earn enough money with drawing webtoons for many authors. Patreon donations are a good way of earning a living for some authors, but for most, especially those who don't draw NSFW comics, it would either mean the end of their career or simply more work combined with a less stable income.

I've not seen anyone saying they can't pay because they don't have the money during my whole read of this. These came up the moment some started butting in this topic. No one was making up reasons as they came to read, people occasionally said they bought the whole/chapter of PoN and no drama whatsoever. And how is it not a justifiable reason? Some are years away from having their own way of paying for the stuff they like. Not paying now doesn't mean they won't do so in the future. Sorry if I don't have such high morale, but not everyone is on the same economic stand like you. Some excuses don't change is because they aren't an excuse, it's the actual reason why they can't get a hold of the toon or anything like it.

No problem with the pirates? Not since this latest flare, I've seen this comment section trough. Pirates are the reason why works like these have so many western followers (also from Africa). They also net additional people who WILL pay, so BD hating on illegal sharing is rather funny. If not for piracy I can safely say I probably would never get in touch with ether subbed anime/manga/such. Even for stuff I actually paid, I might have never known it if I hadn't pirated it first.

No I won't stop praising that method. I've not liked Lezhin for years, and I have 0 will to even go on their site/app ever again. Artists already called them out that they aren't earning much via it. With patreon artist can get a much bigger fraction of the viewers/donners. I also don't see why artists can't get money per click, webcomics use this method. No paywall at all, donations are open for extra cash, everyone is happy. But Lezhin would be at the loss ofc, and that can't happen, can it...

Nothing makes stealing ok, if we want to get real here. It doesn't make sense for anyone to be able to tell others which reasons are ok to read these pirated works or not, nor what they must do to read them, like 'admit it'.. Also, the whole quote was " If you're not gonna pay, whatever, but there's no justification for reading and not payin.." So my point remains, everyone here on this site is reading pirated works.. If there are those that strongly oppose it, why are they on this site? To discuss? I don't believe anyone discusses and never reads anything on this site.

Wait, so you're not upset they are reading pirated material, but that they say they don't have money? Illogical..

Art style improvements always happen, I think it’s better now tbh :D

he never wanted a family though, he wanted to mass around and abuse XXC cause he see it has fun.

Says the person who thinks being an orphan on the streets is better than being in a brother with a mum.....sure, I believe you 1000%

yap now you are really dumb if you think so. I never said it, been an orphan or not been an orphan have nothing to do with massacre and abuse but I"m not. that's all it is really.

' I"m not even talking about Jin Guangyao's childhood that again is much worse then XY by miles away.'
JGY's childhood = at a brothel with his mother. XY's childhood=on the streets getting beaten up and losing a finger for wanting food.
His childhood has everything to do with the massacre and his behaviour. That's nurture.

The development here is subtul, that's why it wasn't obvious for certains to see it. Knowing the personality of Seungho and his lust for sex, the guy needed to get his dose of daily sekse and went to an orgy party (or brothel?), surely also to keep a bit of distance with what happened with Nakyum and clarify his mind, but he rapidly left the orgy.

Did he have sex with one or few of the fuckboys? It's hard to tell he wasn't cause his dick is out, but then contrary to his usual self he's not active at all, he's not hard. He seemed lost in his thoughts, bored, and when the dudes spoke about how pretty is his painter, Seungho got annoyed and left.
He is slowly changing though he's not aware about it himself.

This transition was not obvious but fits Seunghoe's character and the plot. To put simply, a sudden change of personality or interest for such extrem character as the Lord's after this episode would look not credible (and even bad writing), and this, Author-Nim knows it well. It will surely be like this for few more coming chapters before Yoon become aware that his attention and possessiveveness towards Nak is more than of a master-servant, and maybe few more to full y accept it... We'll need to be patient...

I was super disappointed too by this chapter, but discussing with other nice readers really help to understand better the plot.

Nakyum is doing concessions and compromissions but his character development is still lagging behind (the Lord's). He's too passive and I hope he'll rebel against this situation or be confronted to an event enough big that'll make him grow as character.

I went back and read from the first chapter and it is very subtle but it's great that way.

Exactly! The change is very subtle and I really like it. A lot of sames go through 'shock therapy' change, very sudden, but this guy is gradually changing so much that it's almost hard to notice a difference. Yet when we go to chap no.1 and latest one, we can see that it DID happen. I'm in a love-hate relationship with these slow burns, I wish the author could drop a novel. I would read it asap XD
I was also wondering if he participated. He did stood up on Jiwha (??) when he couldn't get it up, so the probability is that he did engage. But it's so opposite of his libido with NK. He literally fucked him all day and night, and with these dudes I'm guessing it didn't go for long.
I hope what happens in chap33 will be another lesson for the Lord. He did take notes to finger him from the last time, he should take notes again.
I wonder if he will be the one to open NK's eyes to Inhun's bs. I really want to know what the author will do with him and if Jiwha will reappear with some sort of revenge.

they are actually quite common tho....

idk why they made such a bid deal. then again,japaese thincking is quite different to the europan/american one, so maybe it has a bad connotation there

How would one even know it's common? I don't remember them in porn (but I might be wrong since I hate breasts). But regardless this topic is old for me. I think my fuss was about the fact that when searching the term it usually goes with 'surgery'. How can one not get even a little freaked by that.
Thankfully only mums look that up

umm....ok.

Im not a mother, (im still pretty young), but i searched it up after a biology class about cancer.

some family members had it, and since its hereditary, i was scared i could get it too, so I searched for signs and symptoms about anything that could prove i had it.


You literally just need to search "inverted nipple percentage" and an article apears about it.

Ikr! The audacity of some people. They think they act "righteous" when all they're doing are bullying REAL people over some FICTIONAL ships. Now I hope EXR doesn't delete the novel translation too.

Shittte I hope they don't. It's my favourite translation group by far, I love their comments at the end of each chapter. The little bit with xuexiao really reminded me of the novel (tho I hate it now since it caused this mess).
I actually find this situation kinda similar to WWX's. He did selfless things only to be scorned by the 'righteous' cultivators, who were the ones who actually did evil.