I’m so over Yohan’s character like there is absolutely no redeeming qualities whatsoever, especially when he literally ASSAULTED Jun and then isolated him from everyone. As a writer and a human being I would tell anyone going through a situation like this to please do whatever you can do to distance yourself from whoever is treating you this way. You can’t change them and that shouldn’t be your job in the first place.
At first I thought this was an isekai type of story but then it turned out to be a memory issue, which is confusing to me because the title literally has reincarnation in it. I hope we could dive more into why the MC had the memory loss and the backstory behind him and his brother. Also I know this might be someone’s kink (not mines) but I wish we could have the brother existing in a different role.
Man this season went by in the blink of an eye I can’t believe it. I can’t wait for the drama and tension we’re gonna get in the next installment (๑•ㅂ•)و✧
After years of false promises I finally got the throuple of my dreams. I love it so much how you can tell they all care for each other while managing to figure out what their relationship looks like to them. All I can say is: “Can I have some more please.”
I’m loving how quickly yet seemlessly went went from strictly f buddies to maybe something more. I think that Haneul definitely has a way to go in terms of growing emotionally. Luckily that’s something I think that Geonwoo excels in (even though they love to call him an idiot.) Also yay we’re finally getting a real throuple!!
I was wishing we could get a longer version of this story while reading the three chapters and the author must have heard my prayers
I was trying to give this bl a chance but the bodily harm and refusal of boundaries is veering too far into r@pe and abuse. Idk what do you guys think?
Don’t like, don’t read
Don’t be a dick. Most bls have rape and themes of abuse but this is beyond normal, it honestly grotesque. The panel with the hickeys nearly made me sick
It’s literally SADISM AND MASOCHISM. it’s not being a dick the og person is kinkshaming
don't like, don't read. There's fluffy bl out there
Shounen ai you might like instead
S&M requires CONSENT and safe words. It’s a kink that requires trust otherwise it’s just rape and sexual assault which is what we’re seeing here. This is just the authors fucked up ploy to live out a rape and abuse fantasy.
ShOuNeN aI yOu MiGhT LiKe InStEaD Bitch please
You definitely are NOT kinkshaming. As someone in that scene, many people seem to not know what a sadomaso relationship should look like and it shows. There needs to be a talk, A safe word, an enthusiastic "Yes" regarding what is okay and what the limits are, etc. This manhwa is exactly what it looks like, the rape/assault/abuse/bullying=love trope. To those upset at someone stating the truth, just continue to read it as you like.
I think the same. It is not bdsm but some people like extreme abuse like this but just don't want to admit it. But let's be real and not call this bdsm. It already gets a bad rep. This man is creating trauma and the author will just go "He liked it the whole time teehee." He can like it but it doesn't have to be like this. This is a different kink.
Yes this! Exactly this! "Rape and abuse fantasy" is what it's called. Like biastophilia or something. Even CNC in BDSM is consensual and talked through.
Perioddddd I love to see another educated queen out here!!! Honestly we are in the trenches with so many gooners bending over backwards to defend works like this. People have become sooooo desensitised to rape and abuse storylines they don’t even realise how harmful and disrespectful story’s like this are to real life people and victims :(
wow, no need to be aggro. i was being genuine. if u srs dont like this stuff, just dont read it. a lot of ppl seem to consider fictional characters as real when theyre not - theyre just fiction. like yeah, this manhwa is problematic, but its literally not hurting anyone in any way. its not like real porn where sex/human trafficking occurs. i dont get ppl like u who promote censorship just bc u dont like smth, let ppl create and enjoy what they want even if it is problematic; as long as its not hurting anyone real, why r u getting so worked up abt it?
shounen ai is also a subgenre of yaoi thats specifically meant for more romantic fluffy stuff rather than smut and porn like this manhwa, which is why i recommended it since ive seen a lot of complaints on here abt how ppl dont like the toxic yaoi and stuff, i thought maybe u didnt know a subgenre specifically for fluffy bl already existed, so i was srs being genuine abt it, but u didnt have to be so rude yknow
i dont really get what u mean by how "harmful" this is. like yeah im what u would call a "gooner" apparently, im def messed up in the head, but... how is this hurting anyone exactly? its not like real porn where victims are actually being abused and such. like yeah the author is prob messed up too, but ppl have their own free will as long as it does encroach on other ppls free will, and this manhwa isnt actually hurting anyone in real life. the ppl who are spreading misinfo abt s&m arent this manhwa, it doesnt even say its bdsm or whatever, its other ppl, so why r u attacking ppl who just want to enjoy what they like?
like i get its def toxic and such, and i think its ok to call out the toxic stuff in manhwa, but why attack the ppl who enjoy it and create it? theres warning that tell u that its dark and toxic, so to me its like u read those warnings and decided u wanted to be triggered anyways. theres no need to censor fictional stuff just bc the story is problematic, and why r u shaming ppl who like this? u dont need to purify everything, some stuff r meant for a different audience, like if ur gonna critique a bl, dont attack real ppl over it.
Girl not you trying to bring logic into a FICTIONAL thing. If you don’t like it dont read it. The uke Loterally loves it because they both have fucked up tendencies
Tf are fictional stories absolved of criticism and accountability?? You’re the one who brought up S&M first so don’t use the term if it doesn’t qualify. If believing the ukes likes being abused makes this digestible for you, then by all means continue reading it but there’s a reason so many people are finding fault with this webtoon compared to other stories with non-con and sexual assault like low tide.
First of all, your “if you don’t like it, don’t read it” comment was very patronising to the initial commenter who was just trying get a feel for people’s opinions on this webtoon and wasn’t being offensive, hence my reply of don’t be a dick. Be whatever you’re into, but even in fictional media there are lines and for a lot of people the authors depiction of this relationship is crossing it hence why so many have issues compared to other webtoons where there’s rape and SA. I just hate people trying to push down on others for not enjoying extreme abuse like asphyxiation and anal bleeding. I’m not saying you’re not entitled to enjoy these webtoons but why can’t we be more open to the fact that other people don’t like them and find fault with them instead of trying to silence them and push them out of the yaoi genre. And yeah I like shounen ai but god forbid I want to read a webtoon with two men have consensual sex?! And it seems like it’s getting harder and harder to find these days.
If you don’t like it just don’t read. Simple as that. You lot argue about every single thing that doesn’t please you. If you don’t like it dont force others to not like it either. Drop it yourself. You can bery clearly see the uke liking and wanting more hes dumb af if he can’t leave and clearly doesnt want to oh lord
If you like onions but I complain and blabber on how I hate onions and how they shouldn’t even be cooked or be an ingredient even tho I myself can choose anything other than something having onions. And you advice me to get something that doesn’t have onions and not take the same dish as you rather than complain and I refuse and say shit on the same topic will piss you off too.
I read the whole entire conversation and I gotta say, it IS a fictional reading. Truthfully if you don't like the reading, you're able to leave a review saying you don't like it, but at the same time, it DOES state that it's NOT really a classic "consentual" manhwa... like there are much worse readings out there and not only that, just stop reading it, look for ones that DO have consent and smut, although us other readers don't mind this reading and some actual DO wanna read this. I personally love BDSM and other readings, but you shouldn't force it down people's throat that it's garbage for the reading saying what it is. I just feel that people a lot of times complain about so many things if it's not to their liking for one reason or another and just for some reason DON'T drop it. It's called reading and free will for a reason, different books for different folks. For me personally I REALLY can't stand Shonen AI due to how if there isn't any smut I just get disappointed, I genuinely rather there be smut than "the next morning" that's just me. Again, everyone has their own taste, so if you truthfully want more consentual readings, look at reviews, lists or pages where they do have consentual smut. If you really love it, Our Sunny Days and that author which is my fav tends to make all their stories amazing and consensual, so maybe do check that out, but in general many of us want to read this one way or another, rape ofc isn't human or shouldn't be the norm in BL, but at the same time authors have free will, and stop trying to make logic out of a fictional book and look elsewhere for what you want to read. When reading especially I tend to separate fiction from reality, I read to enjoy things and relax after real life, if its making you stressed, read something you WILL enjoy, thank you <33
I don't understand why you perceived my comment to be very patronizing towards the original commentor. They said that they didn't like the dark themes of this manhwa, so I gave them advice - if you don't like it, just stop reading it. I didn't insult them by calling them a dick or a bitch.
What lines do you mean? Morality? Legality? Why specifically this manhwa? There are many manhwas out there that have similar themes, so why is this one worse than the others? In my opinion, fiction is just fiction. It's just that. It's not real and it doesn't actually hurt anyone in real life. Yes, it may be triggering for some people, but that's why dark manhwas have warnings telling you what you're getting into. It's up to you to decide whether to read it or not; no one is forcing you to.
I'm not hating on anyone for not enjoying this manhwa or for not enjoying dark themes. I understand that it can be triggering for some people, which is why I told the original commentor to simply not read it if they don't like it. I'm also not saying that the dark themes in this manhwa - or any dark bl - are okay. I'm not normalizing them by saying it's a healthy relationship or that it's completely consensual. I know it's toxic, full of abuse, and nonconsensual. That's why I enjoy it, but I don't expect anyone else to enjoy these kind of things because of how twisted it can be. I think there are definitely faults to be found with this manhwa, but there's also a fine line between actually critiquing something and just insulting it. Yes, it's definitely dark and toxic, but saying a story is "harmful" and "disrespectful"... Are you critiquing it or just straight up saying it shouldn't exist and be censored for the good of the general public???
I do agree that there a lot more yaoi that are toxic than not, but you can't control what artists/authors decide to create. If you really don't like it, why don't you just create yaoi of your own that's not toxic instead? I mean this quite genuinely. I don't understand what the point of complaining about toxic yaoi, because yes, toxic yaoi shouldn't be normalized, but at the same time, if you don't like what ppl are creating, then just create something yourself that suits your tastes. I write fanfictions all the time because some of the fandoms I'm in don't have a lot of ppl involved so I have to create my own.
Worded it perfectly
TL;DR: I know I basically wrote an essay, so if you're too angry to read it, I'll just summarize it here - I wasn't trying to be a dick. I didn't insult the OP. I just simply told them that if they didn't like it, just stop reading it. Maybe I should've elaborated more? I'm not saying toxic yaoi is okay, nor am I trying to normalize it. I know it's problematic, but at the end of the day, it's just fiction. It's doesn't actually hurt anyone in real life. Yes, it has triggering themes, but that's why there are warnings to let you know what you're getting into. I agree that there's a lot of toxic yaoi out there, but you can't control what artists/authors want to create. If you really hate it that much, just create your own - and I mean this genuinely. I do something similar as a fanfiction writer of a small fandom, I have to create my own stuff to enjoy.
Damn I really got y’all heated about this one. But sorry I ain’t reading all that
Nobody is telling you to read
Lei said “don’t like, don’t read”. You go out saying “don’t be a dick?”
It was simple as that. LOL
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Does anyone care.
I’m excited to start the series again, but does anyone else feel like Kyungtae did a full 180? Like, I get he wants to keep Chansol safe now that he knows he’s an omega, but if he isn’t showing any signs of discomfort why keep him under lock and key? Also I want more Chansol + little brother moments (ˊ ³ ˋ)
JUST ONCE I would like to enjoy a steamy BL without the romanticism of r@pe. Like we’re beyond tired at this point (╯°Д °)╯╧╧
I just came back to BL after being scarred by so many normalizations of r@pe and I’m so happy that I stumbled on this hidden gem. Both characters are so well written, I keep finding myself wanting to learn more about the ML’s backstory and his relationship with his brother. And the MC is so refreshing with having struggles both internal and physical. I hope this series continues to do well.