Well, especially Ch.4 hit me really hard, I mean I keep asking myself why many authors, writers and mangakas used RAPE as a plot devices, rape is rape even it happens with a man. It's not okay and never will be. No offend, but this kind of rape plot rarely shown in shoujo and josei manga (not sure about shoujo ai though) where female was an MC, they know it'll making their target reader mad and upset yet why don't they treat yaoi the same, yaoi majority readers are also women as well.
I am so sick of this type of story, hope they stop and come to their sense soon. It's really uncomfortable for me what I read the part where Uke got rape from 2 guys, what even worse and sadder were how his ex treated him and cruelty spilt thing like "Nonconsensual rape" what was that???? And not to mention you leave him to marry a girl for crying out loud. orz (╬￣皿￣)凸
I'd argue that this is probably one of the """"better"""" uses of the rape plot. At least it's not romanticized in this one. Usually in these types of stories, the uke ends up getting together with the person who raped them. I'm at least glad that isn't the case here. Although, my personal favorite author who uses the rape device is Harada - she draws rape scenes a LOT, but they're 100% ALWAYS treated like a crime. Sometimes it feels like she's the only artist who realizes how big of a crime rape is. :V
Some of it has a lot to do with cultural differences. If I'm not mistaken, the laws in Japan specifically define rape as being between a man and woman only. It's a crappy outdated law that should be revised, but the general consensus states that a man cannot actually rape another man (even if everyone knows that isn't true). Another reason is because it gets a reaction from the reader. It doesn't actually matter if the reader gets angry or has a favorable view of the plot line as long as it manages to make the reader feel some kind of emotion. Think about it. The worst stories you've probably ever read left you feeling nothing, and you probably can't really remember anything about them. Even if it's because the story made you mad, it was memorable.
I'd argue that this is probably one of the """"better"""" uses of the rape plot. At least it's not romanticized in this one. Usually in these types of stories, the uke ends up getting together with the person w... Pokemonique
On point. I'd rather read rape used like this than the victim falling for his rapist. And being complete strangers to begin with. Ever since I opened a series and read how stupid it is, I was traumatized. I never thought that such plots existed. Being sex friends is fine but fall in love? Get out. So definitely, this manga is better.
Some of it has a lot to do with cultural differences. If I'm not mistaken, the laws in Japan specifically define rape as being between a man and woman only. It's a crappy outdated law that should be revised, bu... nicadareas
"If I'm not mistaken, the laws in Japan specifically define rape as being between a man and woman only" What??!! I know Japan is backward in many matters but i'd never imagine that far. (Sorry, if you are japanese and reading this, hehe.) I suppossing here but I think that sometimes when a author in Japan wants to treat in a serious way a matter like rape, prostitution, sex... they resort to a male figure as substitute of the female because for them could be a taboo, maybe? and for them, well and for many other cultures too, rape a man is less grave.So they end up dont give it the importance that requires as in this manga. Well, I read so many times when a character get assaulted in some way "Im not a girl" They make so many diferences between men and women, the way the talk, behave, think, live.
I agree completely with you, I'm tired to find this kind of twist even in manga where I don't expect this, 'cause I always try to avoid it, and it was all going well and then was introduced the ex and I continued even if I could imagine where the plot was going but after the two guys scene... I'm out, it's disgusting. I don't find any joy or pleasure in reading this kind of shit, why mangakas don't understand that this is really unnecessary... You can write a good story even without rape.
"If I'm not mistaken, the laws in Japan specifically define rape as being between a man and woman only" What??!! I know Japan is backward in many matters but i'd never imagine that far. (Sorry, if you are japan... annabis
No offense taken. I'm not Japanese, so you don't have to worry about that. That's the main reason I worded my comment with "if I'm not mistaken" and "I think". Since I'm not from Japan, I honestly can't say for sure if I'm right or not. Also, it may be that the laws have changed. I definitely don't agree with it, but I still tend to chalk most of these things up to cultural differences. I don't buy into ethnocentrism, so it makes it much easier to accept things I don't like or agree with in stories at face value and move on. Everyone has their own likes and dislikes when stories are involved from settings to plot details to even character design. I don't try to tell someone what they should like or not like; I was merely trying to give a possible reason mangakas use rape as a plot device so often. I could be totally off the mark, but it does make it easier for me to overlook the obvious contrivances.
No offense taken. I'm not Japanese, so you don't have to worry about that. That's the main reason I worded my comment with "if I'm not mistaken" and "I think". Since I'm not from Japan, I honestly can't say for... nicadareas
Yeah. Since I realize from reading manga that there was so many cultural differences in things that I though was common in all advances countries like Japan, I always try to read this stories from his perspective but its hard to me, it doesn make it easy on the contrary it make me mad, when it involves matters like rape. However, I think Japan would progress in those things in the next decades because if I look back at the past of my country fourty years we were the same here in many matters, so maybe its not cultural differences but a difference pace in social progress. I wasnt assuming you were japanese, when I said "if you are japanese..." I was talking in general whoever would real my comment. My english is bad so I express very bad my ideas and I lost things when I read sometimes. Im not sure if you take it like I was being ironic or sarcastic but it wasnt it. Just in case, sorry.
Yeah. Since I realize from reading manga that there was so many cultural differences in things that I though was common in all advances countries like Japan, I always try to read this stories from his perspecti... annabis
You could be right about the difference in social pace. I haven't really thought about it. I realized you meant that in general, but I chose to answer specifically that there wasn't anything you said that offended me. Although, it takes a lot to offend me, so I don't know how much of a comfort it was. Your English is very good. Honestly, I didn't even notice that English wasn't your native language when reading your posts. You write much better than a lot of people I know personally here in the U.S.
You could be right about the difference in social pace. I haven't really thought about it. I realized you meant that in general, but I chose to answer specifically that there wasn't anything you said that offen... nicadareas
Oh, Ok, I get it. And thank you, now Im more more motivated to keep on learning english but I have to give credits to wordreference for it. ;/
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Well, especially Ch.4 hit me really hard, I mean I keep asking myself why many authors, writers and mangakas used RAPE as a plot devices, rape is rape even it happens with a man. It's not okay and never will be. No offend, but this kind of rape plot rarely shown in shoujo and josei manga (not sure about shoujo ai though) where female was an MC, they know it'll making their target reader mad and upset yet why don't they treat yaoi the same, yaoi majority readers are also women as well.
I am so sick of this type of story, hope they stop and come to their sense soon. It's really uncomfortable for me what I read the part where Uke got rape from 2 guys, what even worse and sadder were how his ex treated him and cruelty spilt thing like "Nonconsensual rape" what was that???? And not to mention you leave him to marry a girl for crying out loud. orz (╬￣皿￣)凸
I hope Ukekun will find his own happiness soon.
Then you can make your own story, you complain a lot
I'd argue that this is probably one of the """"better"""" uses of the rape plot. At least it's not romanticized in this one. Usually in these types of stories, the uke ends up getting together with the person who raped them. I'm at least glad that isn't the case here. Although, my personal favorite author who uses the rape device is Harada - she draws rape scenes a LOT, but they're 100% ALWAYS treated like a crime. Sometimes it feels like she's the only artist who realizes how big of a crime rape is. :V
Some of it has a lot to do with cultural differences. If I'm not mistaken, the laws in Japan specifically define rape as being between a man and woman only. It's a crappy outdated law that should be revised, but the general consensus states that a man cannot actually rape another man (even if everyone knows that isn't true). Another reason is because it gets a reaction from the reader. It doesn't actually matter if the reader gets angry or has a favorable view of the plot line as long as it manages to make the reader feel some kind of emotion. Think about it. The worst stories you've probably ever read left you feeling nothing, and you probably can't really remember anything about them. Even if it's because the story made you mad, it was memorable.
On point. I'd rather read rape used like this than the victim falling for his rapist. And being complete strangers to begin with. Ever since I opened a series and read how stupid it is, I was traumatized. I never thought that such plots existed. Being sex friends is fine but fall in love? Get out. So definitely, this manga is better.
"If I'm not mistaken, the laws in Japan specifically define rape as being between a man and woman only" What??!! I know Japan is backward in many matters but i'd never imagine that far. (Sorry, if you are japanese and reading this, hehe.)
I suppossing here but I think that sometimes when a author in Japan wants to treat in a serious way a matter like rape, prostitution, sex... they resort to a male figure as substitute of the female because for them could be a taboo, maybe? and for them, well and for many other cultures too, rape a man is less grave.So they end up dont give it the importance that requires as in this manga. Well, I read so many times when a character get assaulted in some way "Im not a girl" They make so many diferences between men and women, the way the talk, behave, think, live.
I agree completely with you, I'm tired to find this kind of twist even in manga where I don't expect this, 'cause I always try to avoid it, and it was all going well and then was introduced the ex and I continued even if I could imagine where the plot was going but after the two guys scene... I'm out, it's disgusting. I don't find any joy or pleasure in reading this kind of shit, why mangakas don't understand that this is really unnecessary... You can write a good story even without rape.
No offense taken. I'm not Japanese, so you don't have to worry about that. That's the main reason I worded my comment with "if I'm not mistaken" and "I think". Since I'm not from Japan, I honestly can't say for sure if I'm right or not. Also, it may be that the laws have changed. I definitely don't agree with it, but I still tend to chalk most of these things up to cultural differences. I don't buy into ethnocentrism, so it makes it much easier to accept things I don't like or agree with in stories at face value and move on. Everyone has their own likes and dislikes when stories are involved from settings to plot details to even character design. I don't try to tell someone what they should like or not like; I was merely trying to give a possible reason mangakas use rape as a plot device so often. I could be totally off the mark, but it does make it easier for me to overlook the obvious contrivances.
Yeah. Since I realize from reading manga that there was so many cultural differences in things that I though was common in all advances countries like Japan, I always try to read this stories from his perspective but its hard to me, it doesn make it easy on the contrary it make me mad, when it involves matters like rape. However, I think Japan would progress in those things in the next decades because if I look back at the past of my country fourty years we were the same here in many matters, so maybe its not cultural differences but a difference pace in social progress.
I wasnt assuming you were japanese, when I said "if you are japanese..." I was talking in general whoever would real my comment. My english is bad so I express very bad my ideas and I lost things when I read sometimes. Im not sure if you take it like I was being ironic or sarcastic but it wasnt it. Just in case, sorry.
You could be right about the difference in social pace. I haven't really thought about it. I realized you meant that in general, but I chose to answer specifically that there wasn't anything you said that offended me. Although, it takes a lot to offend me, so I don't know how much of a comfort it was. Your English is very good. Honestly, I didn't even notice that English wasn't your native language when reading your posts. You write much better than a lot of people I know personally here in the U.S.
Oh, Ok, I get it. And thank you, now Im more more motivated to keep on learning english but I have to give credits to wordreference for it. ;/