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Well...it is kinda true the pacing is a bit slow at the beginning. The reveal will probably be at 100-110 chapters by the pace it's going. But it does get quite interesting. You'll basically have one incident after another from like..60 chap onwards. And it's also true the librarification skill and most of her current powers come from the constellation:') but originally...she was truly genius and amazing. In her past lives, if I'm not wrong..she managed to do great stuff even without getting powers directly from him. It's basically her fate too. Anyways, don't mind this too much. She's badass and strong, (her personality was a bit twisted tho, but there's a reason for that too) and you'll certainly love her when you see more of the plot(~‾▿‾)~

oooo im looking forward to it! thanks for the reassurance

Um, ok but the secretary definitely meant to, he left a spiked drink out, hoping to use it on MC JUST because MC skipped a meal with him. Not to mention he already tried to rape him prior.

heavily agree with ur first statement !! viewing the entire story from only one lens is like missing out on the full story

exactly lol, there’s no such thing as didn’t ‘meant to’ in rape, it’s not the same thing as bumping into someone accidentally, or wtvr. is this people reading the story?

I was so confused when I read that like GIRL...

Hi!! Before anything, I would like to clarify that I do like the ml, and I am NOT defending the secretary.

I said that he knew that the secretary didn't mean to, but I wasn't clear with my statement. I meant that the secretary didn't mean to drug him. The story is also pretty gray and not just black and white so I also believe that he didn't mean to actually rape him. There is a thin line between wanting to rape him and being swallowed by the pheromones of the person you love and giving into lust. Both are still rape, but I said that in order to defend the mc. People are pretty mad that the mc forgave the secretary and kicked the ml out. I am just here to defend the mc. No he did not forgive the secretary, but he did give him mercy because he knew that the secretary did not mean to because he showed remorse. He also knows that the secretary could've tried harder to hold himself back to prevent the situation from happening but didn't hence the lack of forgiveness.

When the secretary drugged the water, he had an internal debate and was about to throw it away. He was unaware that the mc was going to come in at that exact moment. And maybe because he's his secretary, or maybe because of plot, but the mc took the water and drank it. The secretary did try to warn him and stop him, but was far too late.

See the thing is if you want to defend the MC it's fine, that's just your opinion but please don't use that rape incident to defend him. The moment that secretary decided to drug the water he FAILED it really doesn't matter if he had a debate or not and also we all saw in the previous chapter that an alpha CAN control themselves no matter how much of the pheromones they're exposed to if they wanted to but he didn't even when mc was begging him. HE RAPED HIM ' MEANT TO OR NOT MEANT TO' THATS STILL RAPE. You say u are not defending the secretary but that last part does looks like you are! You can think about it from a real life incident too, woman getting raped by his drunk friend and then after coming to his senses he's saying that I didn't meant to and that just because I liked you and showing some remorse? that's just weird af.

That's not what I meant at all. I know it's rape. And it's horrible, I know. I am not just solely using that incident to defend him. I am defending his reason for showing mercy. Everyone is blatantly hating on the mc for his decision. I am saying that the reason that the mc came to that decision is something I can understand once you take in all the factors. I personally cannot hate on the mc for the action he took since he made that decision after taking everything into consideration. I have also stated that I don't like how he concluded things and I do believe that he should've treated the ml better, but, all things considered, I get why the mc did what he did and I will not blame him for it.

If I, a woman, got drugged by my closest male friend after I took the water that he he did not even offer me and then got raped by him, then I would absolutely be livid because why would you do that to your drugged friend? I'd take him to court. But If I were to be an omega who took a drugged water that was not even offered to me and then got raped by my most trusted friend simply because he could not control himself due to the pheromones I was exceeding, then I would still be mad. But knowing he had feelings for me and the fact that he did try to warn me and throw out the water but I, for some reason, still drank it, then I would simply end our friendship and never speak to him again, maybe throw in a few punches and cry my heart out. Considering everything he's ever done for me and all the variables leading to the situation. Of course, everyone acts differently and there are multiple factors that can change a situation

The only two reason I could make of from most of the comments as to why people are hating on mc is because A) He is a character who HATE alphas from the beginning and thinks all alpha's are the same but his reaction after getting raped by an ALPHA, his trusted secretary at that, there wasn't enough hate from his side. It actually doesn't make sense it feels like him hating on alpha's was for nothing.

B) His behaviour towards the ML. When ML came and got angry on his behalf he told him not to meddle which if you see from MC'S pov it wouldn't make such big of a deal because he thinks ML is not in any position to react for him like that but just once think from Ml's pov how hurt he must've been after seeing his loved one went through something like that and getting to hear something like that from him.

The moment you made an example of real life situation involved in a fiction is the moment you lost the plot. This is not real life, this is fiction. Situation and feelings in real life differ from fiction, this is poor writing and there’s no amount of justification should erase this.

Tf you mean he “didn’t mean to.” Bffr you don’t accidentally rape someone and didn’t mean to (╬￣皿￣)凸

I used to think the same that ml is dumb he should've explained properly but now I think even if he reminded him the promise or gave up the chairman position what are the odds that mc will all of sudden accept his feelings coz even if he did that wouldn't be fair to hyeondo, it'll be like he's only doing it for the sake of that promise

You're saying MC's judgment and actions towards the rapist, which abandoned pride, dignity, logic, premise, and even respect for the law, are considered logical, valid and make him look strong...? Are you serious??

What the effect does failing to even give appropriate punishment to a rapist, let alone even showing fuckin understanding and appeasing rapist Alpha, have on securing the chairman's seat…??? Is it because it completely insulted and disappointed ML, leading to him give up and abandoning his shares...?? Gimme a break...

If he hated ML so much and considered him nothing but a hindrance, why didn't he just get rid of him sooner? The issuance of the conditions for becoming chairman was something that came out of nowhere very recently. MC had over 10 years, yet he just kept ML as a convenient tool to relieve his heat without giving him a clear answer, and even after suddenly the conditions were issued by his father, he still didn't give ML answer at all and what is worse he started treat ML even more insanely horrible and always busy only caring his beloved ALPHA secretary instead, leaving him with no choice but to cling to the promise. It was definitely MC who brought all upon himself.

ML just didn't think MC'd forgotten the promise. Why are you blaming the person who remembered the truly precious promise to him and had no choice but to cling to that faint hope, instead of the person who drove him to that situation and not only forgot a promise but even every single word he said to ML while they spent together for about 15years??

And, if he hated and detested the rival company so much that he even saw being drugged and raped as an opportunity to use it, then why, despite being an Omega who supposedly "doesn't trust any of the Alphas," did he inexplicably trust the ALPHA son of the very company, of all people, and keep him by his side in such a fatal position as secretary?

Most importantly, how can someone who, despite being a CEO, lacks even a shred of an awareness of crisis or responsibility towards the company and his own or subordinate's actions be fit to be chairman????

There's absolutely no room for justification.

i did not say he looks strong or that it makes him look strong. i said he did not want to seem weak. i dont like how he handled the situation, but im saying that his reasons for handling that situation is valid considering how hard he's worked to get that far. mc is stubborn and does not like to rely on others so given that situation, i can see why he gave his secretary mercy.

okay i am being too harsh on the ml especially since he's a whole forest and you're right, the promise did mean a lot to him. i am just so sick of the misunderstanding and how him chasing after the chairman position in order to fulfill the promise makes the mc feel bad.

but the ml, being the person who knows the mc the most, should know how badly the mc wants this position. how badly the mc wants to prove to the others that he is not just some omega and he is more than capable of handling the company. also, I'd like to add how the clause that his father gave him was completely unfair to the mc and that no one truly knows how being an omega in that world actually affects the mc.

i forgot the details regarding to his relationship with the secretary, but i remember him pitying the secretary so he kept him, and the secretary has been amazing and has done nothing wrong up until this point so of course he would trust him.

the secretary did not even want to drug the mc in the first place. in a blinded rage filled with jealousy and insecurity, he drugged the water, not knowing that the mc would come in soon after. and then, the mc decides to drink the water since he is his most trusted secretary. and as an alpha who lacks self control, his desires for the mc amplified his urges and he gave in to the phermones.

the secretary was absolutely wrong for what he did. but he was repentant and did not fight back when the mc beat him up cause he knew he was in the wrong. the mc fired him because it was an unforgivable thing to do, but he did not kill him as he was still someone who could be of use to him + someone who the mc cared for and trusted.

the mc does like the ml, but he doesn't want to get with him because he thinks that being the alpha, the ml will gain all of the support from others since the ml has shown desire to become chairman. but if he had told the mc that it was because of the promise, then the mc will see that he is not a threat to his position and tell him that he'll be with him even if he didn't become the chairman. or maybe he'll be fired up and start competing with him with no hard feelings

Thank you for being capable of understanding the MC’s pov and how these situations are not black and white. You’re one of the few people I see with these takes and the other comments are making me feel like we’re all reading a different story lol

People are bashing the mc because of his behavior towards hyeondo and the secretary how come he treat him poorly when he's showing genuine love but forgive his secretary after a few punches and even stopping the ml for getting angry on his behalf and also thinking of using that rape as an advantage to take down another company? Okay maybe that's just his take but still who would like to see their loved one do that? Mc being career driven is not the problem here.

I don’t think MC can see ML’s “genuine love” when ML willingly presents himself as MC’s greatest threat and competitor towards him fulfilling his dreams and is forcing him to become overworked and over exhausted because of it. He did not forgive the secretary, he fired him and basically told him he never wants to see him again. Contexts in situations matter. People’s intentions matter. The fact that the secretary didn’t MEAN to actually go through with it might have earned him some grace from the MC. Also MC is working to be a chairman, it’s not surprising that he’s been conditioned to calculate the risks and benefits of any given situation, even if that situation is his rape. The fact that he can calmly perceive how to benefit from a devastating situation that just happened to him shows strength. He stops ML from getting revenge because ML’s actions don’t match his words so he can’t trust ML because of it.
I think this is what I meant in that people can’t seem to understand from MC’s pov and doesn’t understand nuances in situations. They either simplify all the restricting circumstances mc is operating under or throw all nuances out the window and only look at things as black and white.

exactly. also the mc only recently found out that the ml's feelings for him were genuine and he did show remorse. he also doesn't want people fighting on his behalf because he thinks he is fully capable of doing so himself.

and it's not like he treated the ml badly anyway, he believed it was a friends with benefits situation and he does care for the ml deeply, just not as a lover (yet) so i dont get why people are saying he treats the ml badly when he has a complicated relationship with secondary genders, especially alphas, but alas still risked his life to save his friend years back.

Haha, your reply totally ignores the points I listed and doesn't even amount to a counter-argument.
Now I only understand one thing that you're nothing more than a sucker of MC and the secretary (two selfish scumbags who always only think about their own feeling or convenience) and a super blatant ML hater.

You distort perceptions to suit your own convenience in order to defend them, ignoring all inconvenient points and premises, shifting the topic, and spouting illogical nonsense. It perfectly reflects your reading style. No wonder you can't grasp things properly. And it's also clear that you're a child with no social experience, lacking even a sense of societal norms or ethics.

But I never expected you to start defending the RAPIST too lol
So that's your true nature behind your completely off-target claims. I figured now.

"The secretary did not even want to drug the mc in the first place"...? What kind of BS is that...?? Are you saying this was just an accident? It was unavoidable because he was in a rut state? Stop messing around.

Let me just say one thing. Did you skip the previous chapter? ML definitely proved that Alphas can control their impulses and desires, no matter how strong the heat pheromones they're exposed to and how much they're induced into a rut state.

It means that scumbag RAPIST ALPHA could have controlled himself, but he DIDN'T. He WILLINGLY clearly intended to ignore the MC's feelings, dignity, rejection, and Omega's suffering, raped and even ejaculated inside him.
(Including the previous attempted rape incident, I've never seen an Alpha in any other work, who is defended by readers with the excuse, "It couldn't be helped because he was in a rut", without this MFing secretary.)

At the beginning of the story, MC said "When an Alpha says 'I love you,' it means 'I want to fuck you,' so I never trust any Alphas," and he has equated ML with other Alphas, and has been insulting obvious genuine sincerity and affection as FAKE for OVER 10 YEARS, despite he had been expressing his feelings since EVEN BEFORE THEIR SECONDARY GENDER MANIFESTED and after that he even suggested 'pheromone therapy' which could control pheromones WITHOUT SEX to MC when he said "I'd rather die right now than be fucked by an Alpha I don't even love someday." and had sincerely supported him for years.

Yet MC dare to acknowledge the feelings or affection of MFing RAPIST ALPHA who says, "I love you, so I wanted to fuck you. So I drugged you, raped you and even ejaculating inside you. (Even though I could have restrained myself if I truly wanted, I ignored your feelings and dignity, and did all of it.)" as fuckin GENUINE.

There's nothing more pointless than wasting time on someone who doesn't even understand how extremely insane this is.
I can refute every single point, but I've already realized that doing so with you is nothing but super waste of time, and it's much better to post a comment as OP instead whether actually do or not.
Ha, it was truly a waste of time. Don't waste your time anymore too, I won't read anyway. And don't forget to block me. Bye.

Dude no one is defending the secretary. He's a fucking rapist obviously he's in the wrong and there's no coming back from that. He conveniently used the rut as a cover to rape MC, he's disgusting, no one is arguing otherwise. But let's not act like there's no difference between someone who maliciously planned to rape someone vs someone who created gray areas that could give them an out (like rape under drug/alcohol influences). They're both bad, but there is a difference between someone like Epstein vs a close friend who claimed they "accidentally" raped you while under the influence and confessed that they've been secretly been in love with you, and has helped you out and been your closest confidant for the past 5 years. One I'd send to the hottest level of hell, the other I would be severely disappointed and feel betrayed by, but I wouldn't think that he's deserving of death.

It's like some of you guys never lived a normal life I swear to god. Mc acknowledges secretary's feelings as genuine because he doesn't fucking care. It's like accepting a confession of love from a friend that you have absolutely zero interests in. "ok you love me, and?" there's no need to doubt "but is his love GENUINE?" because so what if it is? what if it isn't? you're not interested, the end. MC clearly had no interests in the secretary and his confession didn't change that. He has a hard time accepting ML because ML behaves in conflicting ways and ultimately, because he cares to know. You wouldn't waste your energy wondering if someone's feelings are genuine if you're not invested in THEM. Like I'd be pretty confused if someone I'm sleeping with professes love and adoration but then becomes my public enemy #1. Love doesn't come from words, it comes from actions and sacrifices. Anyone who's ever been in a relationship knows that sweet words and physical affections only get you so far, a good partner supports your dreams and goals and try to lighten your levels of stress and burden. I don't know why it's so hard to understand that the ML has not made a good case for himself in that regard and there's a plausible reason why MC does not trust ML wholeheartedly.

Let's also acknowledge that we readers see more perspectives than characters (obviously but people seem to forget that?) what we see as ML 'sincerely and genuinely supporting the MC for 10 years' is different from MC's actual experience of 'yes ML is really sweet to me and we have a deep history together, but why is he making life so difficult for me by fighting me for my life-long dream and everything I've painstakingly worked for my entire life? Why is he forcing me into this position where I'm overworked and fainting from exhaustion?' The bet doesn't even matter tbh, because it doesn't change the fact that ML CHOSE to sabotage the MC's dream and forced MC to be in this unfavorable position all for what HE wants and prioritizes (a relationship with MC). It makes him romantic sure, but it also makes him selfish and self-serving. It's honestly the type of relationship I'd wish on my worst enemies (call me a bad person for this one idc)

You can make the points you want but no need to be rude. Just shows that your talking points are more emotionally driven than logical.

ML did not chose to sabotage him that's literally MC's creation he created that situation for the ML. I saw chapter 35 spoilers and in that ML was confessing his love him in the past and he's was like that's just because of the pheromones and it'll fade with time. Then ML asked him ' WHAT DO I HAVE TO DO FOR YOU TO ACCEPT ME?' to which by the looks of of it he 'jokingly' said ' IF YOU BECOME THE CHAIRMAN THEN I'LL MEET YOU'. It's just, for him it was just a joke but ML took it seriously because he love him. So I don't see a point of called him selfish and self serving because that was his last hope to be with the MC.

Before anything else, I would like to ask why you are responding in such a rude manner to the point where you even insult me? I am merely stating my thoughts on the matter and not once did I try to belittle you.

You keep twisting my words and respond to me with harsh language. I am not defending the secretary, what he did was horrible and he lacked self control. I am defending the mc and the reason why he did what he did. I calmly explained the psychology of why the secretary did that and stated why because of that, the mc was merciful. I did not say all that stuff about the secretary to defend him, but in order to defend the mc.

I simply want to discuss the manhwa and broaden my horizons. As a defender of the mc, I want to know the details as to why people hate the mc and defend the ml. I do not hate the ml, I like the ml. I am just defending the mc because I think that the hate for him is unreasonable.

You are calling me a child who lacks the sense for societal norms, but what does that make you? Someone who insults a person who they think of as a child. This story is not normal for society at all. Not only is this a work of omegaverse, it is also placed in a mafia setting. So both their psychology and biology differs from us.

Summary:
1. I do not hate the ML
2. I am not defending the secretary
3. I simply want a proper and civilized discussion rather than you insulting me.
4. I am defending the MC

Thank you, all your points are 100% valid and I can tell that you are a perceptive person. Rather than mindlessly hating and blaming, we have to understand the history and the root where all of this is coming from. Why the mc acts this way, and why he did what he did.

I also agree that the other person is starting to get more emotionally driven and offended rather than being logical and collected. At the end of the day, this is a manhwa and we are talking about a work of fiction. No need to insult the other and respond with malice. I do apologize if I came off as rude in any of my previous replies as my only intention is to defend my opinions and why I said what I said. (Since people are replying to the topic I started, I must respond to their replies) I don't want to bring others down nor do I want to fight people.

Thank you for being with me on this, it's good to have someone who appreciates the depth of this story because this story isn't merely black and white.

Thank you, I also felt really alone when it seemed like no one else was capable of feeling empathy for the mc. I want to understand why people are so unforgiving and hateful towards the mc, but people become so emotional and quick to resort to personal attacks instead of presenting their points rationally that I'm starting to realize that this is a losing battle. If I didn't know the natural audience this genre draws, I would've thought that most commenters are incels, due to how detached they are from mc's struggles that echos what women also traditionally face (gender discrimination, pressure to respond to male pursuit, pregnancy being used against you in career progression, career ambition being undermined, pressure to be the perfect victim, etc)
I respect you for being able to stay so cordial and polite even amongst all the negativity and aggression :) I don't think you should feel the need to respond to all replies. Some people are not worth engaging with past a certain point and it's probably best for your mental health to not get sucked into the negativity. Because as strong and emotionally assured as I can tell you are as a person, other people's attacks and malice can really chip away at you and wear you down.
I'm glad to have stumbled on your post, it gives me hope that there are still nice and rational people in this community. Stay safe out here.

Thanks! You stay safe too.

I absolutely agree with how this is connected to the current struggles that women face. I wanted to make a comment on it, but I figured it would be too personal. I believe that omegaverse is deeply rooted in how misogyny and feminism works. I hate how people expect women to crumble and ask for help in the face of hardships. Or how women are expected to give up their dreams and careers for the sake of children or pleasing men. That's why I am particularly fond of the mc because I like how he's fighting against all odds and criticism and I hate the condition that was given to him in order to become chairman. It feels like his only purpose is to bear children (like what they expect of women.) Thanks for your insights!

Woah, I just checked the new topics on the manhwa, everyone is blaming the mc. blaming the rape victim. WTH??!? instead of collectively coming together to hate the rapist, they're hating on the victim. glad to see humanity has united to victim blame yet again! calling him the worst omega, reducing his character to merely an alpha hating omega. this is why we yaoi readers have a bad reputation because we can't fucking read XD