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TillyFlonka March 18, 2020 11:27 am

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TillyFlonka December 14, 2019 5:49 pm

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I noticed a tiny detail when rereading Chapter 29 (you can find the Korean chapter here on Lezhin -> https://www.lezhin.com/ko/comic/paintings ) that may or may not be of interest to others!

Just a brief summary for those who haven't read any spoilers yet: NaKyum runs into InHun - it seems they left the house separately after all - and starts begging him to run away with him, telling him that they're both in danger. InHun guides NaKyum to an empty alley to talk in private. After he hugs NaKyum to comfort/calm him, InHun basically tells NaKyum to butch up and paint for SeungHo, even if he's uncomfortable since he promised to help him (InHun, getting dirt on Seungho). NaKyum reluctantly follows him back.

There's a point when InHun is telling NaKyum to butch up and paint when he mentions that NaKyum is probably just uncomfortable & overreacting because Seungho made him watch perverted things, and comments something along the lines of, "It's not like he's doing anything to you... right?" What I noticed is that, while he's saying that line, it shows a zoomed in shot of him holding NaKyum by the shoulders/arms. There's a *super* faint, but seemingly deliberate, red mark visible on NaKyum's neck; a hickey. It then cuts to a close up of InHun's eyes as he's looking down at NaKyum, then shows his hand as he lets go of NaKyum. There's a pause in his sentence during these shots, noted with ellipses, before it shows InHun's face as he says, "right?" while wearing a super creepy expression. The second to last panel of the chapter shows NaKyum in profile, and the hickey is much more visible.

I find this detail interesting because, to me, *this* seems like the moment when InHun connects all of the dots. I don't think he actually knew Seungho had gotten physical with NaKyum yet until he noticed that hickey, and then you can see the gears start turning in his head as he realizes that he's finally gotten the dirt he wanted on Seungho. That side-eyed look he gives NaKyum as they're leaving is like he's knowingly leading a sheep to slaughter. No empathy whatsoever despite having realized exactly why NaKyum is desperate to escape.

One extra note: I keep seeing people call InHun a pedophile, and I think it's because no one's bothered to translate the first portion of the chapter in favor of focusing on his & NaKyum's interactions. Using my shitty camera translation app, I gathered that he's trying to get the man he's talking with to help him get more info on/spread rumors about Seungho (hard to tell exactly which with the app). My point is, he's not making creepy faces because he's leering sexually at the kid on his lap that he's presumably teaching. He's making creepy faces because he's conniving & planning to get his revenge against Seungho. He's a piece of shit, but I don't think the story's heading in that direction...

    MangaSanctuary December 14, 2019 10:16 pm

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    OMG, you're totally right; you've really looked at the details about that scene when he let go of NK because he'd noticed the red mark on NK's neck. We can almost feel the disgust emanate from himy. I always hated the condescending air of that fake asshole, but now he's even more disguting.
    He sees Nakyum crying with all his tears then just reject him with mockery, even when he can guess through which hell undergoes the young painter.
    Damn, to say Nakyum still sees him so highly despite the Sir showing such behavior emptied of any compassion...
    Damn, I'm praying for Nakyum to grow some brain regarding that dude before my hair turn white out of desperation.

    (╯°□°)╯✧゚・:* December 15, 2019 1:35 am

    Woah, great observation, thanks for sharing

    Anonymous December 15, 2019 6:43 am

    That is such amazing observation. Thank you! This author is so good, you have to notice the little details she put in their expressions.

    africanotaku December 15, 2019 4:35 pm

    Thank you for you analysis it made me understand the raw chapter more

TillyFlonka October 16, 2019 2:27 am

Thank you so, so very much to the uploaders for this gem! This is undoubtedly one of my favorite manga, so I'm glad that it's being translated/cleaned/etc... with such care. Plus, I super appreciate their presence in the comments section, adding in little bits of info here and there regarding upcoming chapters that help keep me hanging on in the interim
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TillyFlonka August 30, 2019 3:37 pm

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To start, I read Chapter 20 on the Korean Lezhin -> https://www.lezhin.com/ko/comic/paintings (Google has a decent camera translator app that I used to get the jist of what was said.)

To reiterate what has already been explained by others: Seungho returns Na-Kyum's kiss, aware that Nakyum has drunkenly mistaken him for In-Hun. Seungho pins Na-Kyum down, partially undresses him, and fingers him for a little bit before trying to put it in him. However, Na-Kyum cries and tells him that it's his first time and he's scared. He apologizes and asks Seungho (who he's shown to still be hallucinating as In-Hun) to slow down. Seungho, who seems genuinely surprised that Na-Kyum has never had sex despite painting such erotic pictures, expresses his annoyance - the face he makes at this point is hilarious - but relents. It cuts to both of them completely undressed, Seungho spooning Na-Kyum and fingering him from behind with a LOT of lube. He teases Na-Kyum, asking him how it feels, insisting that he can't "help" him if he doesn't tell him. Na-Kyum finally tells him that it "tickles inside", and the chapter ends with Seungho telling him that he'll help him.

One thing I didn't notice until I reread it for the ???th time is, early on in the chapter, after Seungho has pinned N-Kyum down and has been kissing him for a while, he turns and we see the servant (the one referred to as "Kim" in Chapter 17, and how I'm going to refer to him from now on) blushing and looking at them with obvious shock/horror. Seungho sends him away and continues. At first, I thought that Kim had simply stumbled across them, BUT I then noticed the lighting!!!

Kim is holding a lantern that casts a yellow light on everything. From the time that Seungho finds Na-Kyum until he sends Kim away, everything has the yellow tinge from the light Kim is holding. Kim didn't walk in on them, he witnessed EVERYTHING. He saw Na-Kyum drunkenly mistake Seungho for In-Hun and kiss him, and he saw Seungho respond and take advantage of the situation. This makes Seungho's reaction even more interesting to me, since it shows just how absorbed he was in the situation. He seemed to completely forget Kim was there watching until he started undressing, only sending him away as an after-thought.

The other thing that was interesting to me was how turned on Seungho seemed to be. For almost all of his past exploits, he's been shown to be pretty thorough with preparation/foreplay (the one exception being with Jihwa in Chapter 3 when he notes that he's still loose from the night before, so there's no need for preparation). It's also mentioned multiple times that he has a hard time getting hard without Na-Kyum's painting. However, Seungho is nigh desperate/impatient with Na-Kyum - he fingers him for ~10 seconds before he's hard and trying to put it in.

I'm interested to see what happens in Chapter 21, whether or not Seungho is actually going to take it all the way. Na-kyum is still super drunk, but I wonder if he'll finally snap out of it and realize it's not In-Hun right before/during and resist. Will In-Hun find out about it somehow (including the bit about Na-Kyum drunkenly thinking it was him since, again, Kim was there and knows the truth)? Will Seungho have words with In-Hun after witnessing his exchange with Na-Kyum in Chapter 19??

(Also, I'm confused why so many people are suddenly hating Seungho after Chapter 20. Of course I agree that taking advantage of Na-Kyum is wrong, but Seungho has never at any point thus far been shown to be a shining beacon of morality. He jerked him off in Chapter 17 despite his pleading to stop, he's killed a guy for no reason other than to intimidate Na-Kyum into compliance, kidnapped and basically imprisoned Na-Kyum, and was described from the very beginning as being insane and obsessed with sodomy. Why anyone would be surprised by his actions in Chapter 20 is beyond me. Again, not saying it's right, but that's been his character from the start... Have we been reading the same story?)

    SeekingSanity August 30, 2019 3:43 pm

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    You raised a great point about the lighting. I hadn't thought of that. Holy crap. Kim saw the whole thing and Yoon didn't even care.

    milocchi August 30, 2019 3:44 pm

    You really enlighting me, I didn't notice it when I read it.
    Thank you for your explanation.

    SeekingSanity August 30, 2019 3:50 pm
    You really enlighting me, I didn't notice it when I read it. Thank you for your explanation. milocchi

    I see what you did there.

    I have to agree. This comment is lit!

    SeekingSanity August 30, 2019 3:59 pm

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    Biggest mystery for me still is where did they get the "lube" stuff. Did Yoon have Kim run to the kitchen to fetch some oil.

    Why do I feel like the servants are used to these kind of "requests"? Is there an emergency supply cabinet for Yoon's "special stuff"?

    Life on the Yoon estate: Don't asks questions. When the Master in the dead of night orders one large egg plant, a lot of oil, hot wax, and some whips and ropes, you go GET IT.

    mintlattae August 30, 2019 4:05 pm

    whoa... i just re read it... and damn you're right, he's shameless...
    uhm btw even when he just jerked nakyum off on that chap 16-17, he's hard, right?
    he even laughing at himself for being hard because or nakyum, or am i wrong?

    Mila May August 30, 2019 4:07 pm

    So... Kim heard all that Na-Kyum said to "teacher"...

    milocchi August 30, 2019 4:08 pm
    I see what you did there. I have to agree. This comment is lit! SeekingSanity

    pun intended ╮( ̄▽ ̄)╭

    Marie123 August 30, 2019 4:08 pm

    You are a ray of sunshine on this dark comment board.

    Anonymous August 30, 2019 5:26 pm

    In my dream the teacher will show up, kick Yoon’s ass and save Nakyum

    TillyFlonka August 31, 2019 8:51 am
    ......Biggest mystery for me still is where did they get the "lube" stuff. Did Yoon have Kim run to the kitchen to fetch some oil. Why do I feel like the servants are used to these kind of "requests"? Is there... SeekingSanity

    Lol. Good question. I've kind of just assumed that, with his reputation, Seungho/his servants have lube hidden all over the mansion for easy access - under floorboards, behind bookshelves, in vases - specifically for situations like this. "Tactical Lube", if you will.

    TillyFlonka August 31, 2019 8:59 am
    whoa... i just re read it... and damn you're right, he's shameless...uhm btw even when he just jerked nakyum off on that chap 16-17, he's hard, right?he even laughing at himself for being hard because or nakyum... mintlattae

    Yeah, he was definitely hard at the end of Chapter 16/ start of Chapter 17! It adds to the idea that Na-Kyum, not just his paintings, really gets Seungho going.

    The way I interpreted it was that he was laughing at himself for getting hard - he was staring down at his own crotch while smiling, after all (weirdo). He's been shown to find his own depravity humorous in the past, so I imagine he was probably amused that a "filthy lowborn" could turn him on so easily.

    TillyFlonka August 31, 2019 9:07 am
    So... Kim heard all that Na-Kyum said to "teacher"... Mila May

    YES! I could be wrong since I don't speak Korean and am just relying on a translation app, but it seemed like Na-Kyum said In-Hun's name several times leading up to him kissing Seungho. It would have been extremely obvious to both Kim and Seungho that Na-Kyum had mistaken him, so Kim knows his love confession/kiss was not intended for Seungho.

    TillyFlonka August 31, 2019 9:08 am
    pun intended ╮( ̄▽ ̄)╭ milocchi

    (≧∀≦)

    TillyFlonka August 31, 2019 9:16 am
    In my dream the teacher will show up, kick Yoon’s ass and save Nakyum @Anonymous

    Lol. I'm pretty sure In-Hun would help guide Seungho's dick into Na-Kyum himself if he was promised a government position in exchange. Unfortunately, he seems to not care one bit for anyone except himself ╮( ̄▽ ̄)╭

    TillyFlonka August 31, 2019 9:16 am
    You are a ray of sunshine on this dark comment board. Marie123

    And you are mine, kind stranger ⁄(⁄ ⁄·⁄ω⁄·⁄ ⁄)⁄

    SeekingSanity August 31, 2019 11:39 am
    Lol. Good question. I've kind of just assumed that, with his reputation, Seungho/his servants have lube hidden all over the mansion for easy access - under floorboards, behind bookshelves, in vases - specifical... TillyFlonka

    Tactical Lube. Lol, don't look under that creaky floorboard.

    Yoon likely just leaned out the door, looked at Kim down the hall, cleared his throat and gave the sign. A couple minutes later the door slid open enough for Kim to place the lube in the door and was swiftly shut. Or at least that's how I think the lube got there.

    Or maybe Yoon just keeps emergency lube in the sleeves of his robe. You know, for those unexpected situations. I mean, in chapter one he pulled the porn books out of his sleeves. He's probably got all sorts of "emergency sodomy" supplies tucked in his robes.

TillyFlonka September 5, 2017 10:53 pm

I'm an unapologetic Bum fan through & through, so I'm certainly biased when I say this, but I am so exceedingly tired of people calling him an idiot after chapter 32.

Are we reading the same story? Have people still not grasped the concept that he is SEVERELY mentally ill?? Not only that, the guy has had an absolute shit life, pretty much completely devoid of love and companionship. He's desperate to be loved and accepted!

Yes, as third party observers, it's easy for the readers to know that Sangwoo's just saying whatever's necessary to get out of their current predicament. For Bum, who was obsessed to the point of stalking Sangwoo for MONTHS, of course he's on cloud nine. No, it's not logical, but if you've been paying even the slightest bit of attention to the story, his reaction is completely normal for his character.

Again: guy thoroughly desperate to be loved just had the man he's obsessed with say, in public, that they're in a relationship AND kiss him in front of people. Jesus H. Christ, the kid just tried to kill himself after getting rejected by the man. Of fucking course he's going to be in a goddamn daze! It's probably the best goddamn day in his miserable life!

He's doing his best, dammit. Christ knows the little nutter is going to save the day filling out that dating survey with his stalker super powers anyways...

    Miwa September 6, 2017 8:26 pm

    Spot on lol

    Anime Woods September 7, 2017 12:17 am

    THANK U!! ❀ ☆ ✧ and also everyone he has BPD [aka Borderline Personality Disorder] it literally tell us right off the bat in Chapter.1..I mean come on now. >:(

    water September 7, 2017 8:43 am

    Preach. Thanks for the comment. I'm also tired of people saying Bum should snitch on Sangwoo.

TillyFlonka June 26, 2017 1:04 pm

Jesus Christ, that was so beautiful it hurt... (/TДT)/

TillyFlonka April 26, 2017 9:34 pm

I posted this analysis/ theory about Chapter 20 soon after it came out, but I wanted to hear more peoples' opinions. It's super long, but if anyone is willing to suffer through it, I'd love to hear your opinions & interpretations!


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To start, it becomes obvious in this chapter that, as many people had predicted, Jieun was Sangwoo's “marriage proposal” of sorts to Bum that he'd been planning *at least* since chapter 14 – he's seen texting Jieun and the others, asking if it's ok if he brings a friend to the afterparty. This is following Seungbae's search of his house where he thinks Bum has escaped, that ultimately leads to him telling Bum that they'll “stay together forever”. While it was hinted at several times in the following chapters, this was pretty concretely confirmed later on in chapter 20 when Sangwoo is ranting about how much effort he'd put into that night.

So this brings us to Sangwoo's reaction when Bum says that he doesn't feel anything after killing Jieun. Sangwoo had most likely considered Jieun a romantic offering to Bum – to connect Bum to him permanently. Hell, he basically says so in chapter 19: “then we can finally, truly be together until death”. Sangwoo has been shown to be extremely distrustful – he repeatedly tests Bum, and seems to need frequent reassurance that Bum wants him. While I won't venture to say that Sangwoo loves Bum, he certainly has formed an attachment – he leads a lonely and secretive life, and Bum is the first person to not treat him like a monster after discovering his true nature.

In the chapters leading up to this, Sangwoo is shown to be both extremely excited and nervous. When Bum accepts his “gift” by killing Jieun, Sangwoo is visibly pleased - smiling while watching him stab her. I believe he was expecting Bum to be excited as well, to have been given this gift and to now be bound to Sangwoo, the man he loves. When Bum says he doesn't feel anything, which is probably due to the fact that he just stabbed someone to death for the first time and is in shock (as made obvious by his blank expression and drooling after Sangwoo shouts at him), Sangwoo takes it as extreme rejection. In short, he has a temper tantrum.

Sangwoo is seemingly so upset from this rejection that he has a little breakdown (he looks so sad/disappointed!). He's pretty obviously not thinking straight when he tries to kick Bum out – I don't think this was a test as I've seen some people speculate, I believe he's so overwhelmed with disappointment & dejected that he simply wants the source of dejection gone. The comment he makes along the lines of “you don't care about me, so I don't care about you” is so... forgive me, hilariously childish, and is what hammers home to me that the action comes from pure emotion rather than being an attempt at manipulating Bum.

When Bum freaks out and resists leaving, it snaps Sangwoo out of his tantrum – he looks borderline pleased when Bum refuses to leave (“I thought you said you didn't feel anything??”). I think he feels relief that Bum doesn't want to leave him. When he sees Bum hiding under the covers with his... bum (sorry) sticking out, he decides to test the waters again.

To backtrack a tiny bit, when Sangwoo is telling Bum to get out, he gives him his stuff. In his stuff we can see ~the dildo~. Now what's that doing there? Last time it was shown was in the bedroom when Sangwoo had originally brought it from Bum's apartment. The fact that it had made its way to the basement makes me think that Sangwoo had brought it down there with the intention of using it (maybe to consummate their “marriage” after killing Jieun?). This is the one part of the chapter that I'm still fairly confused about – why did he just pretend to have sex with Bum, and use the dildo instead? Again, it was down there, so I'm guessing he was planning on using it from the start. I don't think he was “punishing” Bum by tricking him with it.

When Sangwoo first pulls Bum's underwear down, it shows him with – what looks like to me – a thoughtful expression on his face. Given the rest of the chapter's events, I think at this point he was deciding how he wanted to proceed. He looks to the side, sees the dildo, and makes up his mind. Nowhere in that progression does he seem like he's plotting something – he just looks kind of conflicted. Again, I'm unsure why he doesn't directly have sex with Bum, but I'm personally leaning towards the idea that he's still inexperienced with being with a man, and is testing his own boundaries.

Now, I've developed a (feeble) theory about the weird sex scene we were treated to that took me several read-throughs to formulate. Like many others, I was kind of confused about the strange positioning both before and after the big dildo reveal. Hands here and there, and then nowhere to be seen, pelvises all over the place, etc... At first I thought maybe Sangwoo was pushing the dildo in with his pelvis to create a realistic sensation and fool Bum into thinking they were actually doing it, but as I mentioned before, I don't think he actually was trying to fool him (at least not maliciously... this time). Then I thought it was just Bum fantasizing about what Sangwoo was doing to him. THEN! After my millionth time reading through, it finally struck me: the colored haze!

Now Koogi has been using the colored haze from the very beginning to give a certain mood to dramatic scenes. In this chapter, notably during the sex scene, the colored haze makes an appearance, but this time it's constantly switching. Sometimes it's red, sometimes it's blue, at one particular point it's purple, and sometimes there is no haze. What I noticed is that the haze, in particular the red seems to correlate with a certain type of viewpoint. I don't think Bum is the only one fantasizing about what's being done to him – I think the parts shown in red are the reader being shown what Sangwoo's fantasizing. (Was this super obvious to everyone else, and I'm just slow?)

Blue haze/no haze is a combination of what's actually happening and Bum's imagination. Since Bum is the main narrator of this story, the two (reality & Bum's interpretation) seem to meld together. These parts generally take a profile view, focusing on Sangwoo's pelvis pressed against Bum. Interestingly enough, these are also the times when we don't see Sangwoo holding onto Bum (Sangwoo seemingly has no arms for most of the blue/no haze scenes). This may be since Bum can't feel Sangwoo holding onto him while he's being penetrated, he doesn't “see”/imagine his hands on him.

Red haze, Sangwoo's imagination, seems significantly more sexual (does that make any sense?). He seems to be viewing what they're doing much more explicitly. The red haze scenes show him grabbing onto Bum by the hips and thrusting into him from his perspective, some low-angle shots of Bum's parted legs with fluid dripping down his thighs, etc...

To me, this clears up a lot of the weird changes in hand & body positioning throughout the sex scene. When Bum turns around, we see that Sangwoo wasn't even kneeling/in a position to be doing any thrusting – he was squatting. It also makes sense when Sangwoo tells Bum he ruined the mood. He had been fantasizing as well, and Bum turning around and realizing they weren't really having sex broke both of their illusions. One final idea I had regarding the fantasizing might be a bit of a stretch – I think when Sangwoo tells Bum that he would never do it without a condom, it confused a lot of people. I've seen posts here & there asking/theorizing what he meant by it, most reaching the conclusion that he somehow meant it offensively (Bum is dirty, etc...) or that he was trying to shame/embarrass Bum. Now, right before that, Bum had been begging Sangwoo to come inside of them. Sangwoo responded with “No” and “I can't”. I feel like rather answering Bum's question “Why?” concerning why he was using a dildo rather than directly having sex with him, I think Sangwoo was telling Bum that he couldn't come inside of him because he wouldn't do it without a condom. If Sangwoo was fantasizing about it, he couldn't imagine himself cumming inside of Bum, because he wouldn't do it in reality. This makes what he said seem significantly less insulting. Again, I acknowledge that it's a bit of a stretch, but with the way I've personally interpreted the entire chapter, I don't think Sangwoo's goal is humiliation this time around.

Haze color theory aside, as to what was said while they were “doing it”. At the beginning, it seems like Sangwoo is half pouting, half trying to work out Bum's true feelings. He seems like a sulky kid, complaining about how much work he put into his “gift” for Bum. He baits Bum – if you can't push, try pulling. He stops, and questions whether Bum ever actually liked him (“You were just acting like you wanted me.”). With just one word from Bum, “No”, he resumes. The immediateness of his resumption gives the feeling that he didn't truly have the intention of stopping, but was just waiting for Bum to confirm that he wants him. Bum pretty much stops resisting – it obviously still hurts, but the idea that Sangwoo is inside of him arouses him so much that he gets into it.

When Sangwoo comments “this does feel new”, it seems like he's already fantasizing. This is where he transitions from sulking to enjoying himself. He starts insulting Bum – I feel like degrading Bum during sex is right up his sadistic alley. (This might seem to contradict what I previously said about his main goal not being to humiliate Bum, but I feel there's a distinct difference between verbally degrading someone in the heat of the moment, and telling someone they're too disgusting to fuck bareback.) His comments “you like that?”, “you want more?”, and “it's not enough, right?” are pretty typical "dirty talk" and carry on the theme of narcissistic sadist. I think it turns him on to think of Bum as subservient and wanting him. When Bum finally says those magic words (“All I want is you! Just you!” and “Stay by my side!”), it thrills him like nothing else. He feels wanted, accepted. Bum finally told him what he wanted to hear, and accepted his “proposal”. The purple haze in that scene could be indicative that it's their shared fantasy (blue + red = purple)?? This part actually struck me as kind of sad. As much of a piece of shit as Sangwoo is, he looks so very happy, desperately so, to have it affirmed and reaffirmed that Bum does indeed want him and want to be with him.

This sweet-ish(???) moment is short-lived though. The red haze takes over almost the entirety of the rest of the scene – if my haze color theory is correct, then he's fantasizing himself penetrating Bum very fervently, thrusting markedly harder/faster while blaming him for all of the murders. I've seen theories that he's trying to manipulate Bum with guilt, or that he truly believes that Bum is the guilty party. I personally think it's a bit of both, but that he's mostly just super excited/riled up. Bum accepted his gift of Jieun and accepted his proposal to be together forever – he finally told Sangwoo that he wanted him and wanted to be with him. They are now bound together forever, and he's impressing the fact upon Bum by making him share/take over responsibility for the murders.

Once the illusion of Sangwoo having sex with him is broken, Bum is hit by the pain full-force. It's clear that Bum is in pain the whole time, but without the mental arousal from believing Sangwoo is inside of him, there's nothing to dull it down anymore. He begs Sangwoo to stop, and tells him that it hurts – he even tries to crawl away. Sangwoo previously insisted that he wasn't a rapist, but he doesn't stop when Bum tells him to. While that's pretty obvious rape to the reader, I don't think Sangwoo sees it that way. When he says Bum is being selfish, I think he's referring back to when Bum was originally telling him it hurt – Sangwoo thinks he put in so much effort for Bum, that Bum owes it to him to deal with a little pain. He follows Bum into the corner when he tries to crawl away, and even demobilizes him by putting his leg on his shoulder (though that may not have been the intention). He keeps going, thrusting the dildo into Bum while he cries. This whole closing part of their sex scene is tinged with the red haze, making me believe that Sangwoo is still very much in the midst of fantasizing. If that's the case, I find it interesting that the final few panels are focused on Bum's crying face whereas before they were mostly focused on his ass.

Anyways, that's my exceedingly long-winded collection of thoughts/assessments/theories about this chapter. I have clearly put waaay too much thought into a fictional story.

If anyone actually read all of my bullshit, please do tell me what you think! Especially about the color theory!!
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That was my original post. I will say that the color haze indicating perspective theory doesn't seem to extrapolate outside of the sex scene. However, the weird body positioning does still make me think it holds true.

    Kold April 26, 2017 9:53 pm

    I love you

    youraedthiswrogn April 26, 2017 10:11 pm

    I completely agree with everything here and the whole "Jieun is Sangwoo's way of proposing to Bum" was a theory i had come up with as well. I'll admit that ch 20 confused the hell out of me, but now that you have explained it, i dont know how it could be interpreted any other way. It fits perfectly with my idea of Sangwoo having fallen "in love" with Bum since the scene where the cop comes in to search, then leaves and Sangwoo panics thinking that Bum has left him.

    Nanulee April 26, 2017 11:16 pm

    I only read it once so I only had the start of my theory but you just hit it on the nose!
    At first I thought that it was actually happening but when it showed that it was the dildo and not sangwoo I was a bit confused.
    Then I thought back about the colors, and thought that it was just Yoonbums fantasy. I never thought it was also Sangwoos, but the way you explained it was perfect.
    Even with the reason why he got angry with Yoo bum about not feeling anything, Perfect!(⌒▽⌒)

    Anonymous April 26, 2017 11:37 pm

    Dang. I did not think about the color haze! Wonderful theory. Everything makes sense after I read this now. Lemme reread again for the haze :))
    Thank you for this!!! Love how you truly assess the situation and thought outside of the box :))

    NapoliFiore April 27, 2017 2:26 am

    Thank you for putting this up! Now, I'm pumped to reread 20 again. The color haze theory is brilliant. I dismissed it in my first read.

    Anonymous April 27, 2017 3:19 am

    Great theory! I really want to read the next chapters to see how this will go about. Isn't it amazing how well the author keeps throwing us for a loop? I am humbled by her talent. *bows*
    What's great about this story is that so far you can't interpret it one way, for sure.
    I'd been waiting for a truly, delightfuly unpredictable story, just like this, for a long, long while... and I don't mean just in manga/manhwa: I was getting sick of being able to predict even the characters' next lines in series and movies I watched (too much fiction consumption, lol, I guess?). I was desperately waiting for a story like this, that really kept people on their toes... I am so happy this one seems to fit the bill. It really is one of the best stories I've seen in a while!

    Plushi April 27, 2017 5:17 am

    YES

    Anonymous April 27, 2017 9:56 am

    Ive never read this long ass post in my life but you did it so well it felt like i just read the whole feckin manwha in HD (づ ̄ ³ ̄)づ

    TillyFlonka April 27, 2017 11:01 pm

    Thank you to everyone for your responses! I'm glad to hear that others find my theory plausible!

    tara April 28, 2017 10:08 am
    I love you Kold

    you didn't read the whole thing, did you? but i agree, i love him too for being so passionate about something (KS, in particular).

    tara April 28, 2017 11:10 am

    I like your theories. you've done like in-depth analysis of this.

    I agree with the color theory. the mangaka has done that a lot of times to make things more intense.

    I won't say like marriage proposal but yes, kind of an initiation ceremony. His way of welcoming him to his life, making him a part of this. I thing Snagwoo knew about Bum since they were in school. Bum was constantly bullied and made fun of, a loner. Sangwoo being the popular kid must have heard something about him from his pals. He was nothing until he was caught in the basement and then in spite of everything he still saw Sangwoo as his hero and asked him for help. It sparked an interest, and thus the game began. And he started drawing parallels between him and his mom. And confessed after thinking Bum left him that they will stay together. Then he put his own stalking skills and got Jieun Bum's fist crush as the prop for it. I will agree Bum was shocked and so he said he didn't feel anything. He was shit scared. And seeing him vulnerable Sangwoo took it as an opportunity to blame him for it. Going so far as blaming him for the murder that happened it first chap. I think he replaced his dick with dildo because he wanted to show that he was still in power to deny him, to do as he pleases.

    tara April 28, 2017 2:59 pm
    I like your theories. you've done like in-depth analysis of this. I agree with the color theory. the mangaka has done that a lot of times to make things more intense.I won't say like marriage proposal but yes, ... @tara

    okay i want to make a correction i wrote in the comment that Jieun is the came girl that bum has crush on. but the jieun is just some random b**tch. so he just found someone for bum to kill. but i feel he either knows somethings about bums past or understands him at some level to plan it. to know what he has to do make bum snap like that.

    i almost thought sangwoo was like the Jigsaw killer. *coyly smiling*

    Wangj April 28, 2017 7:36 pm
    I completely agree with everything here and the whole "Jieun is Sangwoo's way of proposing to Bum" was a theory i had come up with as well. I'll admit that ch 20 confused the hell out of me, but now that you ha... youraedthiswrogn

    "Jieun is Sangwoo's way of proposing to Bum"

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    No way SW wants Bum to have sex with jieun's dead body

TillyFlonka April 23, 2017 3:17 pm

Before I start my mini-novel, for those who've not yet read chapter 20, you can find it in English here → ***. Please do consider buying the chapter from the official website, and supporting the creator of this amazing series! For those of you who can't afford it, etc..., you can simply scroll through previous comments, or so a quick search on instagram/tumblr.

Obviously, there will be spoilers for chapter 20 in this.

Chapter 20 was both the best & worst chapter so far; best in that there was some excellent character & plot development, worst in that in made me sad. I've read it ~ 93045 times now, and I feel like I'm finally starting to get a decent grasp on what really happened. Please do offer any dissenting opinions/interpretations. I would love to hear others' theories!

To start, it becomes obvious in this chapter that, as many people had predicted, Jieun was Sangwoo's “marriage proposal” of sorts to Bum that he's been planning at least since chapter 14 – he's seen texting Jieun and the others, asking if it's ok if he brings a friend to the afterparty. This is following Seungbae's search of his house where he thinks Bum has escaped, that ultimately leads to him telling Bum that they'll “stay together forever”. While it was hinted at several times in the following chapters, this was pretty concretely confirmed later on in chapter 20 when Sangwoo is ranting about how much effort he'd put into that night.

So this brings us to Sangwoo's reaction when Bum says that he doesn't feel anything after killing Jieun. Sangwoo had most likely considered Jieun a romantic offering to Bum – to connect Bum to him permanently. Hell, he basically says so in chapter 19: “then we can finally, truly be together until death”. Sangwoo has been shown to be extremely distrustful – he repeatedly tests Bum, and seems to need frequent reassurance that Bum wants him. While I won't venture to say that Sangwoo loves Bum, he certainly has formed an attachment – he leads a lonely and secretive life, and Bum is the first person to not treat him like a monster after discovering his true nature.

In the chapters leading up to this, Sangwoo is shown to be both extremely excited and nervous. When Bum accepts his “gift” by killing Jieun, Sangwoo is visibly pleased - smiling while watching him stab her. I believe he was expecting Bum to be excited as well, to have been given this gift and to now be bound to Sangwoo, the man he loves. When Bum says he doesn't feel anything, which is probably due to the fact that he just stabbed someone to death for the first time and is in shock (as made obvious by his blank expression and drooling after Sangwoo shouts at him), Sangwoo takes it as extreme rejection. In short, he has a temper tantrum.

Sangwoo is seemingly so upset from this rejection that he has a little breakdown (he looks so sad/disappointed!). He's pretty obviously not thinking straight when he tries to kick Bum out – I don't think this was a test as I've seen some people speculate, I believe he's overwhelmed with disappointment & dejected that he simply wants the source of dejection gone. The comment he makes along the lines of “you don't care about me, so I don't care about you” is so... forgive me, hilariously childish, and is what hammers home to me that the action comes from pure emotion rather than being an attempt at manipulating Bum.

When Bum freaks out and resists leaving, it snaps Sangwoo out of his tantrum – he looks borderline pleased when Bum refuses to leave (“I thought you said you didn't feel anything??”). I think he feels relief that Bum doesn't want to leave him. When he sees Bum hiding under the covers with his... bum (sorry) sticking out, he decides to test the waters again.

To backtrack a tiny bit, when Sangwoo is telling Bum to get out, he gives him his stuff. In his stuff we can see ~the dildo~. Now what's that doing there? Last time it was shown was in the bedroom when Sangwoo had originally brought it from Bum's apartment. The fact that it had made its way to the basement makes me think that Sangwoo had brought it down there with the intention of using it (maybe to consummate their “marriage” after killing Jieun?). This is the one part of the chapter that I'm still fairly confused about – why did he just pretend to have sex with Bum, and use the dildo instead? Again, it was down there, so I'm guessing he was planning on using it from the start. I don't think he was “punishing” Bum by tricking him with it.

When Sangwoo first pulls Bum's underwear down, it shows him with – what looks like to me – a thoughtful expression on his face. Given the rest of the chapter's events, I think at this point he was deciding how he wanted to proceed. He looks to the side, sees the dildo, and makes up his mind. Nowhere in that progression does he seem like he's plotting something – he just looks kind of conflicted. Again, I'm unsure why he doesn't directly have sex with Bum, but I'm personally leaning towards the idea that he's still inexperienced with being with a man, and is still testing his own boundaries.

Now, I've developed a (feeble) theory about the weird sex scene we were treated to that took me several read-throughs to formulate. Like many others, I was kind of confused about the strange positioning both before and after the big dildo reveal. Hands here and there, and then nowhere to be seen, pelvises all over the place, etc... At first I thought maybe Sangwoo was pushing the dildo in with his pelvis to create a realistic sensation and fool Bum into thinking they were actually doing it, but as I mentioned before, I don't think he actually was trying to fool him (at least not maliciously... this time). Then I thought it was just Bum fantasizing about what Sangwoo was doing to him. THEN! After my millionth time reading through, it finally struck me: the colored haze!

Now Koogi has been using the colored haze from the very beginning to give a certain mood to dramatic scenes. In this chapter, notably during the sex scene, the colored haze makes an appearance, but this time it's constantly switching. Sometimes it's red, sometimes it's blue, at one particular point it's purple, and sometimes there is no haze. What I noticed is that the haze, in particular the red seems to correlate with a certain type of viewpoint. I don't think Bum is the only one fantasizing about what's being done to him – I think the parts shown in red are the reader being shown what Sangwoo's fantasizing. (Was this super obvious to everyone else, and I'm just slow?)

Blue haze/no haze is a combination of what's actually happening and Bum's imagination. Since Bum is the main narrator of this story, the two (reality & Bum's interpretation) seem to meld together. These parts generally take a profile view, focusing on Sangwoo's pelvis pressed against Bum. Interestingly enough, these are also the times when we don't see Sangwoo holding onto Bum (Sangwoo seemingly has no arms for most of the blue/no haze scenes). This may be since Bum can't feel Sangwoo holding onto him while he's being penetrated, he doesn't “see”/imagine his hands on him.

Red haze, Sangwoo's imagination, seems significantly more sexual (does that make any sense?). He seems to be viewing what they're doing much more explicitly. The red haze scenes show him grabbing onto Bum by the hips and thrusting into him from his perspective, some low-angle shots of Bum's parted legs with fluid dripping down his thighs, etc...

To me, this clears up a lot of the weird changes in hand & body positioning throughout the sex scene. When Bum turns around, we see that Sangwoo wasn't even kneeling/in a position to be doing any thrusting – he was squatting. It also makes sense when Sangwoo tells Bum he ruined the mood. He had been fantasizing as well, and Bum turning around and realizing they weren't really having sex broke both of their illusions. One final idea I had regarding the fantasizing might be a bit of a stretch – I think when Sangwoo tells Bum that he would never do it without a condom, it confused a lot of people. I've seen posts here & there asking/theorizing what he meant by it, most reaching the conclusion that he somehow meant it offensively (Bum is dirty, etc...) or that he was trying to shame/embarrass. Now, right before that, Bum had been begging Sangwoo to come inside of them. Sangwoo responded with “No” and “I can't”. I feel like rather answering Bum's question “Why?” concerning why he was using a dildo rather than directly having sex with him, I think Sangwoo was telling Bum that he couldn't come inside of him because he wouldn't do it without a condom. If Sangwoo was fantasizing about it, he couldn't think about himself cumming inside of Bum, because he wouldn't do it in reality. This makes what he said seem significantly less insulting. Again, I acknowledge that it's a bit of a stretch, but with the way I've personally interpreted the entire chapter, I don't think Sangwoo's goal is humiliation this time around.

Haze color theory aside, as to what was said while they were “doing it”. At the beginning, it seems like Sangwoo is half pouting, half trying to work out Bum's true feelings. He seems like a sulky kid, complaining about how much work he put into his “gift” for Bum. He baits Bum – if you can't push, try pulling. He stops, and questions whether Bum ever actually liked him (“You were just acting like you wanted me.”). With just one word from Bum, “No”, he resumes. Bum pretty much stops resisting – it obviously still hurts, but the idea that Sangwoo is inside of him arouses him so much that he gets into it.

When Sangwoo comments “this does feel new”, it seems like he's already fantasizing. This is where he transitions from sulking to enjoying himself. He starts insulting Bum – I feel like degrading Bum during sex is right up his sadistic alley. (This might seem to contradict what I previously said about his main goal not being to humiliate Bum, but I feel there's a distinct difference between verbally degrading someone in the heat of the moment, and telling someone they're too disgusting to fuck bareback.) His comments “you like that?”, “you want more?”, and “it's not enough, right?” just carry on the theme of narcissistic sadist. I think it turns him on to think of Bum as subservient and wanting him. When Bum finally says those magic words (“All I want is you! Just you!” and “Stay by my side!”), it thrills him like nothing else. He feels wanted, accepted. Bum finally told him what he wanted to hear, and accepted his “proposal”. The purple haze in that scene could be indicative that it's their shared fantasy (blue + red = purple)?? This part actually struck me as kind of sad. As much of a piece of shit as Sangwoo is, he looks so very happy, desperately so, to have it affirmed and reaffirmed that Bum does indeed want him and want to be with him.

This sweet-ish(???) moment is short-lived though. The red haze takes over almost the entirety of the rest of the scene – if my haze color theory is correct, then he's fantasizing himself penetrating Bum very fervently, thrusting markedly harder/faster while blaming him for all of the murders. I've seen theories that he's trying to manipulate Bum with guilt, or that he truly believes that Bum is the guilty party. I personally think it's a bit of both, but that he's mostly just super excited/riled up. Bum accepted his gift of Jieun and accepted his proposal to be together forever – he finally told Sangwoo that he wanted him and wanted to be with him. They are now bound together forever, and he's impressing the fact upon Bum by making him share/take over responsibility for the murders.

Once the illusion of Sangwoo having sex with him is broken, Bum is hit by the pain full-force. It's clear that Bum is in pain the whole time, but without the mental arousal from believing Sangwoo is inside of him, there's nothing to dull it down anymore. He begs Sangwoo to stop, and tells him that it hurts – he even tries to crawl away. Sangwoo previously insisted that he wasn't a rapist, but he doesn't stop when Bum tells him to. While that's pretty obvious rape to the reader, I don't think Sangwoo sees it that way. When he says Bum is being selfish, I think he's referring back to when Bum was originally telling him it hurt – Sangwoo thinks he put in so much effort for Bum, that Bum owes it to him to deal with a little pain. He follows Bum into the corner when he tries to crawl away, and even demobilizes him by putting his leg on his shoulder (though that may not have been the intention). He keeps going, thrusting the dildo into Bum while he cries. This whole closing part of their sex scene is tinged with the red haze, making me believe that Sangwoo is still very much in the midst of fantasizing. If that's the case, I find it interesting that the final few panels are focused on Bum's crying face whereas before they were mostly focused on his ass.

Anyways, that's my exceedingly long-winded collection of thoughts/assessments/theories about this chapter. I have clearly put waaay too much thought into a fictional story.

If anyone actually read all of my bullshit, please do tell me what you think! Especially about the color theory!!

    TillyFlonka April 23, 2017 3:18 pm

    Where did my link go? Here it is -> https://www.lezhin.com/en/comic/killingstalking

    Boi April 23, 2017 4:47 pm

    (⊙…⊙ ) that's pretty good

    Shirane April 23, 2017 7:26 pm

    I very much enjoyed your theories and now I'm thrilled to see if they'll work out...

    marsyıdz April 23, 2017 8:21 pm

    KIMIZ kötü mavi iyi söyer

    TillyFlonka April 23, 2017 8:51 pm
    I very much enjoyed your theories and now I'm thrilled to see if they'll work out... Shirane

    Thank you! Me too!

    TillyFlonka April 23, 2017 8:52 pm
    KIMIZ kötü mavi iyi söyer marsyıdz

    I'm sorry, I don't understand. Thank you for directly posting a link for others though!

    Sakura-chan April 23, 2017 10:48 pm

    (๑•ㅂ•)و✧

    y April 24, 2017 8:05 am

    I never noticed the color hazes!! Dang, this is a really nice theory!

    Iris April 24, 2017 8:18 am

    I felt so disappointed with this chapter, so I very much appreciate this explanation. When it was revealed that he was using a dildo was the point. Don't get me wrong, it wasn't because they didn't actually have sex. I am not disappointed that sex was ruined or all that. It was more of a... it felt like betrayal. Probably because I sympathize more with Bum. Sangwoo is very unstable, and maybe because I feel like I don't actually have a grasp on his train of thoughts and intention. So for me he seems unpredictable and I don't like that. So for you to give me a theory of possible intent and feelings totally leveled me out.

    Mimochan April 24, 2017 8:55 am

    Wow your explanation make sense to me♡ i kind of lost in this chapter tbh haha thankyou♡

TillyFlonka April 22, 2017 8:37 am

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Sangwoo in Chapter 20: "I'm not some rapist" *proceeds to force-fuck Bum with a dildo*

    The_Dark_Dreamer April 22, 2017 8:53 am

    Can you tell me where I can find the second season please?(〜 ̄△ ̄)〜

    lenabuF April 22, 2017 9:15 am
    Can you tell me where I can find the second season please?(〜 ̄△ ̄)〜 The_Dark_Dreamer

    On Lezhin

    EmiliaLewandowska April 22, 2017 11:34 am
    Can you tell me where I can find the second season please?(〜 ̄△ ̄)〜 The_Dark_Dreamer

    If u have instagram go on account called nipnuts the whole chapter 1 season 2 is there :)

    The_Dark_Dreamer April 22, 2017 7:55 pm

    THANKS!(● ̄(エ) ̄●)

TillyFlonka March 25, 2017 6:42 pm

Koogi posted to twitter earlier today: Lezhin (the official site) is going to start releasing chapters in Korean, Japanese, and English all at the same time! This means no more anxiously waiting the two week gap after a chapter comes out in Korean, and depending on dodgy fan-translations to know what's happening!

On the downside, it looks like the new chapters won't start rolling out until April 14 to accommodate this change :'(

Koogi's official tween can be read here -> https://twitter.com/kooo_gi/status/845627452789444609/photo/1

The official release website, Lezhin, can be found here (Korean) -> https://www.lezhin.com/ko/
here (English) -> https://www.lezhin.com/en

They have lots of other good series to help fill the sad weeks until KS resumes!

    THANK YOU!!! March 26, 2017 10:05 pm

    (๑•ㅂ•)و✧ Thank you for this information!! (▰˘◡˘▰) now I can be at peace.. I've so anxious because this amazing piece hadn't been updating for a long time so thank thanks!

    perfect gun March 28, 2017 4:42 am

    I'm so happy to hear this. Been searching literally everywhere on the web for some info on the season 2, I can't wait until april. The suspension is killing me, I love this manga pleaaaase give me more. ლ(´ڡ`ლ)

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