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how does this have a downvote... leo’s got fans??

Idk he might have to fight Taku for those trophies

No one can fight taku

I’m-

Omg girl how are you in Jowoon fantasyland? I think you are lost there

I have to disagree with you
Say that Taku and joowon are the same level of toxicity is wrong
Yes joowon makes some mistakes in the past, but not anymore, so.. yes you can say he was « toxic »in the past, but now he is mature and he have the biggest development
what we reproach to taku, is his selfishness, his way of using people by manipulating their feelings...
now there is nothing to reproach to joowon and
I don’t know if you read the raw but now even Heasoo, who was very selfish try to do his best fort taku and joowon
The only character who hasn't changed it's taku
And after all the childish comments on joowon, 2-3 comments on taku won't hurt him

Hello! It's me, the one with a Taku crying fantasy </3 First of all, he ain't real, so I couldn't care less that you think I am "sick". Second of all, he brought this on himself, so sorry for my lack of empathy. Third of all, stop denying the fact that Taku hasn't changed at all in three seasons, he's the same self-absorbed, manipulative piece of shit that likes to see Haesoo upset. Give me a reason why he deserves a happy ending. Don't give me the "he's experiencing love for the first time give him a break" when he doesn't even care about Haesoo's feelings if they don't involve him. I'll wait.

Lastly but not least, don't do Joowon dirty by saying: "Taku and Jowoon are at the same level of toxicity" when he's the only one with proper character development. He's learned to put Haesoo's wishes first, respect his decisions, and take his leave if that meant the one he loves is happy. He's never been happy about Haesoo modeling for Taku, yet he congratulated him, intended on going to the exhibition to show his support despite having the media on his back. What did Taku do? Throw a fit whenever Haesoo went to see Joowon. So cool of him! A real angel.

If there's someone that deserves a happy ending, it's Joowon, and if that happy ending means Haesoo SO BE IT.

*stop denying the fact that Taku HAS changed

The three characters have been created with a purpose, to symbolize something. I'm going to leave H aside because I think his character is understood by all of us, now let's look at Taku, his character is to represent what he did in the past, that is, to use people without any feelings because he had never fallen in love, Now that he has discovered what true love is, he is doing everything possible to stay with it because he had not felt it before, obviously that makes him become a toxic and manipulative person, what does all this mean? that no matter how much he fights for H, he will never stay with him, because H is not the love he seeks.

Now let's talk about Jowoon, obviously this character has never been a little angel and he already started very badly from the beginning and it has been shown that he is a toxic and very careful manipulator, it happens that his character is the opposite of taku's, he already has experienced falling in love, it is simply that he has not known how to express it, we know that he has changed and that he is now more mature but he has not changed with Haesso, he changed alone yes so we will never know if as a couple they can work.

Conclusion, if you realize taku at the beginning he represented himself as someone good to end up being someone bad, that is, the opposite that happened to us with Jowoon. So yes, the two have changed the only difference is that one has changed to something good and the other to something bad, so I emphasize that both were at that level of toxicity because they are.

And I don't know where you get that 2 or 3 bad comments are fine when the comment section is full of insults towards taku xd

?? smh im dumb i was right the first time

Omg.... nonnnnnn pas ça, here we go again, with someone still stuck in season 1 please
when everything with joowon was about Heasoo POV
Joowon never been a little angel, huh he is the most precious in the story, the only one who REALLY care about Heasoo more than anything
All he did was for protect heasoo, yes sometimes it’s was bad
manipulator ... ? I’m no going to argument about that’s
He changed for heasoo you can’t deny that’s, Heasoo and joowon are both grew up, They can be together now, because the know they can’t leave without each other and they want to be together
full of insultes towards Taku ? You haven't been here for a long time, haven't you? ooof, in two weeks all the taku Stan are going to cry here, it’s going to be full of insulte about joowon and heasoo
Taku never been good, from the beginning to the end,
that he discovers love for the first time, does not excuse his manipulation
The only manipulator is taku, that’s sad to no see that, a few taku Stan know that, you have to accept too ^^

wtf, is your reading comprehension good?

You are so obsessed with Taku that you don't seem to understand anything you read. Where the hell did I say that taku deserves a happy ending? Girl get off the cloud of love in which you adore Jowoon because it is not good for you.

Taku has changed, but has changed to something bad for the simple fact that he has never fallen in love and does not know what to do to stay with that person, obviously it does not matter what he does because H is never going to stay with him, besides that he deserves it. So don't give me the "tell me a reason why He deserve a happy ending" nonsense because I haven't put that anywhere, I said that he deserves a second chance alone, separate from H and J.

About Jowoon, you take everything related to this man very seriously simply because he has realized that H is the love of his life and he wants to see him happy, isn't that the point? I don't care if you give me that bullshit as an example, that if "Jowoon didn't want H to model" What are you telling me, don't you see the toxicity there? Why would it bother he that a person who is not your partner shows his body? He is still a possessive person no matter how much he has changed for the better. But yes I admit that his character really is the only one who has changed to something good, so he deserves that second chance to be with someone.

He is toxic whether you like it or not, that you see him as the best character is your opinion. That seems good to him, because he really is the only one who has changed in a positive way, but already there to see taku as a super villain is something rare xd, Taku is the stone that Jowoon needed to change so thank him.

And you don’t What to se thing like they are. Taku is manipulative like Jowoon was. HE CHANGED YES but he still be toxic.

You for sure adores Jowoon a lot because he now is a “good” person and don’t want to see what really is happening.

I don’t hate anyone in this history, but the three of them are wrong looking it how you look. He just changed because Haesoo made him change, he for himself didn’t see any problem, so plis he an ángel? Pfff I’m of

« He still be toxic » just your sentence is wrong lmao, if he changes, that’s mean he is not toxic anymore bref bref bref,
No no I don’t « adore » joowon NOW because he is a good person, I always like him
Anyways I think your are just stuck in your opinion and you don’t want to accept the fact that joowon is not toxic anymore
Yes The 3 of them were wrong, but Joowon and Heasoo try do to do their best, which your beloved Taku doesn't even try
Have a good day, I don’t want to talk with someone close-minded bye

When I told you to give me a reason why he deserves a happy ending, it had nothing to do with your initial comment. If it seemed that way, then I am sorry. What I was trying to get across is this: WHY do you think Taku deserves a second chance when he did nothing to earn that. To me, that is a happy ending because it would mean he'd get exactly what he wants now: love. Maybe my choice of words wasn't the best and my message wasn't clear enough. Sorry about that.

Agree to disagree, though. We probably won't see his development after Haesoo and Joowon get together and as of now, to me, it doesn't seem like he deserves another chance. As you said, love just made him change for the worst. If I don't see him repent and acknowledge that his premise was fucked up for the get-go, then he shouldn't get into another relationship. Just my two cents, you don't have to agree with me.

I already said why Joowon was against Haesoo modeling for Taku. Maybe he was jealous, but then again, he had a push and pull relationship with Haesoo, so it's not that surprising. Let's not forget the fact that he was against it because he never wanted Haesoo to be hurt. Haesoo never liked to be in front of the camera after all. That along with the fact that Taku had a bad reputation of throwing away his models after he got what he wanted from them was enough to make Joowon worry, but that doesn't fit the "Joowon is so toxic uwu he's a possessive prick", so we'll just ignore it.

I'm not saying Joowon is perfect or that he hasn't been toxic in the past, but if you put him and Taku next to each other then it's clear who's the better one. So no, you can't say they have the same level of toxicity.

And yes, I am grateful for Taku being what Joowon needed to open his eyes. He's a plot device after all. That was his whole point in the story.

Now I’m agreeing with you. I saw taku like the device so what happen to him is irrelevant, but making him the only bad character is wrong when they all are.

I may not empathize al lot with Jowoon but y understand what is you point on defending his behavior, like I said I agree that he changed a lot and he have a very good development but I really thing that Heasso is not for him either, because the two of them have a lot to learn. But we’ll, maybe any of us know what the point of their history is.

Back to Taku, I said that he maybe can have a second change because his the first time that he experienced love so we are not going to be hypocrite, like he can change too and he can be with another person and be happy. Haesso was like him, playing with people and when they fell in love o he got bored bye bye, Jowoon was also manipulative and if the two of them could change that means that taku to.

So let the stone leave alone of this history because the main characters now are in good terms.

And maybe I expresated myself wrong when I said that the two of them are in the same level of toxic, I wanted to express that before and now they have diferent behavior to express they love to H, but this behavior is wrong

The close minded are you, you liked Jowoon whe he was a little manipulative shit and that’s shows why you don’t What to see that he is not good either.

Say to me that he saw the problem and that he decided too change for himself not for Haesso or for taku. You can’t.

He have a lot to learn, because he has a lot of wrong behavior toward Haesso now, maybe the thing that he do seems good thing because he wants to protect Haesso but he is being jealous and possessive toward someone who is not his partner.

You may see him like the poor thing that is in love but he, like the others characters need too learn something.

When I said that they are at the same level of toxicity I sad that because obviously Taku is a little shit with his behavior toward Haesso, but Jowoon isn’t doing it good either, he has to let Haesso go and he isn’t doing that.

I agree with you on one point - I think that Taku's development will happen after he experiences his first heartbreak, so he'll deserve a second chance after he learns that what he did was not okay. Giving people power over your happiness and manipulating situations to get you what you want is bound to get you hurt one day. Haesoo told him the same thing, but he was too arrogant to believe him because no one ever made him cry before. So yeah, he can change and become a better person, but defending him right now and trying to make him the good guy right now just ain't it.

They all have their flaws, I think that's the best part of this story. But this tendency to make Taku this person that did nothing wrong and is somehow more deserving of having Haesoo is too much. He did nothing to deserve this type of treatment, but then again, I am not his biggest fan so maybe I am a bit biased. I can't see the hype surrounding him, he did nothing to redeem himself yet.

I’m not close minded dude, it’s just when you say that’s joowon has the same level of toxicity to taku or heasoo, I can’t accept that,
when he his the first who realize his mistakes, try to fixe them, to stay away from the man he loves to become mature, and try to let him go
Did you forget that’s they were madly in love still 10 years, that’s not easy to leave someone after 10 years
At the beginning joowon his described as the most manipulator because it’s was Heasoo POV, we can say the same for heasoo about joowon ?
Heasoo liked to make joowon like that...
Yes joowon was possessive with Heasoo but just with taku, he always let him sleep with whomever he wanted, in the first chapters you can see it: /
I don’t want to argue with you, anyways
We can all have different opinion, that’s not the problem just don’t put all the blame on joowon

Exactly, it's the same thing I wanted to express.

Honestly, what I can't stand is people defend any of the characters when none of them is right, so it's not just because of Taku but because the rest are not good either. I understand people that pithy him, he is being clumsy with is first love but he now have to suffer to really understand what love means, so is his time to say good bye because Haesoo is not good for him and Taku is nos good for Haesso.

Honestly, if people have not understood that Taku is only a stone in the way and that obviously he is not going to stay with Haesso because it is not the time and he has to suffer is developed like the other characters I What to ask them to read the story again.

Can you read again the first comentar that I posted and said to me were I blamed Jowoon?

Jowoon didn’t realize his problem he changed because of Haesso and because of Taku, and that is like that because Taku is only a stone in this history for Jowoon to realize that he is losing his firs love.

I am not blaming Jowoon, I am saying that the 3 of them are bad and wrong, they lived 10 years in a fucking toxic relationship and you thing that Jowoon realizing that him doing one or two things bad is the maximum of development that he need? Lol

I mean why are you defending him with al of your heart when he himself said that he was and asshole? He did bad, like Haesso so the two of them are toxic, Haesso was the first one that wanted to stope that relationship that they were having. And he “didn’t let him sleep with people” they weren’t in a relationship so Haesso could do whatever he wanted, the two of them were playing with fire because they were scared to exprese love, so they became toxic with each other, they were using themself, etc. So when Jowoon saw that Haesso was real about to stopping and wanted to tray with Taku HE realized that he did wrong. So yeah we can’t have diferent opinions but Jowoon has blame like the others characters.

I blaming the two of them, Taku was there like a stone only for these 2 to realize there love so he did his work.

Yes joowon did some bad things, he’s not an innocent, he make a LOOOOT of mistakes too, I already say it in my comment :/
Let’s stop the discussion here

We can’t be agree with everything, and it’s completely okay, thank you for giving your opinion
no need to get angry with each of our sides
I wish you a good day / night :)

they’re all toxic af let’s just leave it at that lol

he's literally rude to everyone he meets for no reason and belittled kyungsoo for being a beta when they first met are u gonna say that's dojun's fault too??

Dojun is not responsible for Chowons happiness.

Yes they were married, but dojun ever told Chowon that he loved him. THEY BOTH KNEW THIS WAS AN ARRANGED MARRIAGE. Its not dojun's fault AT ALL. Im not saying this was also chowon's fault that he was neglected.

I will say however, that IT WAS CHOWON'S FAULT THAT HE ORDERED HIS MEN TO RAPE HEESOO.

I was pissed at Chowon but Heeso grabbing his hair and dragging him to reality made me lmfao. hence, I only dislike Chowon at that point. and yes, i agree that those who hate Chowon till now, given the fact that they have seen his medications, is null.

Is Dojun fault because he neglected him and he fell depresed and did all the bad things. IF HE WAS A GOOD PERSON HE HAD CARED ABOUT CHOWON A LLITLE AND THATS ALL, BUS LITERALLY HE DIDN’T CARE AT ALL LIKE CHOWON BREAK SOMEONE LEG AND DOJUN DIDN’T SAY A THING

Stop defending him because he have a lot to do with was happening to Chowon

And what about that? He can’t be rude or what? Do you not see that everybody who approaches him just want something of him? Like everybody can be rude to him but he not?

You are heating him just because he is rude with people? Because anyone trates him like a person and the only person who trates him right was Kyungsoo.

oh shit yea, i forgot about that. i think its fucked up that Dojun didn't bat an eye when chowon did that which is basically enabling his behavior...

BUT CHOWON IS STILL THE ONE WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR HIS ACTIONS! I SAID WHAT I SAID

yeah yeah kyungsoo BEST BOY i love him. im honestly just pissed that people hate on him like LEAVE KYUNGSOO ALONE, you cant blame him for leaving chowon

I hate him in that part of the history too, when he was seeing like the villain and he was doing bad things too hesso. But later when Dojun explained that he has fault too and now with is side and is mental illy i understand him and I can hate him.

im deciding whether to hate kyungsoo or understand him. "You scare me." for me, that doesn't make any sense because he already saw Chowon's semi-bad side in the early chapters but it also makes sense because Chowon broke down in front of him, in rage mode tho

he's literally rude to random people on the street and everyone else like wtf are you on about
YES, that is a good reason to dislike a fucking character

THIS. While I understand chowon's mental health /better/, I can see some using his arc as an excuse to justify his behaviour and shift the blame entirely to dojun. Newsflash: Chowon's mental illness doesn't evaporate the consequences of his actions. And it definitely doesn't excuse his constant discrimination against omegas like hyesung

Kyungsoo don’t have any fault, he literally don’t know anything and he is just shocked about the things that Chowon did, so is normal that he feel scared about him, like yeah he know him but these new thing about Chowon are shocking so the best thing that he did was leave.

Omg I’m saying that Dojun contributed to make Chowon mental health worse, so he really has fault in what he did, I don’t know why are you all defending him when he himself said that he let Chowon do the bad things, like he was there knowing everything and not saying anything. Do you thing that it is good for a relationship were one of them is felling insecure, depressed and he is mentally illy?

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Wait so the story with the main characters is done and it’s only side stories?

Yes but in the side stories the author put the main character too so you can see them too

fr ppl used to be like ugh hyesung is so trash and annoying like do yall forget he was raped by dojin

People are trash cause they got double standards. It's disappointing how they can switch hate to someone else at their own convenience without proper conviction at all.

I totally agree with you. I replied on someone's comment that Dojin and Dojun are the worst characters in this webtoon and guess what...Everyone attacked me. WTF??

this comment is so true wtf

I dont know about Dojun being obsessed with Heesoo when he was a kid bc there weren't very many hints abt that, i dont think, but with the dojin and hyesung rape i wholeheartedly agree. i genuinely dont know how ppl STILL continue to defend this n then complain about how hyesung yelled at his child/tried to flee the country/being a bitch to Dojin when he was literally RAPED I'm-

Hyesung literally threw himself on Dojin a number of times. Heat or not, he was an omega and he knew the consequences. He could've made the effort to find quality suppressants in order to protect himself. This is a somewhat reason why alpha's tend to say that omega's are "at fault" with their heats because as much as how omega's find it difficult to suppress their heat, alphas also find it difficult to suppress their desire for omegas. It's a guideline for omegas to have their pills in the first place but he still wanted to play makeshift alpha. And let's not forget Hyesung was basically leaching off Dojin. He took advantage of all that money and lived in luxury while being an arrogant fuck who never said anything nice to the guy trying to make up for his faults.

Byul had NO fault in their circumstances. Hyesung had NO right to maltreat a child, especially when he wasn't exactly innocent before the child was born. Dojin learned to become a family man and provided everything; even taking Hyesung in despite the past. It's ridiculous how people call Dojin the bad guy as if Hyesung's all rainbows and sunshine.

hyesung had a right to somewhat do that not yelling at byul but leaching off of dojin i mean dojin did make him stay in his house when hyesung tried to leave and also raped him no ones saying anyone all rainbows and sunshine everyone here just saying it kinda fucked up how ppl always get mad at the omegas yet be blinded to the stuff the alpha did just cuz they tried to made up for it

No, he has no right to leach off of someone he just met. At first, Dojin felt an obligation for what happened to Hyesung but Hyesung took advantage of Dojin's guilt and lived off of his money. He could've left the house and never saw Dojin again after finding a job, but he was attracted to the wealth. His selfishness soon changes further in the story, but that doesn't erase the fact that he had a gold-digging attitude. I can understand that when he became pregnant but he was too insistent and selfish about the clothes and shoes that it was shameless.

Also "getting mad at omegas yet being blinded by alphas" doesn't apply to this story because it doesn't match with the plot of the two main leads. Hyesung acts like an alpha because that's what he's always believed he was. And so, he has no problem being rude to most alphas because, in a way, he feels he's at the same height of the hierarchy. Hyesung simply has an awful attitude and once refused to change it. Hyesung isn't a bad character by any means. But his road to development was just very rocky.

op u kinda right ;-;.................... just dat part i said

First, he was and alpha so he didn’t know how a omega protect himself. Second, he never discovered a good suppressants for him, Hesso discovered them form him after the pregnancy and plis stop saying that he has to do things because Dojin can’t keep it in his pants. HE RAPED HIM, so hyesung can do whatever he want whit Dojins house and Dijon’s money, he also can give two fucks about him. And he didn’t do any fucking bad thing to Byul, the yelling part is so fucking normal you all are acting like you parents never screamed at you, he just yelled at him and that’s was all of that. And he “abandoned” byul when he was born because he wasn’t prepared for having a child, so just imagine that one day you discovered that you are an omega, and alpha raped you and yo get pregnant so you have to have the child because the alpha want it. Yeah, fucking difficult. Literally I thing you all are so pathetic defending Dojin saying that hyesung is bad whit him, well he never wanted to be with him so is fucking normal that he didn’t have to be a good person with him. Now in the manhwa they are a lovely dovely couple and the two of them are learning a lot of things so can you just shut up about hyesung? Thanks

Oh wow I'm completely surprised how you attempt to justify an irresponsible, stubborn, free-loading 20-year old. You're obviously clouded with the "lovey-dovey" atmosphere portrayed in the recent chapters. I bet if you reread the story you'd change your mind cause I most definitely did. I am, in no way, justifying Dojin's actions. He fucked up. But who says Hyesung didn't? Hyesung's character development was by far the most frustrating. News flash, Dojin was a prejudiced asshole deprived of omegas and drawn to natural instincts. But Hyesung was also a naive block-head with an attitude that needs counseling.

"You won't give me 30M? I'll abort the baby right now."
"3M won? Who would take you up on that?"
"Who cares? He's loaded anyway."

Dojin has his flaws but you can't possibly be validating Hyesung incapability of engaging in basic human manners. I lost most of my empathy for Hyesung when he decided a baby was no big deal as long as he was given the money for it. Pitiful.

First of all, I should mind you that Hyesung lived a very harsh life since childhood. His mother left him, his father is literal trash, his grandma did not give fucks about him. So if he ever see an opportunity at having a better life, Dojin's offer for him to stay at his house for example, of course he would accept it. In addition, he is actually really willing to go out of Dojin's house, he just did not have enough money to rent and find a new one. That is why when his friend from highschool offered to stay with him, he immediately agreed to his offer.

Second, Hyesung at those times did not know how to handle his heat since all his life, he knew he is an alpha. The time he actually got medication is that time he is with Heesoo. Being an omega is something Heesoo's isn't used to.

Third, Dojin is strong, he literally can just grab Hyesung and lock him inside a room and try to find medicine, just like what Heesoo did. But no, he did not and therefore forced himself. In fact, recessive omegas have a harder time to control their heat because of how unstable it is

Fourth, in the first place he did not want to have a baby and who would like to have a baby with someone who did that. Like the initial reaction is not wanting to have it. And again, I will stress what I said in the first point, if Hyesung finds an opportunity that can ease his life, he will take it therefore which lead to him making that offer.

Yes, initially Hyesung's character isn't likeable but throughout the series, he is changing little by little. From not wanting to have the baby to taking care of it and even making the Park Family accept Byul. To being really bratty to being a responsible parent, an example when he chose to go home early instead of going to after-parties.

At the second paragraph, I mean Hyesung's the one not is used at being omega, not Heesoo

He Did Not Know He Was an Omega. That was literally the entire point of the first fucking arc