I want to inject this whole manga onto my system
It's better than crack I fear. Those juicy ass. Sensei you lucky mf. I want junpei too
The sex tape literally ruined it for me. It's a shame that it actually could've led to discussing consent and boundaries but the author just ignored it.
This was so unnecessarily hot. What the hell
Emotional vulnerability is pretty hot, yeah. ^^
Love their expressions also!
It honestly was so cute until the fourth chapter. If it stopped there I honestly wouldn't have anything to say other than "wow, that was nice!"
The thing that really turned me off was the fact that I honestly didn't see any interesting from the ML to the MC. That left me with quite a lot of questions about their relationship: Did the ML love the MC, or did he saw him as a push over friend with benefits? After the fight we dont see any really major sadness about the fact that they won't see each other, especially from the ML, did he really didn’t care about our MC? If the MC didn’t come with the baby, would the ML send him off? Did the ML find the "family" more in the baby, rather than MC? Would there be a difference, if the ML found the baby at his doorstep without the MC?
I also just felt more of an interest in the sexual aspect more from the MC (if not the dick comment (which, again, the ML didn’t answer the MC when he asked if that's the only thing he loves about him). I just felt like a lot of the sex was mostly one-sided.
I think it could've been done better if the author added a little more inner monolog (which I honestly was expecting) but oh well.
i think ml had loved mc from the beginning because he was different than the rest, he just had super strong connections to his gang which he considered to be his family because he grew up with the responsibility of caring for those younger than him, it's kind of his purpose in life. so when mc asked him to leave the gang, it was the same thing as asking him to leave his family and to forget his purpose, and that ended up pushing them apart. when his closest friend, the one he grew up with, told him he was starting his own family and leaving the gang, my only guess is that meant that the gang was disbanding which meant that ml lost his purpose. it was only until mc brought the baby with him was when ml finally found his purpose again and he realized that mc was also his family, therefore he wanted to love for the both of them from now on. i think a lot of it is hidden behind subtext and some was probably lost within translation, but i think in all of its entirety, it's just a cute little story about a family of 3!
Oh, I quite like your interpretation! I actually think it's pretty accurate, so thanks for explaining. I do agree that it could have been lost in translation, but still, I do wish there was some more insight from the ML.
You’re right! That’s why it shows him holding the baby with the island in the background.
10 more chapters of them being lovey-dovey together pleaaasseee.
Side note, I dont want to sound mean or anything, but i dont quite like their new artstyle... Maybe thats just me
yeah, Rio lost some of his cuteness :(
Guys, It's kinda creepy and disgusting sexually assaulting someone who is asleep and... can't consent
But idk maybe I'm too woke
u can read the other comments here when it comes to this. i respect ur opinion and yes, non consensual sexual acts r disgusting, but gather the context clues and re-analyze.
ideum is a bl writer. a novelist. he writes freaky shit. him and jaeyi must've talked about kinks and how cnc (consensual non consensual) and somnophilia is also a part of their agreement :D
plus, we have to remember ideum literally tried to suck off jaeyi when he was asleep hahahahahaha we have to remember that also happened.
so im p sure theyre ok with it.
ure not too woke, its fine, just learn next time that not ever bl couple is the same
Tbh ur whole comment is just a possibility, we dont know what they talked about.. And if a conversation like this wasnt shown to us, why assume it happened? Jaeyi literally acknowledged it was wrong when he mentioned ideum was asleep, if they had this so called conversation you’re talking about, you’d think he wouldn’t feel guilty in that situation. This is level 10 copaganda, just admit that your fav might just be a sexual assaulter and attempted rapist
In previous chapters, Ideum tried to suck Yaeji's cock while he was asleep. Why are you treating this like rape? It's obvious that both of them enjoy this kinky shit LMO
Why does this kink make you uncomfortable or surprise you? After all, the story started with a guy masturbating while thinking about his neighbor; even though he knew it made Yaeji uncomfortable, he kept using a dildo in front of him every day until he finally noticed.
That's the thing, you assume that they talked about it, but we as the readers didn't get any confirmation. And the same goes for Ideum, neither of them is okay. And I'm not assuming that every BL is the same? I just think that the author should've made it clearer that there would be characters engaging in SA (I'm referring to it as SA because, again, you're assuming that Ideum is okay with it), either through the characters agreeing to it or something similar.
It doesn’t matter if he enjoyed it, the point is that he didn’t have his consent before? Did jaeyi get ideums consent to pull down his pants and finger him? Did he enjoy it while he was sleeping?? It’s attempted rape because he clearly had intentions to keep on going even if he hadn’t waken up. And whats with all of you mentioned that ideum is also a sexual assaulter? I don’t remember that part, but if you swear it happened, then he’s a sexual assaulter too? Sexual assault does make me uncomfortable, if they had talked about it before then there wouldn’t be a problem. Kinks rely on consent, there was no consent involved??
Again, there should be consent. You're assuming that there was consent. Until there wasn't proven consent it's sexual assault. Also, kinks also require... consent
You're so right!
Ideum masturbated in front of Jaeyi without his consent, and he did so knowing full well that it made Jaeyi uncomfortable. It seems like this shit bothers you more than it does Ideum himself—a fetishistic, perverted character who enjoys that kind of kink.
It definitely implied consent obviously not explicit which I’m sure most people hope for. But this is coming from a BL where someone masturbates multiple times in front of the other person without consent, the bottom fantasize about a random man coming into the door and assaulting him, where the bottom tries to give a blow job while the other person sleeps. If you don’t like that kink I would recommend stopping because there’s been already been several chapters of unconsented stuff happening
No don’t let them silence you, having sex with with a sleeping person is rape, don’t know why some people are saying that’s it’s not…
Again, you're assuming. And where was it implied consent? Kinks require consent, until there's then it's sa from both side
It's the same people that think that fiction doesn't affect reality and that rape in bl is normal and if you don't like it that your vanilla.
I think it was implied in the first few chapters were he literally masturbates in front of a man who clearly voiced being uncomfortable about it. Their relationship went further when said man decided to accept it. And there’s also already multiple assault from the one that got assaulted right now. Believe it or not some people do have grape kink (I seen by the fantasizing about being assaulted by a random delivery guy). The entire premise of this story began with non-con kinks and it’s just continuing to be honest.
Again Ill acknowledge that in definition it is rape a noncon/dubcon. But the key word here is "us the readers". We are reading. Not witnesses to an assault. The first chapter was sexual harassment and most readers were like "haha so funny" but when the ml puts his dick in while the mc is asleep it is suddenly "too far"??
This is NOT me saying "fiction isnt reality boooo" because that is a lame argument and untrue.
Uh, this is me saying "is it worth discussing/arguing about still? Truly?
Anyways, I doubt that this story is gonna stop with these non-con kinks so you might as well just drop it now if it makes you uncomfortable :/.
It is. And because it is fiction doesnt mean it isnt. But many enjoy reading it, yes. I liked it when he stuck his dick in him while asleep. Now what do we do? Burn me?
You guys keep mentioning kinks as if theyre engaging in this consensually. Have your somnophilia kink, but engage in it consensually or else its not a kink. Its rape. Again, i do not care if ideum was enjoying it or did the same thing. Thats not my point. I am saying that because jaeyi DIDNT get consent beforehand, that what he did was sexual assault. Fantasizing things are different, im not gonna address it cause your logic doesnt make sense. Its not like jaeyi knew about it, so its not relevant.
In that regard, wouldn't they both be the harasser/assaulter who agreed to be in a kinky relationship?
If they wanna be in a situationship- no, no, let me rephrase.
If the author wants to write their characters in a kinky situationship
..let them
this whole thing started off from sexual harassment, coming from the uke. the uke is a sexual harraser from the start. why are you still reading the story if that's not your cup of tea?
the plot revolved around Ideum being a bl smut writer, jaeyi already read his work, he know how much of a pervert ideum is and he still goes on with it. they're trying out common kinks in every chapters and somnophilia is a common kink to have.
then ideum also suck jaeyi off when he's still in asleep, which jaeyi don't mind. they don't say anything but since they didn't, it mean both of them don't mind. they have a blanket consent going on. I don't remember ANYONE complain about it. did you skip chapters or are you okay when he did it and suddenly not when jaeyi did it.
I'd agree with you if it's another bl cuz it IS SA there but they're both a pervert here
And you kept reading after Jaeyi ALSO GOT A BLOWJOB FALL ASLEEP??? While his neighbor purposely masturbates to his window for more than a few days after he told said just stop?? why didn’t you drop it then why did you say anything about it then???
Fr. Like you can enjoy whatever you want, but when it comes to the point where you are so desensitized that you can’t even see when something is obviously rape anymore, then it might be time to get some help…
Thissss
I can't get over the amnesia of people who want to cancel the story because of a kink—and act surprised by it—when the story actually started with a guy using his neighbor to write his erotic fantasies and masturbating in front of him on purpose so he’d see, even knowing it made Yaeji uncomfortable.
Oh, you mean that kink that requires consent? Yes im sorry that sexual assault bothers me and not ideum, we clearly have 2 very different moral compasses Or, incase you didn’t read, he let it slide because of what jaeyi said. About him getting to fuck him whenever he wants?
Jesus christ, the author can do whatever they want, the only thing I want is for them to make the characters convey consent. Again, for now there is none, what's so hard to understand
Maybe reflect why?
Gurl PLEASE
Not this conversation again—you guys always trot out that argument to debate some fictional bullshit. If you’re aware that you’re reading a caricatured work of fiction—something that has absolutely no impact on your actual reality—and if you possess enough critical thinking skills as an individual, then surely you realize this shit isn't going to drive you to go fuck someone while they're asleep, right?
Well... yeah? There's definitely a difference between the two sa, because one is borderline rape?
And yes, it's worth discussing when there are people who imagine some sort of consent in this situation when there was literally zero
We understand babes. The issue is: if thats what you want we hear you. Go find a consensual story. It isnt difficult for authors. It is a PORNO. Most pornos dont have prep.
This is also a story, so it is plot oriented. Im jot saying this isnt dubious. What is your point then?
Gutl YES
This thread from you reads less like discussion and more arguing though. You even said "moral compass". Yikes.it isnt morslly wrong for an adult to get off to porn without a second thought.
This doesnt perpetuate rape culture unless the person reading doesnt understand rape, and since we dont know if ideum said yes or no, it doesnt matter
Because it wasnt real. Please.
This is high-key kink shaming atp
Jesus, that's what I'm saying! It's crazy that people argue and deny it when it's so obvious
If that makes you sleep at night
IM ACTUALLY DYINGGG, what are we even talking about atp
SA that people aren't willing to admit as SA?
Like someone said I don’t have amnesia now. Consent was NEVER considered since chapter 1. You should’ve dropped it then if it really bothered you that much. There’s a lot of good out there that have explicit conversations about kinks and what not. This is not one of them. That evidence is in chapter 1
Literally dont see the issue with adults imagining consent inbetween the sleeping period, and those who didnt. Because they all read the same story. Because we dont know because it wasnt real dawg. This is so oddly specific, what a tiring argument.
This doesnt help the discussion AT ALL. it feels more like you are trying to get your personal opinion across wothout acknowledging the before hand already states
This whole thing you said is just crazy. A character has been asleep while someone SA'd them, and a whole lot of people argue that it's okay, and you say that it doesn't perpetuate rape culture?
I actually skimmed through the entire story to see wtf you were talking about, not sure where you guys got the blowjob thing (give me the chap cause i didnt see it), but ideum only kept going because jaeyi was looking at his window even when he wasn’t doing anything. When they see each other again, he quite literally apologizes if he read him wrong and said to call the police if so.
Not crazy actually. Yes. It doesn't perpetuate rape culture. Those who read it and think it is okay, and go outside and rspe somebody does.
Being a legal adult and having fantasies, morally ambiguous or not, is normal. And it took me a long time to getnover my guilt and realize that. I tjink if you read my other comments youd be less demeaning
Bruh. Youre being immature and that is not helping your point. What do you wsnt me to do? Email alllll authors to ensure their fictional porn characters say "yes" everytime?
Youd be BAFFLED to hear I understood and agree with you, but since Im adding on from the flip side, you seem to think I disagree...
You just like reading rape ? Plain and simple
This!
Now you’re just adding to the conversation to something else. No one is saying that rape is OK. People are saying that they obviously have non-con kinks. When you actually have reading literacy, not everything need to be spelled out to you for you to understand what this author is writing. You’ve ignored the whole argument that they started as a non-con storyline. I remember seeing ads for (Ch 1 again) this and it was pretty explicit about how he was sexually harassing his neighbor through the window and his neighbor barged in -OHHH WHAT HAPPENS NEXT? Literally 101 non-con porn ad bruh
The somnophilia and dubious consent. Some adults are into that. Consensually. But sinxe this is a story, were allowed to have fantasies. That doesnt make anyone morslly lower or higher than the other.
You wouldve been a great addition to my tag team during the Jinx arguments
I hope you were defending song of the wasteland as much as you’re defending this rn
Literally, Ideum kept masturbating in front of his window, intending for Yaeji to see—even after that talk where Yaeji told him to cut the crap. Their relationship started out in a very fetishistic way; are you really going to tell me Ideum didn't use his neighbor to act out his sexual fantasies and masturbate in front of him, even when Yaeji felt uncomfortable? If you argue that it didn't come across that way—because Yaeji eventually went along with it—well, it amounts to the same thing. Don't you think?
There’s literally a chapter where Ideum imagines a stranger breaking into his house to fuck him—LMAO, Ideum is totally grateful to wake up with a cock in his ass—and you guys are trying to cancel the story over a kink that both of them have.
Fucking thank you. Rape, dubcon, and non con arent okay! And if you dont like it in stories thats okay too! I often dont. It was so soft here, and let us know since chapter one that it would be dubious and freaky. Christ!
its not dubious consent if he was sleeping. It was rape, it was sexual assault. Dubious consent at least requires a signal of you enjoying it or consenting to it, ideum was asleep. In what world could he have done any of that? I dont even wanna get into morality because you guys would deadass look me in the eye and say “contributing to rape culture isnt morally wrong, its just a fantasy”
People. People. All of you defending this: bless you. I appreciate you acknowledging it is dubcon/rape and being mature enough to differentiate reality and fiction while acknowledging it.
To those arguing against noncon/rape: using this energy would be much better spent to help irl victims. Just saying.
There is media that perpetuates rape culture for sure Some pornos and songs, some would say every type of porn.
I promise you, it doesnt. Or it wouldve been all over the news and cancled over night.
Weve had rape in porn since before the 80s. Please. Please be so for real. The character liked it. If he didnt, I'd probably drop and it and go about my day. But youd still be here arguing that it is bad to people who know that already. Be real.
oh my godddd, ITS NOT ABOUT IF IDEUM IS OKAYY. Are you actually slow??? I have no clue how many times i have mentioned this, but jaeyi could not have known that he fantasized about that, and even if he did, a fantasy is not consent???
RAHHHHH I know the difference Im fucking 45 years old gurl PLEASE. You are definitely not listening atp. Thanks you, but youre simply too argumentive. I saw your pov. Sorry you couldnt see mine. Jave a nice day, stay safe, you better log off this cannot be healthy for anyone
BECAUSE IEDUM ISNT REAL
And what does that goddamn story—with its obvious power dynamic between the white savior and his faithful submissive top, based on a real historical event where it was painfully clear the author didn't even bother to research the context—have to do with this piece of shit we're discussing?
What is up with you guys using victims to get out of this argument Go spend the time you’re commenting to help victims then
Why do you rhink that about us? Yikes! Im usually arguing against rape porn. Honey boo boo, unfortunately,vyou are the srgumentive morslly hogh horsed person they warned me about. That is sad to see because while your heart is in the right place your srgument is flawed so bad, it can only lead me to believe that you dont truly care about rape issues and are in it to argue
Youre doing more hsrm than good. I can assure you of that. You need more nuance in your life
Im literally hearing impaired and listen better than you. IIM ON YOUR SIDE YOU OVERGROWN TOENAIL You cannot be this slow
Why do you talk like Ideum is real? LMAO
FOR REAL. I dont rhink they know what tape culture is atp, theyre just arguing to be morslly rightous and defend fake characters with fake feelings, rather rhan acknowledge there are SERIOUS issues that DO contibute to rape porn. God forbid a horny adult has fantasies. This is. Sad to see.
I actually find it HILARIOUS that you say this, considering the victims of slavery that you apparently care SO much about were raped and sexually assaulted. I mentioned it because your argument completely falls through once we mention the racist aspect of it, i thought you could use your critical thinking skills to realize a white savior trope is bad, so why are you so against that story? Your moral compass is shit lmao, and i had a feeling you would be a hypocrite
Lack of nuance shown again :( yikers.
Tf are you even talking about You’ve been arguing against me the entire time, and even replied later to that exact comment going against me ☠
It’s sad to see people with so little judgment and analytical ability. They’ve spent twenty messages going round in circles over the same trivial nonsense regarding a cartoon, as if there weren't real-world crap happening right now—outside of this fictional stuff—that’s actually affecting real people.
Im not talking like anyone is real, im just a bit heated and tbh i think im getting ragebaited by the rapeslop lovers.
Hahaha, you're comparing a real historical event to justify your shitty argument with some fictional crap.
If you actually read what I wrote—because where the hell did you get all that shit? Hahaha.
“I can excuse rape… but i draw the line at racism…” okay, last ragebait, swear to god LMAOOO.. this was fun, hope i see ur ignorant ass somewhere else someday
This doesn't perpetuate rape culture and I stand by that. Acknowledging and enjoying morally ambiguous stories as a legal adult doesnt harm anyone.
Alowinf access to these pornos (or porn in general) to young minds is the issuem
I used to srgue to the ends of the earth that rape in all porn is bad.
It isnt. And it doesnt affect the culture. It depends on the story. But foremost it depends who reads it.
Im not reading this going "oho cant wait to see someone get raped" Im reading a porn. And Im thinking "damn, ass, dick, tiddies, hawt". And if it gets too hardcore? I either leave a comment saying "I didnt care for this/I didnt like how there was rape in this story"
"Rape slop enjoyers" Wow! Never been on the receiving end of that one. Jinx is rape slop
This is...just porn. Can we be so fr
You’re doing the same thing…
I'm talking about real slavery, not your stupid discomfort caused by a few pixels in a work of fiction—are you retarded?
Sub genre of people who hate jinx but condone rape in other stories lmaooo
Sorry I have critical thinking skills and understand nuance and how not all porn perpetuated rape culture? My bad for understanding everyone's point of view and being a middle ground, damn. This story is not harming anyone sweetheart.
I first CONVERSED with you. Then you started arguing. Girl.
"condone rape" so now we're getting off to arguing with people online hun?
Youre assuming sooo much about me. What do you benefit from this?
Everything youre all telling me is something I learned decades ago, understood, and agreed with. Why dont you understand that part?
Fiction doesn't have to be moralizing or activist, nor do the characters need to teach you the difference between right and wrong; it’s up to you to have enough critical thinking to discern that what you’re reading has no real impact on your fucking reality. If the mere depiction of evil tempts you to imitate it, then you should rethink your own values; perhaps your morality relies entirely on a fiction to be shaped (...which depends on you as an individual—how easily influenced you are).
Fiction can be presented through various narratives that—depending on the author's intent—lend themselves to analysis, questioning, and even debate... but if you are impressionable enough to want to imitate a caricatured version of fiction and place it on the same level as damn reality, then you are totally screwed.
Slurs as an insult, ur woke title is officially revoked Im really confused on what you’re talking about, slavery was real, yes that work was ignorant, but you condone rape !? As if real people haven’t gotten raped? And these pixels that depict graphic rape as a pinch of salt is a problem lol
This person is the typical moralizer who complains about the story because it makes them uncomfortable, yet they’ll surely keep reading and complain again because it doesn't suit their personal taste.
So confused, “imitate”? Whos imitating anything? Can somebody PLEASE tell me what we’re talking about, i not once mentioned fiction affecting reality Whats with all this stuff i never claimed, and it wasnt even relevant to my ragebait
There isnt anyrhing wrong with an imaginary fantasy. That is what fiction is FOR. Why dont you guys understand that?
If it was straight up abuse after abuse of rape, glorifying it and fetishizing it, that would be included in rape culture.
As silly as it sounds.
I already acknowledged the dubious consent in this story multiple times, and I agree the conversations are important. This isnt an unpopular opinion.
The issue is you guilt tripping and saying people arent morally right in their heads for enjoying a personal fantasy. It will always exist.
Sorry you dont like that, truly.
And I mean it when I said you could spend this energy on actual issues or on media that outwardly condones rape and rape culture.
Porn, at the end of the day, will always have rape and be dubious. But since it is in fiction, it isnt always read that wsy. Reading and engaging and enjoying a fantasy is, in fact, harmless.
Promoting rape, abuse, or raping someone irl is wayyyyy different my guy. I wasnt using victims as "an excuse to get out of argument".
I mean it. How does this benefit you? How are you helping stop rape cukture by going in circles with people who understand but disagree with you? How? You havent answered many of my questions, but yoube jumped to calling me a rapeslop enjoyed and saying that the morsl compass is gone.
How.
I believe if we barred what fantasies are allowed in fiction, thatd be considered removing a freedom of choice. If someone has a fantasy of being forced/forcing someonez that is their fantasy. As long as they know it is fantasy.
Personally I dont like that. You dont see me hunting them down and saying that perpetuates rape cukture.
There is sooo much media that does, and terribly. But you chose....a gay porn? Which the entire premise is about a porn writer who does morally ambiguous things and then has morslly ambiguous things done to him in return?
The world kept spinning.
Okay you agree with me then (supposedly, despite arguing against me) go enjoy the (rape) fantasies that adults can have and leave me alone then LMAOOO
Thats so funny because thats the srgument I use against people that ACTUALLY CONDONE RAPE.
Im the middle person but you WANT me to be a rapist sooo bad so you can feel better. Why?
Hahaha, they were calling me "woke." I don't need to label myself just to oppose a genocide or join a social cause, girl. Get out into the real world. Things don't boil down to shitty buzzwords. Don't be so simplistic.
And the story doesnt make me uncomfortable. I am very uncomfortable with how you guys are set on making others uncomfortable instead of handling irl issues.
This isnt harming people.
I used to argue that it does.
Then I fucking grew up.
It is just disappointing to see a serious issue- rape- get watered down to this. An argument.
I think if you dislike rape in fiction thats fine, but you only argued, never discussed your perspective, so now we have this bastardized thread that goes in circles.
I can only assume you think youre actually doing something right. Youre just making the conversation harder to have, and in the end, youre making it dofficult for people to take irl rape seriously
Which is ALREADY NOT TAKEN SERIOUSLY MIGHT I ADD
It is easier to take a stance within a work of fiction and feel totally outraged by an event that carries no real weight than to take action in the real world, because we know that arguing about this shit won't have any real effect on our lives.
That's why many people find it easier to establish themselves in fiction than to do something in real life.
Why are you so against adults doing adult things safely then? Id rather learn the dude next to mean reads about futa getting gangbanged everyday rather than he is an actual rapist. Dtark difference.
Also. It is normal for people to have intrusive thoughts of murder. Does thinking about murder MAKE me a murderer? Does reading furry porn perpetuate beastiality? Does reading BDSM porn perpetuate abuse? Cmon man.
Eloquently stated.
oh god, im sorry to tell you this but… you’re not the only person i argue with.. I wasnt only referring to you as “rapeslop lover”, but if the shoe fits… And i do spend all this energy going against media that promotes rape culture. Im not sure how this benefits you, but that side of the conversation never matters. What matters is only how it benefits me, no comment towards you guys who are also wasting their energy arguing on the internet LMAOO.
I never said your moral compass is gone, i said the other persons moral compass is shit because they’re a hypocrite. Again, if the shoe fits, feel free to also refer to your moral compass as shit..
I never guilt tripped anybody..? I think this conversation steered from nice to see you to other works that contain rape. Because at the end of the day, your arguments just defend those works too. And what fantasies did i say were morally wrong? Rape fantasies?
And im not even GONNNAAAA address what you classify as contributing to rape culture, you’re just contradicting yourself.
I responded with "you" as in second pov not you you as a person btw
IM CRYINGG, you couldnt even tell my comment was ragebait and i was telling you right to your face I thought you could tell it was a joke, sorry for thinking things boil down to shitty buzzwords LMAOO
Aura moment…
Im not contradictory. There is nuance in what I say. I already discussed with many people about this stories and other stories without getting heated. I talked for and against this story. This is the only thread that got heated with you...
Without nuance we have "good and bad" and that just leads to toxicity and ridgid lines. What do we define as good or bad? Who decides that? Is it a grey line or an absolute? You definitely need to do more research on the human psyche my friend. This doesnt perpetuate rape culture. Snd Ill add again: youre just doing more harm than good.
Do you want to bam porn? How would you resolve this.
And is it sooo hard for you to discuss with people without throwing insults, being petty, or immature? It makes it hard to keep track of what youre saying seriously and what is being said to defend your self
And was the joke supposed to be funny?
What?
Nevermind. Its hard to keep track of who actually cares about rape as an issue and who is here to just ragebait. Makes the conversation muddy
Apparently, she only cares about abuse when it's fiction.
lots of things to reply to if you’re using fiction as an outlet to not actually rape people, you’re weird lol. You can engage in that kink safely, with consent. And if the media you consume is whats STOPPING you from actually harming someone, you’re just mentally ill? And enough, i thought you hated media that fetishizes rape? Because thats what contributes to rape culture (your words). i actually want to acknowledge that, my rape fantasy comment was wrong. Yes it’s normal for you to have those fantasies. But does that just give you a pass to contribute to rape culture because you like reading gay men get graphically raped? No. I never claimed reading this stuff would make you anything Furry porn is hmmm, what do you call it when they make animals like humans? Yeah whatever they call that lol. Bdsm relies on consent, what abuse
I thought it was hilarious, humor is subjective ofc tho
You know what reeeeeally perpetuates rape culture? Calling everything rape.
"We're acknowledging whats been disregarded as rape" I hear you. Not too long ago, maritial rape didnt exist. In some places it still does :(
Yes. Theres rape in this porn.
Theyre not real.
Yes. Fiction reflects reality.
No one was harmed reading this.
Yes. Rape culture is bad and growing worse.
But how did this help your cause?
Yes. Rape is bad.
Want a goddamned cookie kid? This is why we arent taken seriously when we comment, "that shouldntve happened/that made me uncomfortable/this story rook a turn". Youre actually making it harder for us by *checks notes* ensuring the shoe fits...ha.
If me being a survivor (we're not fuking victims, we SURVIVE) can understand the difference between reality and fiction, AND how fiction affects reality just the same, and can tell the difference between your every day porn VS media that heavily influenced and perpetuates rape culture, why cant you? I think this story just isnt forbyou and you werent able to come to terms with that.
And yet that makes me a part of the problem in your eyes somehow? Nuance is so important in these doscussions. Porn itself id already srgued against and full of ambigous moral shit. It wont ever go away is my point. And thats fine.
The real issues lie in...deep internet porn. Like...cutting and mutilating and raping people porn. On the dark webs.
This doesnt. Not hecause it doesnt have rape in it. But hecause ir doesnt glorify it and that was the whole premise. Stop kids from reading porn instead, rsther than arguing with adults that can tell the difference. There is nothing wrong with this or reading it, but I understand why you would disagree. Please. Ive been more than tolerant and understanding. Where did you ever take time to look into what Im saying other than get defensive and argue the same overused and useless point?
Im sorry if anything I said upset you, or if you found this comic upsetting. I big you a peaceful night. Goodbye (if youre open to ACTUAL conversation, my dms are open to all, always. As long as you dont dox me or smth lmao)
Here comes the censorship line…. Its okay, we can end this conversation here..
Brother. I am clinically retarded and still, I dont believe I could sound like you. Goodnight, sorry adults being safe and reading porn is so bad.
Holy shitttt yeah, youre just a ragebaiter. Id say a good one, but this is a serious discussion regardig rape dude. This is. A porn. They dont NEED consent because theyre not real.
Wow… you really just spew whatever… vague argument considering “we’re” arguing against rape porn
I cant believe this is how I used to sound like I was actually making a difference.
That is embarrassing to be on the other end.
Okay so then sybau talking about how romanticizing and fetishizing rape in fiction is bad and contributes to rape culture?
Gosh, i wonder what difference you’re making.. o mighty changer
That would be me mimicking you, glad it was good enough for ya
i thought this was a serious conversation Ragebait isnt allowed, and what vague stuff did i say? I thought i kept it pretty on topic
Aside from my ragebait
Im in Africa! :) we are stopping the mutilation of female genetailia (FGM), because men lover power and are disgusting no matter where you go.
Goodnight. Sorry you guys cant tell the difference between an actual issue and a non issue. I hope you'll be able to in the near future.
Thats actually amazing. I myself don’t have the resources for that, but just as my online argument doesnt change anything, neither does yours. So im confused on why you mention it at all
Yk what else is disgusting and creepy? Displaying your exhibition kink to a man who keeps telling you to stop. Looks like they’re on the same level now.