I said to myself I wouldn't join these types of discussions, but I need to say somethings.
Yes, the last chapter was disturbing and it was rape. There's nothing we can say about it. But their relationship was not healthy from the start. That's a fact, so I don't see why people are complaining so much now.
But more important than anything is the fact that THIS IS FICCTION! Yes, I had to write like this because, damn, some people don't understand. Don't say the author is sick or people who like this manga are sick, because they're not. People have different tastes and that's normal. I don't like gore, so I just don't read a manga with gore, but someone who reads something like this is normal.
So if you play GTA, it means you can't drive? Or if you watched Assassination Classroom, it means you are trying to kill a alien who happens to be your teacher? So I should be in NBA, because I read Slam Dunk.
Personally, I didn't like the last chapter, but I like the manga as whole, so I'll keep reading. If that destroyed the story to you, go read something else and be happy.
But you can't say that everyone who likes this manga is crazy or support rape, because that's totally not true. This is just a manga, people are much more than a manga they like.
I know I'm only in the first chapter, I like the fluffly, I like the art, the plot, but... most of times I don't know who is talking. I'm serious, when they were talking about their parents, I thought the whole time the one who was talking about working all the time in a part job to forgot their loneliness was Ikai, but then some pages later was the main guy. Early, in the cab, I got confused about who said "I hate people like you".
Maybe I'm just tired, but it's really weird, it's like looking at raws, I have a idea about what's going on but don't really know.
But it's so good and the comments here are so good that I'll continue read... maybe after sleeping a little. lol
Guys, help me out a bit. In chapter 3 (page 90), Shinoyama was there with Misono, trying to take his clothes off and all, then comes two guys and one is holding the spying equipment Shinoyama put in the flowers and I first thought this guy was Agatsuma, but then he see what Shinoyama was doing and says he'll go downstairs till Shionoyama finish this.
So this guy is Agatsuma? If he is, why did he did that? He should just punch Shinoyama in the face (like he did after that)?
If this guy isn't Shionoyama, then who is him? How he get the equipment? And how Agatsuma got there?
Can anyone help me? Thanks a lot in advance!
The two guys that were in the room, the one holding the spy equipment was Agatsuma and the other guy behing him was probably one Shinoyama's friend because Agatsuma forced him to tell him where Shinoyama lived. And the reason why Agatsuma left after seeing the almost sex scene was probably because at first he didn't realise that the other guy was Misono, he thought that it was someone else and that he was interrupting.
I am not really sure if this is right or not but that's how I interpreted, hope it was helpful
Thanks a lot! Now it's more clear to me!ヾ(❀╹◡╹)ﾉ~
I really really really need more chapters with them, they are my favorite couple and they really need more chapters. And let's not forget about Yuu, I want to see him getting a happy ending (not with Chiaki lol) and being ok with being just friends with Chiaki (and probably Hatori would still a little bit jealous, but that's alright).
Does anyone knows why sensei stop their story in the manga (yes, I know there's a novel, but she start to put their story in manga, so why stop?) and if there is going to be more chapters with them?
I've read somewhere that this couple isnt so popular because their first sexual interaction was rape, but i'm not sure if the source is believable or not. Anyways I'm all in for mor Tori because he's too wonderful~ and lets be real here, there are soo many yaoi manga which includes rape but are popular no matter what.
Totally! And the rape part is from the novel that was not wrote by sensei (yes, I know she propably approved the contente, but it doesn't happen in the manga). And just want more scenes with them, I don't understand why start to write about a couple and then totally forget about them!
I'm reading chapter 23 and they mentioned Ayato. Who is him? What is the first chapter he appears? Thank you!
He is a porno star ╮(￣▽￣)╭ you can see him for the first time in chapter 17
Oh, right. Now I remember him, thanks a lot!
no problem (⌒▽⌒)
I don't understand. It's chapter 30 and then it goes to chapter 53? Are there some chapters missing?
Someone said below that after read chapter 30 you should go to chapter 62, because chapters between them are not in order, but these chapterss (53-62) are they reupdate (and renamed) in order? I'm confused.
I was confused as well. I think looking at this will make it clearer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Big_Windup!_chapters
Basically if you look at the description for volume 16 it says it includes chapters 29-30 which are Afternoon chapters 59-63 where Afternoon is the magazine it's published in. I'm guessing this inconsistency is due to the author breaking her chapters into parts when publishing them.
So chapter 30 is not Afternoon chapter 30. It's likely Afternoon chapters 60 and 61 (it doesn't include 62 and 63 btw cas chapter 30 is actually incomplete). That's why it seems like the chapters jumped from 30 to 50 something. It's actually that they stopped uploading the chapters as 25.1, 25.2, etc and instead started uploading them by their Afternoon chapter number.
So you should continue reading at chapter 62 since it's actually Afternoon chapter 62. Hope that wasn't confusing x.x
Btw if you go and look at chapter 53 you'll see that it's actually either 25.3 or 25.4
Thanks to who translated this! I'm so happy to finally understand what is going on! Thanks a lot!
It's not complete in japanese either in fact col 14 is gonna come out in march :3
*vol 14
Ah shit i replied to thw wrong person xD
I'm not sure if I understand the end, so please, if don't finished to read, don't read this because the are going to be a ton of spoilers.
So at the first I thought Eric was alive, but then I reread and I notice something "If there was another option...". Correct if I'm wrong, but if we think gramatically, when he says "If there was..." means that there is not another option.
And another thing that makes me a little confused is the last line "Not in the end. But beyond that...", so that makes me think that they only gonna be happy in afterlife and now I'm thinking that Eric died and maybe Shell killed himself to see Eric again and I'm crying.
Help me! What do you think? Did I make any sense or the lack of sleeping is affecting my intelligence?
I promise you Eric is 100% alive, Shell shot the metal piece and that kept Eric alive. Silb confirmed this on her Twitter.
I’ve interpreted it as this was their only option, to fake his death. So they have to keep their relationship a secret, they can’t live out a normal happy couple life like they want. I’m curious to see what others say. But all I can promise you that they’re both alive,
THANK YOU! I didn't know the author confirmed that Eric was alive, now I'm feeling much better! ╮(￣▽￣)╭
And, yeah, what you said makes completely sense, thanks a lot for answering!
Eric is alive and he lives somewhere near his mothers grave.Shell and Eric unfortunately can only see each other once a month in secret and they are not as happy as they and we all would wish too.The ending is bitter sweet because the climate is changing and its certain that the vampires Shell included will not be able to survive at all anymore.And on one hand that is good for the humans but you know bad for vampires and the beloved couple that will have to separate.But even if Shell dies first Eric will soon follow because since everyone thinks he is a traitor and consider him dead he has to keep his excistense secret and his identity too.So Eric doesn't have a job or any source of income.Shell supports him even for the basics.And Eric really has no potential or a future so i assume that soon after Shell is gone forever, Eric will follow.And they can be happy together for eternity in another world/life.
I don't understand a thing about this manga, so please, help this stupid fujoshi here.
First chapter Kei and Ranmaru seems to dislike other and make out, okay. Then, in the second chapter they are all love-dovey thing without even talk about what happened between them. Confusing, but still okay.
Then, Kei is thinking about his family and a car hits Ranmaru. Okay, but Ranmaru and him were together? Kei left for work and Ranmaruu stay at home (probably his own, but that was not explained).
And Ranmaru was hugging him in the hospital, but they were close enough for Ranmaru to save Kei's life risking his own? Or this is something in a different timeline from the first chapter (past or future)?
I'm so excited about this manga because I never saw no one dislike, but it seems to confuse for me, so please help me!
And now Ranmaru is totally okay at home talking to Kei. WTF is going on????
don't skip on dialogues, and it's good to reread. also, there will be a flashback on the later chapter to explain things. they do not hate each other. they are somewhat a tension-filled rival and bestfriends. ran is just tsundere.
it doesn't have to be a sappy verbal agreement to see that they are together. they started as physical relationship but that's just an excuse for the both of them.
and again, for your third question. they are bestfriends/childhood friend. come college, they used an apartment that ranmaru's family own and lived there together. it will only be revealed in the later chapter so read the whole story first and let it flow. the answers are there.
if it helps, read my review above as i made little recaps on each volume.
Thanks for clarify, I think it's better to read this when I'm not tired so I can pay more attention to the dialogues. lmao
Oh, I read no idea about their relationshop before and I'll totally read you review, thanks again for answer!
Alright, now I'm really mad! I mean, this manga was cute from the beginning, the whole plot 'till volume 4 was Yuuji losing his virginity and when that happens was a piece of crap! Saborou sound so out-of-character and a dick saying Yuuji was not allowed to say he wants to stop before things have started that night and that he don't want to hear he is backing off. Yuuji was very drunk and visibly afraid and he just pushed the guy. Alright, Yuuji allowed everything and even continue when he was in pain, but sounded so rape-ish the way he talk. Really, I felt I read a rape scene.
Now, I don't have problem with ficctional rape and I know there are mangas much more violent than this, but I felt like it was totally out of place, I mean, it doesn't need it for the sex to happen. This is not a Viewfinder that is full of violence or Junjou Romantica that was rape-ish for the beginning and that was the plot (and we don't see it happens as Usagi falls for Misaki).
I would like to wait more and see a real love scene with Saburou being lovable and understanding like he was the whole manga and Yuuji more confident and in the mood, like he was before sometimes. I love the author and the manga, but I really hate this scene.
I probably no one will read the whole thing (and maybe will disagree), but I'm so pissed that I needed to vent out!