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istg this community is so brainwashed into being desensitized to violent depictions of rape and abuse. we need to talk more about this in the community that enjoying rape porn is actually fucking sick

Don’t kink shame boring mf

by this logic, consuming media with murder, assault, and other crimes is also bad, but no one thinks like that lmao. fiction isn't reality, so don't treat it like it is.

The people defending this saying dont kink shame and comparing it to media with murder really do love their r*pe media huh. Anything to get by in this world feeling a little bit better about their sick fantasies, which they know arent right, and convincing other sick people like themselves it not a bad thing to consume and enjoy this media. Get a grip on your life, or maybe even better find eachother in real life and do this to one another i bet you will enjoy it and really keep rooting for more and more when someone is sa-ing you making your anus bleed. SOUND SO FUN AND EXCITING RIGHT

Yawnnnn must be a really idyllic and simple world to live in where fictional preferences equate to wanting the same thing to happen to you irl. Maybe you’re the one with the problem since you’re so eager to get into irl rape without ever being prompted.

Wait so what are fantasies? Why do you read for example romance novels? You just read them for fun and fantasy not because you like the idea and want to be in love with someone? Must be an idyllic world where u have 0 critical thinking skills. By your logic child and grown adult fiction is ok because its not real? Some people just want to read child and grown adult fiction? Thats ok? Sick people out there.

graphic depictions of murder are also not necessary. Yall forgot youre not just reading rape porn youre reading rape porn written under the guise of a romance story. It manipulates your perception, i see yall spout real rape apologist rhetoric constantly.

Thank you might gen be the most sane person that stumbled upon this site

People literally criticize gore too...

I don’t read romance novels. Not everyone reads stuff with a sense of fantasy fulfillment because they’re lacking it irl. And wtf is child and grown adult fiction supposed to mean. That’s like…all fiction

ROMANCE WHERE BRO

Sorry,, child and grown adult fiction is kinda taking me out. There are some sick freaks out there who enjoy grown adult fiction. Disgusting, truly.

Please learn how to differentiate between reality and fiction. Just because people enjoy something in fiction, does not mean they condone that shit in reality. I personally enjoy reading ff'ed up shit (so long it's fiction). Because the thing is, in reality that shit is bad. Anyone sane knows that. But because it's fiction it's honestly a whatever situation.

Shitty things are only shitty when they happen to real people, because said people actually have feelings, a life, etc. Fictional characters on the other hand, they don't. They are just characters created by someone real.

If you don't like this type of content, then don't engage with it.

i mean if it makes you feel better all these sickos are probably sweaty basement dwelling weirdos with no social life. the behavior being demonstrated is what happens when one exists in a community that fails to check this kind of behavior. but they just prove the point that it desensitizes you to horrific stuff. all and all, i say, much of the yaoi community consists of the equivalent to 4chan incels who brag about watching gore. and thats why i stay as far away from them as possible

well, tell me how many of these stories end with the rapist in jail, or narratively punished through social outcasting or humiliation? tell me how many of these stories discuss rape seriously, unpacking the impact on its victim and the work they must go through to recover? then tell me how many of these stories show the rapist having a sad backstory (an example if a narrative excusing actions) and the couple living happily ever after? I acknowledge you must be a child, but please digest what i just said carefully and reflect. understand what a narrative is, understand how rape should be depicted and discussed in media, and ask yourself the question… “Why must I view a graphically illustrated depiction of rape if it has a narrative purpose?” The answer is its porn. Authors who yearn to take rape seriously do not graphically depict it. Guiding Hazard is a good example. Taegun has been sex trafficked. We dont see it. But we see the consequences it has on his life, the way he struggles to trust, to accept drinks, and be truly intimate. Now tell me a story where rape is graphically depicted that does this work.

Yeah let ne say bad wording didnt know how much i can say on this site before i get banned but pedophilia. Is it okay for people to consume such media because its just their fantasy?

Didnt know what i could say on this site but whatever i meant pedophilia, is that ok to consume because its someones interest? If they claim they would never do it irl but enjoy consuming such content? No those people are sick and so are people anjoying rape content. Both are real life problema destroying lives but are made fantasies promoted by people like you minimising their existance

Btw saying something is fictional having no real life reprecussions is insane. How many stories on the internet infiuenced someone do to something sick that they had underlying in their mind, all because they saw it felt seen felt reassured they werent the only person thinking about it making it less extreme and less insane to do in their mind? Please dont make comment about fiction as if everything you consume doesnt affect who you are as a human being. Promoting shit like this only makes bad, nothing good comes out from content like this.

Agreed 100% sad world regret ever making an coount here 7 years ago

Calling me a child and then continuing to interact is definitely a choice. But to answer your question KILLING STALKING all the way bro. Yes the rape is gratuitous and yes Koogi panders like hell to fujoshis but it’s peak. Also Harada’s stuff. Deeply cerebral and psychological despite being shota incest underage porn half the time. I don’t really care if it’s graphically illustrated.

I also feel sad knowing that some people genuinely believe Revenge readers want to get anally raped. Must come with the malformed frontal lobe.

The idea that bad acts need to be punished so that the audience, who must surely be made of lobotomizes who think depiction = endorsement won’t get the wrong idea is truly hilarious to me. The whole “taking xyz seriously by dancing around it and peppering it in with flowery ass metaphors” is stupid. I’m not saying Revenge is some kind of masterpiece, but there are plenty of good stories where the gratuitous sexual violence is not only shown in excruciating detail, but also “not condemned” by the narrative. Because you know, we’re supposed to have critical thinking skills and cognitive ability to recognize that rape is bad irl.

I think children should be taught to know better. Also did you just admit you dont care about graphic depictions of child rape porn?

i didnt regret it till this max person just told me they read child porn

wow you have no shame. i think youre just a sociopath who needs help, who tf has no trouble admitting to liking literature with graphic depictions of CP?

Drawings are not child porn no matter how much you people want them to be. I’m not even a shota or loli fan. I’m just fine with reading stories about the terror and destruction of pedophilia even if they’re graphic.

I love Sakura Gari btw. Go read Sakura Gari.

If I were a sociopath I wouldn’t feel such terrible sorrow for the intellectual poverty on display with your comments…it’s so not PC to assume people have ASPD…I’m telling the yaoi hall monitor and you’ll be summarily kicked out of the group No Reason read-a-long.

Saying killing stalking is peak shows how intelectually behind you are. Please get some help so people around you dont have to interact with such an evil human being if i can call you that(doubtfull). Nobody called u a minor and if u are one i can understand the need to say studf like this to be “different” and edgy but you are not. If you are a minor dni because your brain OBVIOUSLY isnt fully developed and probably never will be by reading shit like this. Have. terrible life all the worst.

bro im not reading your illustrated child porn theyll put me on a list

go back to 4chan and stop moral posturing recommending i read incest child porn

lol right back at you. Group Jiwook poundings next week.

This is not the read you think it is. It’s literally a story about how pedophilia destroys a child and the belt of harm continuously harming kids. It’s explicit. The kind of people who think blunt storytelling = child porn are the ones who I think need to go back to 4chan because they don’t live in reality.

Killing Stalking is peak and I will continue to say so unless you give me some kind of cogent criticism for it other than “rape and murder in fiction BAD!!!!” You’re barely a person to me too so I guess we agree on that.

That is because people lack the ability to differentiate fiction from reality. Stories don't make people do something out of nowhere.

It just means that there always was something wrong with them in the first place. That, or if a story mentally affects them so badly, they made the error to disengage with said content.

I stand with what i said. Learn how to differentiate between reality and fiction, and if you can't do so, at least do your own mental health the better choice to disengage with contents you can't stand.

It really ain't that hard. People just like to blame fictional stories/video games/etc. over these sort of stuff, because it's easier to do so.

Example, a person who plays shooter games doesn't suddenly turn into a school shooter just because they are playing shooter games. The point is, that there is some really ff'ed up shit happening in their life, and they ain't getting the help they need, whether it's due to shitty enviroment or idek. Fictional content, doesn't just magically cause people to do stuff.

Sane people know how to differentiate between reality and fiction, that is exactly why they know that irl stuff like rape and all that kind of shit, is bad. For example, just because I read ff'ed up shit doesn't mean i condone it irl. If i see that stuff happen in fiction it's a whatever situation to me. Because fictional content doesn't affect me irl. I know it's fiction.

But let's say, i do end up having a really bad time and i cannot deal with dark stuff atm, the logical aspect would be not to engage with said content. So don't, if it affects you in a bad way.

Wish i could edit my messages to fix some misspelling man-

they made the error to not disengange with said content** is what i meant

The comparative made me weak lol

we are discussing GRAPHIC DEPICTIONS OF RAPE. if that isnt in that story, than dont use it to defend your case. rape and murder in media isnt bad, we are speaking about graphic pornographic depictions in narratively romantic stories. you are so off topic and you didnt answer my question. and if its true that story has graphic depictions of rape against children, then yes it is the read you think it is. you cannot claim to be discussing these topics while simultaneously producing graphic depictions od children being raped

also if you really are consuming illustrated child porn and live in the states, i hope you understand youre committing a literal crime. You claim drawing aren’t actual CP, that is not true under the law for obvious reasons. You are so out of touch, if you said what youre saying here to any normal person on the street theyd literally beat your ass

I think you are confusing this with works like niichan... Also yeah it can be cp if the depictions are pornified or too graphic. You dont need a real child for that, just like you dont need real gay men to call yaoi gay porn. Real children materials are csam.

They know they are wrong that is why they will never say it irl lol. They have the same logic that lolicons have.

I’m actually normal and everybody loves me.

I don’t really care lol. Sakura Gari good. Harada good. Being graphic does not = child porn or illegal. Suck my weewee.

Also, Niichan by my metrics counts as graphic underage porn. The kid grows up, yeah, but he’s still a high school boy when he starts having sex again with his molester, isn’t he? Even regardless, Harada is not shy about showing teens being sexually abused in her stories. Sakura Gari is largely the same where the sexual abuse against a seven year old isn’t graphic, but there are still underage teens doing sexual things.

ya i need to stop responding its actually horrifying ppl like this walk the streets.. well, hopefully they are staying contained to the basement

what age did you start reading CP?

if you didnt care you wouldnt be here fighting for your life. we argue things we subconsciously know is wrong and feel guilty for. this entire thing has been you trying to convince yourself youre normal. youre not. but like, i implore you to tell your parents what youve been up to and see how they react. show them the peek mangs youve mentioned and watch their faces twist in disgust at your nature. better yet, if its super duper okay, prove it and go show a police officer the material you’re consuming and see how that goes

LOLLL YOU PERVERT

I am normal and fine. Idgaf if stories are extremely graphic as long as there’s a story there. Call the cops, pussy. I’m not gonna get reprimanded for wasting police resources on YAOI lmfao.

The only thing I’m fighting for is more Jiwook GAPE.

You weird little yaoi hall monitors make me laugh so bad because if you truly think it’s so illegal then call the fuzz otherwise you’re just an accessory to what you think is a literal crime.

youre actually tweaking lmao

True, years of trying to get clean from my addition to laughing at Jiwook crying and screaming on the dick of his rape victim all ended in failure. Learn from me guys. #YaoiNotEvenOnce #OkayMaybeOnceOrTwice

huh

I am not saying harada doesn't show it? I am saying about your point of this being about how much sa affects children, niichan and other works are deeply focused on that, this is not.

I wasn’t saying Revenge is focused on child sexual violence and the ramifications. sorry for the confusion. I was talking about Sakura Gari, which is gas. It’s very graphic but it’s not romanticized. Even the victim loving his abuser is framed as a tragic thing and every rapist is punished.

Also I have read all harada s works and honestly most aint as graphic as this, doesnt mean that it does not happen, but the frequency and detail is on different levels. This work stressed the rape scenes so much it even stops being shocking, it is just to fap lol. Also the narrative is not half as heavy in the psychological aspect as niichan is. And I am not painting harada as someone that ia not a pervert here and is a conscious saint. But you can see the differences.

It is child porn, it is just not csam. In the same way that gay porn even if it is drawn it is called gay porn. And depending on the country it is indeed illegal, in japan and korea it is not.

Just like incels that glamourize gore and their loliporn usually dont leave the house most of these people also dont, dw

They dont even know what classifies as porn or not, that is their level lol. Even tho drawn porn is still classified as porn, be it of a kid or adults. But they will say it is not, cause they know admitting it is indeed child porn will make them look bad. When it simply is lol. They confuse it with csam.

What kills me is that they fight for their life to try to moralize it lol. Just say yeah it is immoral trash and I read it. It is so easy. No, they wanna do backflips to make it look normal, like embrace it, brody.

right? and now theyre literally having a mental breakdown lol like oh bby

"Yaoi hall manipulators" lmao you see the level of these people now. They truly talk like 14 y.o on 4chan. Anything is an anime manipulation technique for them, just laugh at it honestly.

ya honestly theyre treading through dangerous territory

*treads on you :3

BOO! YAOI RAPE! DID I SCARE YOU?

tru that its wild this all started from one person questioning what kind of person you have to be to come up with a horrific concept that requires you to draw graphic depictions of rape. like youd think thatd be inarguable but this community is full of immoral degenerates. that being said i have never seen someone this mentally ill in this space

Lmao look at their new comment, I am telling ya

When was I trying to moralize it. I was just making fun of op. holy reach….literary skills 101 right here.

YAOI MANIPULATORS???? WHEN DID I SAY THAT LMFAO

i know and the fact they dodged both my questions regarding age makes me think they may be a minor, which, is maybe more concerning?

we arent talking about yaoi rape we are talking about you reading illegal material depicting children in a porngraphic manner

Ok then GO READ HARADA’S NII-CHAN AND SAKURA GARI BY YU WATASE

They treat any criticism against things they like as if it is a direct criticism towards their own people. Cause in the end consuming media is a big part of their personality, so it is indeed a direct attack to their personality treat. What is a shame cause criticizing media is so normal, even being disgusted by it is normal. It is meant to evoke emotions, but apparently it is just allowed to evoke what they want in people. I read so much trash and honestly I am chill calling it what it is. It is not the end of the world.

Girl Kaworu you are fighting ghosts. When or where did I try to act like a morally superior person for reading the same yaoi rape schlock you read.

Oh I see I see. No problem, I probably was the one mixing it up cause of how the comments here are small on mobile, this part was not on you.

this is a moral argument in which you are arguing in favor of depicting graphic rape in literature. we are arguing ethicality and morals around the situation. you have repeatedly stated you believe it is okay, that the media in question is “gas,” that you support its existence and that anyone who disagrees is not correct, which means you are conveying being morally adverse to graphic depictions of child rape is not a valid societal moral

Ah maybe, the worst stuff I read was when I was a teenager. Many such cases

why would i commit a crime? or are these the ones that dont have illegal materal of children being raped?

perfectly said i feel the exact same way

Also I love criticizing this shit lol…the most fun I have is throwing tomatoes at stuff I’m interested in I’m just making fun of the people who think that’s it’s a huge moral failing or straight up criminal to read problematic fiction. I don’t enjoy lolisho stuff at all, but I can get past most problematic stuff if there’s a story I’m interested in. But lobotomites on mangago think that means I love child porn lmfao.

Idk I guess if you think it’s illegal to draw a seventeen year old having sex with the pedophile who groomed him and destroyed his life then maybe not. But it is a pretty compelling story.

Your inability to reconize graphic depictions of children in sexual acts as child porn, cause you know the stigma the word carries and how bad it sounds, for exemple. When in fact it is simply child porn. Also idk why you fight for your life whenever someone criticizes this work, is this a hill you wanna die on? Nobody can make you stop reading what you like. It is your free will. I dont think you need to be this worked up, I mean it is not like this is the second comming of Christ of literature... maybe it is just cause I fujo spaces were more acceptable to be a weirdo and people calling us weird was a compliment (we are literally rotten girls ❣) now if anyone says something shout disliking rapeslop some of you act like they slept with your grandma chilly brody.

Pretty much, like it was always a moral argument to begin with.

Wat. I don’t think it’s a moral failing to disagree with depictions lmfao. But me reading some Harada is not criminal or a sign of real pederasty, which destroys millions of lives. None of the stories I’ve recommended endorse pedophilia like your average lolishota slop, but “‘morally” they could be considered the same because they show sexual violence being inflicted on people who are underage. You’re just making shit up.

I think it comes more of the place of people being afraid this will banalize sa against kids (more than it already is) you can observe it in japan for exemple. Even as a reader of this I would prefer that most people frown at the idea of pornified rape and child porn than that tgey dont. I dont feel like this is a personal attack towards me tbh. Better safe than sorry with children, so it actually makes me happy seeing that a lot of people have this visceral reaction towards it even in a society where we are constantly desensitized towards rape. I was desensitized towards it from a young age, but I hope most people will still have a visceral reaction towards it.

If you wanna play it that way, then child porn as a term is inherently wrong lol. Please stop trying to redress my argument to better service your sassy af comebacks. I don’t care if people criticize the work because all work can be criticized. In fact, all artists and audiences can also be criticized. But op was saying that people who read and enjoy the story are mentally disturbed and challenged. So I made fun of them.

Harada makes it more graphic than it needs to be, you dont need to outright endorse peds to contribute to ped and rape culture. And I say this as a fan, harada is not a saint. Their main point might be good and also the story telling, but reading you can see how lots of scenes were unnecessary to convey the message and they are not actually there only to do that... the line between a critic and endorsing is very thin and some works have both. It is a human writting after all and a japanese human on top of that, a place where some of the most sold figures are of sexualized hs girls and a place where you could have csam material till 2014 without it being a crime.

it does NAWT matter to me if people condemn loli porn I don’t like that stuff either. I just don’t think trying to deal with the rot of pedophilia in our societies by overcorrecting and blaming stories that do try to tackle it in an explicit and shocking way is going to protect anybody. I’m a big fan of Salo, which is an antifascist art piece that has every deplorable fetish and paraphilia in the book. But people write it off as nothing more than rape and incest porn shock slop just because it’s explicit. I’m not at all saying that child sexual abuse being shown in stories is a great thing that modern fiction needs to be successful. I’m saying that when it comes to fiction, we need to use our critical review and look at things case by case.

It is not wrong when no real victim is involved. Cause a child cannot consent and is being hurt so using cp is not a fitting term, but csam when a real kid is involved. When it is not it is indeed child porn.

Well yeah, duh. Nobody is safe from contributing to rape culture. I don’t think Harada is perfect or a saint either. Like I said, she does have some straight up no-holds-barred shota stuff. I don’t like those works, but she is otherwise a cogent storyteller and manages to make successful stories even if they contain problematic shit that I’d otherwise find uncomfortable. Actually I don’t think our opinions on Harada and and other hard-to-stomach stories are very different tbh. We’d be having a very different conversation if I was hyping up Shota Oni or something.

I indeed think for people to read this they have some mental disturbance in a social sense (this includes myself, before you mention again I read it when I think it is no secret I do and simp for ju btw). It is not exactly normal to read graphic depictions of rape like this and read it normally. This happens mostly cause of the way our society treats rape. I do think people go overboard calling people that reads this rapists, but I still prefer this visceral reaction than apathy towards these depictions. I dont get offended tbh.

Obviously I dont think you are a bad person.

I think we have pretty similar opnions, just different ways to react to criticism. What is obviously normal cause we are different people. I like Harada just like I like Yana, away from kids preferably. And honestly the material niichan gives on child sexualization is worse than shota oni even tho shota oni owns much its erotization of kids while niichan kinda covers it as a "critic". But harada writes well so this coverage works for most people.

Yeah. Rape culture is a fucking scourge. But it’s very clever too in how it influences us. There was a time when I didn’t bother to be critical of women who wrote very violent things happening to men, but I feel like understanding and unpacking why a lot of manga and manhwa that idolize male on male domestic and sexual violence are different things. we should all be wary and more mindful for sure. Like, I understand that East Asian women and children exist in a state-sanctioned crucible of terror caused by men. Not saying they have it worse than those who live in non first world countries, but it’s fucking bad. I think part of the reason why I have no problem cheering Juyeon on is because despite how sexualized Revenge is, it’s not completely unrealistic. Out of the thousands of deepfake digital sex crimes in korea committed in the last few years, over 80% of the culprits were underage boys. Many of whom will likely get a slap on the wrist and their victims will be pushed to forgive them for everyone else’s peace of mind. I understand the framework that stories like Revenge are created in, but they should never be free of criticism.

Tbf I think both made me uncomfortable for different reasons. Shota Oni is obviously not explicit and is fairly self aware, but I don’t really want to see super flowery and romantic looking shotacon shit being blasted in my face. I feel like the premise could’ve been a really interesting horror story. It’s like how Super Lovers acts self aware sometimes with characters joking that Haru is gonna go to prison for grooming a kid nine years his junior but the story remains “cute and fluffy” all the time and at worst the dude gets treated like a cougar despite sexually touching a thirteen year old.

Also holy shit, Yana mention haven’t thought about her for years. Imagine being so dedicated to your shotacon grind for almost twenty whole ass years.

i dont think illegal hun it just is

Yeah, pretty much what you said. My biggest issue with yaoi is that it is in itself misogynistic (and I again say this as someone that loves the genre) cause 90% of the time the uke is the one being violated, this accentuates how women themselves perpetuate heteronormativity and misogyny. You see how the most feminine, the penetrated one, the bottom is basically treated like women in het worst while the seme is put in this power place over the uke. It repeats the same exactly misogynistic views even when it is written by women, soeacially when you observe semes saying stuff that red pill men say "you are saying no, but your body says otherwise" so often. And this is why I dont see yaoi as antipatriarchy, I think it functions as an instrument of it and it actually many times deeps the rape culture. You see most of the time the masculine figure (the seme) is not being mistreated, it is the feminine figure (uke) that is. Yaoi functions in a extreme heteronormative logic. Obviously this is in general, we will have exceptions.

I think yaoi is more a result of misoginy in the sense of a product than a counterattack, cause it hardly attacks masculinity, it again attacks femininity. Many of these women call the oke " the wife" for exemple. Being the penetrated in a gay relationship is still associated to being the "woman" in the relationship.

Also yeah, omg korea literally LEADS deepfakes like wtf... i was fr expecting japan or usa until I remembered korean men are like incel pro max

you cannot depict graphic depictions of child rape but claim to be outside the real of CP. youre still contributing to the problem, and theres literally no reason to show graphic depictions of these acts other than 1. to shock people 2. goon material. its extremely distasteful. who the fuck is this media for? certainly not actual victims. i cant imagine they think anything other than ill of prolonged rape scenes in media.

Oh you made a good point about the cutesy framing, yeah many loli works are like that too. Like no it is not weird it is just cute! True

I have to dedicate myself to my exams as much as she dedicates herself to being a weirdo. And the fucking mf art eats too... like damn

Fucking word. I was gonna say that the part of the manga that reveals the CSA the twins went through was well done without being overly explicit but then again, Yana still has them publishers convinced it’s a regular degular seinen so who knows if the shota demon on her shoulder was telling her to get really weird with it or not. Also yeah, I don’t have a great word for the treatment of submissive or feminine gay men (femmephobia??? Idk) but I am incredibly tired of yaoi where the dainty pretty boy gets thrown around and tormented by some roided up freak. Like, YES there’s plenty of yaoi that serves as taboo sexual expression in a way that removes the possibility of seeing violent misogyny by removing women altogether. But feminine gay guys are very marginalized. Doubly so if they are trans. I have a lot of criticisms for fem gay men in general, but I’m not going to pretend that fujoshi circles aren’t insanely homophobic towards them. I think fujos really gotta ask themselves why femininity is their instinctive target for abuse in their stories. Like, bara can be pretty problematic too, but there’s a lot less overt infantilization and femmephobia (idk if that’s even the right word, I don’t want to crack open the gay wiki for the proper terminology rn). And it’s made by gay men and catered to gay men. They’re a much more reliable authority on gay relationship dynamics than fujos who want MF romance but without any F.

cope

To be honest I think fujos have strong internalized misogyny . You can see how a lot treat female characters, i think the whole "erase women so no misogyny" is unironically misogyny in itself. Also why yaoi is more popular than yuri, the world always will center men. Actually it was pleasing to talk to you, fam. I dont even remember why we were arguing