CerbyakaPuppy's Topics (19)

It's worth it dwdw

I'm a bit late but I'd recommend 'Dangerous Convenience Store' (๑•ㅂ•)و✧

I already read that but thank you ヾ(❀╹◡╹)ﾉ~

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Wait... so losing his mate and unborn child, then later on in that same time line losing Aeroc, then his first born resint8ng him and walking out on him. Then accidentally potentially killing his second born (and by the looks of it, his only Alpha) and living out the rest of his life in misery..... and you don't thing he suffered enough??

The Klopp who abused Aeroc what reborn in a DIFFERENT timeline according to the novel. He as all his memories of how he abused Aeroc and he's pretty much insane.

Basically, the Aeroc and Klopp were both reincarnated but in separate worlds/timelines.

Oh and according to the side stories, Rapiel/Raphael might not actually have been carrying Klopps child in the 1st timeline. He got drunk and had a one night stand with Marquis Wolflake but forgot or something.

never enough, not redeemed enough. he brought it upon himself.

Wow, I hope Rapiel will end up happily with Wolflake. I think he truly love him, unlike someone else who only saw him as a substitute.

Exactly!

Rapiel will end up wjth Wolflake

Same, I need that man to physically suffer.

“Oohh but he lived in regret and self-hatred after aeroc died” Man fuck that, I need to see him starving and living in a shack.

Rapiel x Wolflake cannon? yay, lol

yessssss

Not every payment has to be the same..... to me Kloff paid for his sins later on in the same time line. I love how yaoi readers always side with the Uke no matter what evil they have done just because they take on the "woman" roll.

I admit that I usually side with Semes, but we have to acknowledge when an individual does wrong they have to pay the price. And when this price happens to be greater than the original sin, so be it.... they started it first

I usually agree that people tend to baby ukes, but not in this situation.

Nobody is “siding” with the uke. It’s pretty much unanimous that what he did was wrong, regardless of his intentions. That said, what Kloff did was so horrific and blatantly evil that it understandably disgusts most people. Aeroc did pay the price...being tossed to the slums. What Kloff did was for his own satisfaction, not for Raphael. You cannot rape and impregnate someone on the basis of "grief".

You're correct, just not in the hypothetical last part. Raphael was carrying Kloff's child; nothing in the novel's side stories insinuated that he cheated. I'm pretty sure that rumor came from novelspoilers lol

Hello, I didn't say anything about Aeroc's payment was unfair, tho my heart broke seeing him suffer. He paid the high price, ok cus he did something bad. And protested against Kloff's payment has nothing to do with uke or seme's side. It's clearly not enough. I think you're the one on someone's side here. I'm okay with people pay the price higher for what they did but never lower, it's pmo. Kloff tormented Aeroc with psychological torture, physical abuse, grape him and indirectly led to him being gang-graped and starved...
All the thing you listed in the first reply comment about Kloff had to suffer, I can only agree with the last one. The first one ( lost Rapiel and son) was before all the thing he did to Aeroc so it's doesn't counted at the payment for what he did (cus he hasn't done anything to deserve paying). That was the pain he endured, and it led him down the path of revenge. And the rest of that except the last one (living in misery) were all the thing he brought upon himself. Who made Aeroc died? HIM. Why his first born hate him? HE made it. Why the black hair son were injured? HE hit him.
Even in the second lifetime we could see that he not really a good person. He's quick-tempered, sharp-tongued, and prone to violence (c38 39 43 44 49). He sees Rapiel as a replacement for Aeroc cus at that time he couldn't reach him. He killed all the men who touch his mate (Rapiel in the first timeline and Aeroc in the 2nd) but chose to torture Aeroc because deep down he loves Aeroc. He want Aeroc to suffer but also want to be near him, it's sicken me.

I love how you said he made aeroc die. Kloff often mentions that aeroc committed suicide, and how he can’t commit suicide because of his 6 sin. Like no dude, you psychologically tortured the guy, to the point where he wanted to be tortured to death.

If it wasn't for Aeroc causing the death of his mate and unborn child, no one really had to suffer. So the burden was on Aeroc to begin with..... he made his bed, it was only natural that he alone should lay in it

So why complain when people say Kloff should just “lie in the bed he made,” lol? This is purely an opinion on whether or not he got the punishment he deserved, so it’s kind of ironic. He tortured Aaeroc; people wanting the same done to him isn’t complicated, it's him "lying in the bed he made".

lol it was kloff giving mix signal, in the novel it was implied that he was attracted to aeroc so much he was unconsciously scenting him but because he was homophobic (alpha &alpha) he choose rapiel instead to pursue despite attracted and lusting aeroc.

Although im not saying what aeroc did was right but he was remorseful of what he did, mind you aeroc was not one to understand emotions but he was remorseful, he sincerely wants to redeem what he did by doing the same way how rapiel died but Kloff? Never once tried to redeem himself on the first timeline except that last chapter on the first timeline.

We are not discussing the novel, but the webtoons.

Losing his oldest and second is enough for any parent to be equal to death itself. Not only that, the crying face we all saw in the latest chapter indicate his suffering. And by the looks of it, he died a miserable death in the first time line, as we saw how he ran to the cabin thinking that his beloved has returned..... I don't know why he needs to experience more forms of sufferings??

If he loses his status or money or any other things, the only people that'll suffer are his younger kids. Why make Aeroc's kids suffer??

So if you kill someone important to me, I have the right to torture you in any way I want because you deserve it, and I'll live to be old without suffering anything except self-reproach because you started it all, so you deserve to be tortured, and I just need to live and remember you.

Ok then. With this logic. I can brutally murder a pregnant woman. But as long as i am remorseful in what I did after that, I get to live my life??? Oh, don't worry, ill redeem myself by volunteering in a homeless shelter

Thank God!! Finally someone is starting to understand

Dude, he did not physically murder a pregnant woman. His intention was to scare him off, not that it was okay, and while his actions did lead to Raphael's death, the facts should still be stated correctly. And he was punished, so saying “I get to live my life” isn’t accurate. He was sent to the slums, where he was raped and starved, and then Kloff took over and did the same to him.

LMAO Ray (his son) wanted his ass to suffer. He literally wrote a book exposing his father.

Your way of thinking sicken me. You're outside the law. The law fear you.

You're right, in the first timeline he had kids so I want him to suffer in another timeline.

You are projecting today's law standards to the era that this story was set 8n!! Back then the nobles dealt with their grudges themselves and not by the country's laws

the webtoon follows the novel. what's your point?

no matter how you try to gloss over 1st TL kloff, he never redeemed enough. and what he been through is because of his own doing, he reap what sow, lie on the bed he made. and I'm not the alone on this one.

gosh you clearly missed the point. so let me break it down for you:

first, he did not brutally killed rapeil, he paid someone to scare him and what happened is beyond his calculation (he's really not on the smarter side)

second, my logic here is a reply to your argument about on how we usually sided with the uke because it assumed the "female" role—which is clearly fallacious as we (who empathized on aeroc's suffering) see how off the disparity of sins between the two of them.

i pointed out AND admitted, Aeroc is no innocent and may have triggered a domino effect but kloff is no different, however what made them different is that kloff uses the excuse that his lover and child was taken from him to justify his torture over aeroc, meanwhile aeroc, not only was aware of his sin but also tried to repay it by enduring everything in hope he would be forgiven.

see the difference?

i guess you will be thrilled to know that on the third timeline in which this time Kloff has the memory will realized his lapses and will have closure with aeroc.

Which like mostly all of them were the consequences of his actions you really cant be ignoring the fact that first of all he has an absolutely shitty persinality and mindset where everyone and everything is inferior to him and he gets violent loterally every second and his anger problems omg even b4 aeroc did all that. Second he raped aeroc beatnhim sent him to hos death a million times fjck i cant even say it in detail cuz its genuinely so awful. So leaving the fact that he lost his first born, he NEEDS TO ATONE FOR HIS SINS FOR edvrything that happened with aeroc

I'm not going to read this since it looks like a spoiler, and I like to read non spoiled stories

My point is that I'm discussing the events up to chapter 68, and not beyond

And Aeroc reaped what he sow too!! I still don't understand the protection on Aeroc is?? Are you demanding for Martha's punishment too, or is it ONLY Kloff that needs to take on all the burden here??

You answered yourself on the 4th paragraph there!!
Everything that happened to Aeroc is justified because if it wasn't for his actual
Ions, Rapiel and child wouldn't be hurt, hence Kloff wouldn't have gone the rabbit hole

And hw did.... by having his first born that looks just like his papa walk out on him, and his second son dying. And him living a miserable life in the end of it all

When did i say what aeroc did to rapeil was justified because he was remorseful? man you really like putting words into my keyboard.

The OG comment said that kloff has not redeem enough, and yet you go on attacked aeroc. If you cant accept that fact then you are not really ready for such conversation. And i will always bring up the novel because thats the source material. There are a lot of details that was not included to the webtoon that is why your perspective is too narrow. I wont be replying to you after this because we're just going on and on without you understanding anything. Have a good one

Sure thing you ran away when I mentioned Martha. You just want to hate on Kloff since he is the "man" and all need to stick together into hating men

Everyone hates Martha (at least most people), and honestly, I haven’t seen a single comment saying anything remotely positive about her. She wasn’t even part of the discussion to begin with; she was just dragged in by you as a total nothing-burger to try and make a point.

His second son didn’t die; he was left with a limp and now uses a cane because of his father’s incompetence. And honestly, none of that even comes close to being enough. The consequences he’s faced are nowhere near proportional to the damage he caused Aeroc. He needs to starve, be beaten, and be locked in a shed.

This response is funny asf. Girl, AEROC IS A MAN. Being an omega doesn’t change that; he has a male body, male genitalia, all of it. People hate Kloff because he raped and tortured him for his own gain, with no repercussions other than "regret" and being hated by his first son. It really is that simple; it has nothing to do with him being a "man."

lol dont get me started to martha, hated that bijj to the core and she's not even relevant.

you can block me that way you will no longer see some opinion that definitely different from your own twisted one.

man really likes to drag an irrelevant character just to justify his own simpus act. imagine having to justify and defend kloff's torture to aeroc because he (aeroc) hurt him (kloff). what kind of brain?

i understand that it's not a simple "hurt", aeroc was wrong for that but seriously tho, kloff stopped being the victim once he does that to an unresisting aeroc. what he did to aeroc was simply just saditic and evil.

Exactly. No one would’ve complained if Kloff had killed or tortured Aeroc in retaliation for his role in Raphael’s death. The line was crossed the moment Kloff chose to rape and beat Aeroc for his own gratification. On top of that, he took away Aeroc’s children and forced him to live in degrading conditions purely to continue raping him. Hell, Kloff even admits it to Aeroc, even the devil would find him cruel (3rd timeline, where Aeroc has no memories; in the novel).

lol oh no, don't throw him anything from the novel that guy won't accept it no matter what lmao.

LMAO the manhwa is following the novel, but I do think they’re adding subtle changes to make Kloff more pitiful. I’ll need to reread it, but I don’t think Kloffs death in the first timeline was ever shown in the novel.

"We are not discussing the novel, but the webtoons."

— rala, 2025

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Sorry to say they *are* breaking up in chapter 13 TT

Noooooooooo

WHATT WHYYYYY where do you see this?

You've got to be joking