I hate this mc so much. imo he's really used to playing victim and blaming others for results from his own stupid choices. ML is suffering from PTSD and no one is even helping him? LOL what a stupid plot only favoring the bottom. I only kept on reading it bec of ML and MC annoys me so much
Its funny how u made sure to baby the ml while victim blaming the mc??! Did mc choose to be assaulted in the military?? Is mc in the wrong for confessing his feelings to an alpha ?? Is he in the wrong for staying hoping one day his feelings will be reciprocated by the ml?? Even whn the society including his dad abused him for tht , he still chose to stay. Its pretty clear mc's inferiority complex stems from the way society treated nd his relatives especially his dad nd mls grandpa treated him, even though ml was supportive his actions definitely weren't really much of a reassurance to the mc .Its funny how both got traumas but u only chose to analyse one's while shittin on the other for not considering the mls feelings. And am i too woke to feel ur cmmnts got misogynistic undertones lol , especially when ppl baby the ml for the most red flag sht , while expecting the uke to be perfect nd kind while taking everyone's opinion to consideration, disregarding thier own mental well-being
The misogynistic tone to this.. just imagining a real life woman goes through this makes me sad for them. I know I'm playing a lame card here, but are you even hearing yourself??
why is everyone saying the criticism is misogynistic?? just b/c they’re dogging on the MC who’s playing the “woman” role? if anything, the ML always struck me as the more “feminine” one if you consider their relationship dynamic and not their sexual dynamic. anyway, BOTH of them are laughably idiotic, but like popoy I also find the MC more annoying. maybe because the ML is more affectionate and openly loving, I find it easier to like him over the MC who is a textbook AVOIDANT. is it misogyny to prefer certain personalities and types of people over others? it’s also true that the story “favors” the MC, which can magnify the dislike. right now, the plot seems to be going in the direction where the MC “moves on” from the ML, the ML suffers and chases him and admits how terrible he is and OH MY GOD HE’S PREGNANT??? then the ML prostrates himself and admits his undying love, the MC forgives him, and they live happily ever after. in other words, one person in the relationship takes SIGNIFICANTLY more culpability for their mistakes than the other party. they’re both adults with their own agency, and they’ve both made very questionable decisions, so you can see how this is annoying. anyway, I pray the story proves me wrong, and I hope I’ve made my point that it’s possible to find the MC off putting WITHOUT misogyny being involved, but with the direction the narrative appears to be taking.
why is everyone saying the criticism is misogynistic?? just b/c they’re dogging on the MC who’s playing the “woman” role? if anything, the ML always struck me as the more “feminine” one if you consi... Jenna
I don't know about the other comments lol, but this is why I said it has misogynistic undertones. I never said the criticism itself was misogynistic , just said it had misogynistic undertones which r different
A lot of the hate gay men face in real life comes from people seeing them as not being manly enough. They're often put into the "woman's role" in a relationship and judged through those same expectations, regardless of whether they're actually feminine or not.
That's the pattern I've noticed in BL fandoms too, especially in omegaverse. People unconsciously apply heterosexual relationship standards to queer relationships. The one on the receiving end is expected to do all the emotional labor, be more understanding, forgive everything, hide their emotions, and keep the relationship together. Meanwhile, the other person usually gets a lot more grace because of their trauma or circumstances.
That's why this comment gave me those undertones. Even though this MC isn't feminine, he's still expected to endure all the bullshit while the ML gets away with everything because people sympathize with him more. Then when the MC finally reaches his limit or makes mistakes, he's suddenly "playing the victim" or gets blamed for the consequences. Lol that's the double standard I was talking about.
You can absolutely dislike the MC, that's not what I'm arguing against. I just think some of the criticism reflects those underlying expectations, which is why I said it has misogynistic undertones.
The misogynistic tone to this.. just imagining a real life woman goes through this makes me sad for them. I know I'm playing a lame card here, but are you even hearing yourself?? Aoiaot
How's this misogynist?? They both are men grown men it just reveals u as a fetishizer who cannot see two gay men as men u gonna give one of them a role of woman
Agreed! he's the WOOOORST! At least, he is a sociopath! what a little liar. and a little bxtch for running away. After 7 years he didnt ask his bf ANY questions about his feelings? and he completely lied about his past trauma. He's blaming his bf for everything. now he's happily planning a future with a stolen child. what a nightmare person. Well, maybe the author is really young? this isn't how adult relationships work, lmao its just nonsense. (⌒▽⌒)
How's this misogynist?? They both are men grown men it just reveals u as a fetishizer who cannot see two gay men as men u gonna give one of them a role of woman Ssssup
wether the mc is a man or a woman they're a sociopathic liar who just ran off with a child that is not 'only' his. what a nightmare person. what does misogyny have to do with this topic again?
Agreed! he's the WOOOORST! At least, he is a sociopath! what a little liar. and a little bxtch for running away. After 7 years he didnt ask his bf ANY questions about his feelings? and he completely lied about... katydid
Is this ragebait ?? I mean not to be tht person how is it considered running away when ml was the one who broke up with him lol ,i mean yeah it was shitty of him not to tell him abt tht night. But still i dont think its mls business where mc goes after the breakup nd how tf did mc steal the child when it takes 2 to make a kid lmao, he just chose to hide , he never stole anything nd again tht was wrong but thts not stealing. Mc never really lied he mostly never really said the truth . And calling him a sociopath when he is exactly the opposite of it is funny lol especially with such low self confidence nd self love dude is far from being a sociopath.
They both got thier issue's nd mc's current mental state aint the best with him being an omega + pregnant suddenly with all the mental stress the current decisions he makes here seems plausible its not always possible to do the right decisions nd this is bl lmao , ur expectations cant be tht high here . Also if u read the novel u cls maybe connect more with thier internal processings bc there alot of internal monologues in the novel .
I wldnt call the author amaeturish either , she has a thing for mis communication tho in all her novels , her novels are more of a emotional melodrama which may not translate as good in the manhwa
Its quite a suprise to me on how ppl interpret this manhwa , maybe i am quite biased since i read the novel.
soo basically the mc also has trauma not just the ml lmao. its the miscommunication trope babe they’re both at fault. you can’t get mad that mc had a whole seven years to talk to the ml about his feelings when the ml had a whole seven years to open up about his trauma and he didn’t, it takes two to be in a relationship
How's this misogynist?? They both are men grown men it just reveals u as a fetishizer who cannot see two gay men as men u gonna give one of them a role of woman Ssssup
Because your original comment screams misogynistic! 'Oh nooo my man have ptsd. Fuc that pregnant person who make him sad, such a victim and stupid bottom'.
Hmm I wonder who often faces these words in real life
why is everyone saying the criticism is misogynistic?? just b/c they’re dogging on the MC who’s playing the “woman” role? if anything, the ML always struck me as the more “feminine” one if you consi... Jenna
No ur right that's how the story is gonna be the mc will be intolerant in the future with his equally fvcked up decisions
Because your original comment screams misogynistic! 'Oh nooo my man have ptsd. Fuc that pregnant person who make him sad, such a victim and stupid bottom'.Hmm I wonder who often faces these words in real life Aoiaot
He wasn't even pregnant before when the ml made the break up decision and he did that bc he thought he cheated on the mc that too bc of the mc lying to him with a straight face let's stop babying the bottom bc uall think they are women cz both of them are in wrong
I don't know about the other comments lol, but this is why I said it has misogynistic undertones. I never said the criticism itself was misogynistic , just said it had misogynistic undertones which r different ... Haikaveh phaidei love child
i see where you're coming from, but at least for me you're making a LOT of assumptions about the original comment. i don't think there's enough context to say there are "misogynistic undertones." popoy just says the MC is playing the victim and that the story isn't exploring the ML's trauma enough. and it's true that the narrative frames the MC as the "victim" of the situation and has yet to address the ML's childhood sexual abuse outside of "oh, so THAT'S why he hasn't banged the MC yet."
(and to clarify, when I say the MC is being framed as the "victim," I mean the story, at least in the manhwa, isn't throwing any meaningful criticism or consequences at him for his actions, instead justifying them using MC's poor unrequited love as an excuse. like we already know the ML is going to suffer for his mistakes with the ensuing chasing arc, so can the MC at least feel a little guilt or regret over some of the shit he did? I guarantee there would be less hate then.)
anyway, maybe the original commenter can't stand the MC because of these "underlying expectations" you were talking about, or maybe they simply dislike him because of the contrived plot. you assumed the former because of your past experiences, and, hey, maybe you're right, but that's not completely fair to the original commenter. there's just not enough evidence to tell and to throw out accusations, especially since other people started to bandwagon on the "misogyny" allegation and leave unnecessarily nasty replies.
i see where you're coming from, but at least for me you're making a LOT of assumptions about the original comment. i don't think there's enough context to say there are "misogynistic undertones." popoy just say... Jenna
I aldready mentioned on why i felt there are misogynistic undertones , i mean if u didn't feel anything good for u but tht was my personal evaluation on whtvr op initially said first. I am sorry i dont think no where in the story it justifies any of mc's deeds we just see his pov , just bc we see the story moving forward through his eyes doesn't mean its justifying whtvr he did or he does in the future, its just we get see his thought process nd wht cld have made him do these but thts still not justification unless u make it to be. Here as u can see both the charector r flawed . And i didn't call them a misogynist lol . You cld read my og cmmnt i just mentioned tht it "felt" like ops cmmnt " may " have misogynistic undertones while addressing some of the mis characterization in thier part. And i can't again speak for others who might have felt uncomfortable with op's cmmnts or can i speak on behalf of the op to address wht they had in mind but its a commnt section lol , u can express ur discern on certain cmmnts aslong as ur civil , which i think I was nd also i dont think my initial cmmnt was anything rude .
I aldready mentioned on why i felt there are misogynistic undertones , i mean if u didn't feel anything good for u but tht was my personal evaluation on whtvr op initially said first. I am sorry i dont think no... Haikaveh phaidei love child
Well for me I think I do get what ur saying.The comment really is one sided. U can’t really tell that much whether it’s misogynistic or the person who said that js loves fantasizing abt ml cuz her/his perspective is that she/he is the y/n lolll, but it’s def one of the two or BOTHHH LMAO.
Tbh I’m annoyed at what mc recently did too but when I started reading I was also annoyed by the ml. I js don’t understand why ppl can’t even see that both has mistakes.
I really loved ur comment abt traumas where only one trauma is being analyzed.
For the trauma part I feel like the ml’s trauma is getting seen by other ppl as “worse” than what the mc got js because it’s abt sexual stuff, while the mc is seen as “just beaten by ppl”. It really says a lot abt the society always weighing different traumas and the ones that are seen as “worse” is what they favor the most, when in the first place all types of traumas shouldn’t even be compared at all.
I hate this mc so much. imo he's really used to playing victim and blaming others for results from his own stupid choices. ML is suffering from PTSD and no one is even helping him? LOL what a stupid plot only favoring the bottom. I only kept on reading it bec of ML and MC annoys me so much
Its funny how u made sure to baby the ml while victim blaming the mc??! Did mc choose to be assaulted in the military?? Is mc in the wrong for confessing his feelings to an alpha ?? Is he in the wrong for staying hoping one day his feelings will be reciprocated by the ml?? Even whn the society including his dad abused him for tht , he still chose to stay. Its pretty clear mc's inferiority complex stems from the way society treated nd his relatives especially his dad nd mls grandpa treated him, even though ml was supportive his actions definitely weren't really much of a reassurance to the mc .Its funny how both got traumas but u only chose to analyse one's while shittin on the other for not considering the mls feelings. And am i too woke to feel ur cmmnts got misogynistic undertones lol , especially when ppl baby the ml for the most red flag sht , while expecting the uke to be perfect nd kind while taking everyone's opinion to consideration, disregarding thier own mental well-being
The misogynistic tone to this.. just imagining a real life woman goes through this makes me sad for them. I know I'm playing a lame card here, but are you even hearing yourself??
ewww, leave the community you misogynistic motherfcker
why is everyone saying the criticism is misogynistic?? just b/c they’re dogging on the MC who’s playing the “woman” role? if anything, the ML always struck me as the more “feminine” one if you consider their relationship dynamic and not their sexual dynamic. anyway, BOTH of them are laughably idiotic, but like popoy I also find the MC more annoying. maybe because the ML is more affectionate and openly loving, I find it easier to like him over the MC who is a textbook AVOIDANT. is it misogyny to prefer certain personalities and types of people over others? it’s also true that the story “favors” the MC, which can magnify the dislike. right now, the plot seems to be going in the direction where the MC “moves on” from the ML, the ML suffers and chases him and admits how terrible he is and OH MY GOD HE’S PREGNANT??? then the ML prostrates himself and admits his undying love, the MC forgives him, and they live happily ever after. in other words, one person in the relationship takes SIGNIFICANTLY more culpability for their mistakes than the other party. they’re both adults with their own agency, and they’ve both made very questionable decisions, so you can see how this is annoying. anyway, I pray the story proves me wrong, and I hope I’ve made my point that it’s possible to find the MC off putting WITHOUT misogyny being involved, but with the direction the narrative appears to be taking.
I don't know about the other comments lol, but this is why I said it has misogynistic undertones. I never said the criticism itself was misogynistic , just said it had misogynistic undertones which r different
A lot of the hate gay men face in real life comes from people seeing them as not being manly enough. They're often put into the "woman's role" in a relationship and judged through those same expectations, regardless of whether they're actually feminine or not.
That's the pattern I've noticed in BL fandoms too, especially in omegaverse. People unconsciously apply heterosexual relationship standards to queer relationships. The one on the receiving end is expected to do all the emotional labor, be more understanding, forgive everything, hide their emotions, and keep the relationship together. Meanwhile, the other person usually gets a lot more grace because of their trauma or circumstances.
That's why this comment gave me those undertones. Even though this MC isn't feminine, he's still expected to endure all the bullshit while the ML gets away with everything because people sympathize with him more. Then when the MC finally reaches his limit or makes mistakes, he's suddenly "playing the victim" or gets blamed for the consequences. Lol that's the double standard I was talking about.
You can absolutely dislike the MC, that's not what I'm arguing against. I just think some of the criticism reflects those underlying expectations, which is why I said it has misogynistic undertones.
How's this misogynist?? They both are men grown men it just reveals u as a fetishizer who cannot see two gay men as men u gonna give one of them a role of woman
eww what a weirdo
Agreed! he's the WOOOORST! At least, he is a sociopath! what a little liar. and a little bxtch for running away. After 7 years he didnt ask his bf ANY questions about his feelings? and he completely lied about his past trauma. He's blaming his bf for everything. now he's happily planning a future with a stolen child. what a nightmare person. Well, maybe the author is really young? this isn't how adult relationships work, lmao its just nonsense. (⌒▽⌒)
wether the mc is a man or a woman they're a sociopathic liar who just ran off with a child that is not 'only' his. what a nightmare person. what does misogyny have to do with this topic again?
Is this ragebait ?? I mean not to be tht person how is it considered running away when ml was the one who broke up with him lol ,i mean yeah it was shitty of him not to tell him abt tht night. But still i dont think its mls business where mc goes after the breakup nd how tf did mc steal the child when it takes 2 to make a kid lmao, he just chose to hide , he never stole anything nd again tht was wrong but thts not stealing. Mc never really lied he mostly never really said the truth . And calling him a sociopath when he is exactly the opposite of it is funny lol especially with such low self confidence nd self love dude is far from being a sociopath.
They both got thier issue's nd mc's current mental state aint the best with him being an omega + pregnant suddenly with all the mental stress the current decisions he makes here seems plausible its not always possible to do the right decisions nd this is bl lmao , ur expectations cant be tht high here . Also if u read the novel u cls maybe connect more with thier internal processings bc there alot of internal monologues in the novel .
I wldnt call the author amaeturish either , she has a thing for mis communication tho in all her novels , her novels are more of a emotional melodrama which may not translate as good in the manhwa
Its quite a suprise to me on how ppl interpret this manhwa , maybe i am quite biased since i read the novel.
soo basically the mc also has trauma not just the ml lmao. its the miscommunication trope babe they’re both at fault. you can’t get mad that mc had a whole seven years to talk to the ml about his feelings when the ml had a whole seven years to open up about his trauma and he didn’t, it takes two to be in a relationship
Because your original comment screams misogynistic! 'Oh nooo my man have ptsd. Fuc that pregnant person who make him sad, such a victim and stupid bottom'.
Hmm I wonder who often faces these words in real life
No ur right that's how the story is gonna be the mc will be intolerant in the future with his equally fvcked up decisions
He wasn't even pregnant before when the ml made the break up decision and he did that bc he thought he cheated on the mc that too bc of the mc lying to him with a straight face let's stop babying the bottom bc uall think they are women cz both of them are in wrong
i see where you're coming from, but at least for me you're making a LOT of assumptions about the original comment. i don't think there's enough context to say there are "misogynistic undertones." popoy just says the MC is playing the victim and that the story isn't exploring the ML's trauma enough. and it's true that the narrative frames the MC as the "victim" of the situation and has yet to address the ML's childhood sexual abuse outside of "oh, so THAT'S why he hasn't banged the MC yet."
(and to clarify, when I say the MC is being framed as the "victim," I mean the story, at least in the manhwa, isn't throwing any meaningful criticism or consequences at him for his actions, instead justifying them using MC's poor unrequited love as an excuse. like we already know the ML is going to suffer for his mistakes with the ensuing chasing arc, so can the MC at least feel a little guilt or regret over some of the shit he did? I guarantee there would be less hate then.)
anyway, maybe the original commenter can't stand the MC because of these "underlying expectations" you were talking about, or maybe they simply dislike him because of the contrived plot. you assumed the former because of your past experiences, and, hey, maybe you're right, but that's not completely fair to the original commenter. there's just not enough evidence to tell and to throw out accusations, especially since other people started to bandwagon on the "misogyny" allegation and leave unnecessarily nasty replies.
I aldready mentioned on why i felt there are misogynistic undertones , i mean if u didn't feel anything good for u but tht was my personal evaluation on whtvr op initially said first. I am sorry i dont think no where in the story it justifies any of mc's deeds we just see his pov , just bc we see the story moving forward through his eyes doesn't mean its justifying whtvr he did or he does in the future, its just we get see his thought process nd wht cld have made him do these but thts still not justification unless u make it to be. Here as u can see both the charector r flawed . And i didn't call them a misogynist lol . You cld read my og cmmnt i just mentioned tht it "felt" like ops cmmnt " may " have misogynistic undertones while addressing some of the mis characterization in thier part. And i can't again speak for others who might have felt uncomfortable with op's cmmnts or can i speak on behalf of the op to address wht they had in mind but its a commnt section lol , u can express ur discern on certain cmmnts aslong as ur civil , which i think I was nd also i dont think my initial cmmnt was anything rude .
Well for me I think I do get what ur saying.The comment really is one sided. U can’t really tell that much whether it’s misogynistic or the person who said that js loves fantasizing abt ml cuz her/his perspective is that she/he is the y/n lolll, but it’s def one of the two or BOTHHH LMAO.
Tbh I’m annoyed at what mc recently did too but when I started reading I was also annoyed by the ml. I js don’t understand why ppl can’t even see that both has mistakes.
I really loved ur comment abt traumas where only one trauma is being analyzed.
For the trauma part I feel like the ml’s trauma is getting seen by other ppl as “worse” than what the mc got js because it’s abt sexual stuff, while the mc
is seen as “just beaten by ppl”. It really says a lot abt the society always weighing different traumas and the ones that are seen as “worse” is what they favor the most, when in the first place all types of traumas shouldn’t even be compared at all.