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BagguShingoYa January 14, 2021 10:22 am

I've been reading this manga since my teens and as soon as I heard the remake, I went off to watch the OVA, MV and re-read the manga here.. I still couldn't forgive Seishiro for what he did to Subaru and especially to his twin sister, Hokuto.

Their time as the dynamic trio was too short.. I loved Hokuto so much in the manga to see her died like that it breaks my heart.
Even more heartache when u see her appear again on X/1999 as the roaming spirit in Kakyo's dreamscape and Subaru's catatonia state.

I wished there was a way to resolve Subaru's bond towards Seishiro.. but it seems, he really deserves to die by the hands of Subaru instead. Really, no matter if you follow through Subaru's story from TB series all the way to X, it's really tragic; from a shy and cheerful teen Subaru to more depressive, emotionless adult. It's just too much to bear

    cielo27 March 9, 2024 5:52 am

    please tell me, which one should i read first? x1999 or tokyo babylon?

    mrmr March 15, 2024 8:15 pm
    please tell me, which one should i read first? x1999 or tokyo babylon? cielo27

    The end of Subaru and Seichiro' story is in x1999. But I have to warn you, x1999 is still in hiatus (and it's already 20years...)

    cielo27 March 25, 2024 7:52 am
    The end of Subaru and Seichiro' story is in x1999. But I have to warn you, x1999 is still in hiatus (and it's already 20years...) mrmr

    thanks!

BagguShingoYa December 29, 2020 5:31 pm

Why do I have this feeling that Katsumi is still depressed and the relationship he has with Maki was a way to atone his guilt for rejecting him?.. he does reciprocate Maki's feelings for him since their high school days right?... maybe I'm just too overthinking about the ending.. Katsumi probably gone through some rehabilitation while he's with Maki. 10 years of continuous self-loathing isn't so easy to overcome.

    Charlotte January 17, 2021 12:51 am

    If the story would be longer, I think the possibility of atonement is going to appeared at some point, bcs yes it's true that 10 years self loathing and depressed is not an easy thing to get rid of. Maybe at some point he would reminded of his dirty past self again, and then suspicious of his own feeling. But I can see Maki would be there again for him aaaaaa (/TДT)/

BagguShingoYa August 28, 2018 6:29 pm

that jerk could at least talk it out by keeping his ego in check.. poor dong gyun... he suffered a lot... i just hope in the chapter he realize its not worth keeping a 'company' for this idol of his.. Sunbae on the otherhand better be apologizing to him.. like stop making Dong gyun being your sex buddy/slave... that guy is just too pure(pfft tho not anymore)

BagguShingoYa November 3, 2017 5:07 pm

Omg.. SIMON!! U should know better that Veronica is a psycho bitch!!...

And poor Conor he must've waited for him for hours to surprise him with the wedding suit on... wtf... u gotta switch on that instincts, yo

BagguShingoYa November 3, 2017 4:10 pm

Hey, guys. I've been wondering... How old are they in their current age and how old were they when they broke up?

here's the thing:

I made a quick maths(no pun intended) on how old when they met each other as kids...I'm guessing they were 10 years old(?) considering their first performance was on halloween; beforehand they met a group of 5th grader girls? (Simon told them the girls are older so they should be 4th graders at that time)
And so after reading chapter 26 their intense/romantic relationship sparked 5 years before Simon's debut as a 'legit' singer...so they should be 20 back then?

And they break their relationship after 2 years which means they should be somewhere between 22 - 23 years?... so roughly as what Conor mentioned in chapter 22, it was more than half a year since they broke up... so are both of them somehow aged of 24 to 25?

because its kinda impossible to think Simon's became fast famous singer for only less than a year, where else most singers spent years of practising/rehearsing/produce their own first single album and debut preparations for longer period of time...

(or perhaps that explains why Simon's promiscuous behaviour brought him into fame so quickly) :-?

    月島 蛍 November 3, 2017 4:43 pm

    Check the first chapter

    月島 蛍 November 3, 2017 4:46 pm

    Actually, I'm wrong. But it says it all happened 14 years ago. Their love.
    Still,check first few chapters,I am sure it is mentioned

    BagguShingoYa November 3, 2017 5:11 pm
    Actually, I'm wrong. But it says it all happened 14 years ago. Their love.Still,check first few chapters,I am sure it is mentioned 月島 蛍

    Oh i think i got it!! Haha.. well in chp 72 Conor mentioned he is 27 by now .. which is kinda a reasonable age for guys like him working as a writer for a magazine company.. and sort of for Simon as well...

    Bunni November 3, 2017 5:35 pm
    Oh i think i got it!! Haha.. well in chp 72 Conor mentioned he is 27 by now .. which is kinda a reasonable age for guys like him working as a writer for a magazine company.. and sort of for Simon as well... BagguShingoYa

    Conor and Simon are 27 years old, they broke up for 2 years before they got back together.

    Vaccines November 3, 2017 8:34 pm

    I have actually finished the story.All 82 chapters of it,but im reading it again to make sure about some things and remember some details.Simon and Connor must had been 8-9 years old when they first met and they were already boyfriends during high school.Currently im reading the story again and now im on chapter 18 in which is stated that after graduation Simon and Connor got their own place and lived together which means they had been boyfriends for 8 years before their breakup.From 18 to 26.I'm pretty sure they were separated for a little more than 6 months.Simon broke up with Veronica and he visited Simon very soon after that.It's a bit complicated with the timeline but i don't believe they were separated for years.Just a few months but i will continue reading to make sure.

    月島 蛍 November 4, 2017 5:19 am
    I have actually finished the story.All 82 chapters of it,but im reading it again to make sure about some things and remember some details.Simon and Connor must had been 8-9 years old when they first met and the... Vaccines

    Wait is this completed?

    Vaccines November 4, 2017 5:29 am
    Wait is this completed? 月島 蛍

    It is completed but only the Korean version.Currently there are 76 chapters in English in the official website Lezhin.And now I'm sure Simon and Connor were separated only for 6 months.It says so in chapter 22.And Connor visited Simon few days later.

    月島 蛍 November 4, 2017 6:37 am
    It is completed but only the Korean version.Currently there are 76 chapters in English in the official website Lezhin.And now I'm sure Simon and Connor were separated only for 6 months.It says so in chapter 22.... Vaccines

    WHAT IT ENDED???
    82 CHAPTERS ONLY!!????
    PLEASE SPOIL ME- ARE THEY HAPPY TOGETHER

    Vaccines November 4, 2017 7:29 am
    WHAT IT ENDED??? 82 CHAPTERS ONLY!!????PLEASE SPOIL ME- ARE THEY HAPPY TOGETHER 月島 蛍

    Yes.A month ago.I didn't liked the ending for many reasons but what can we do?Lol.
    Dark Heaven is 82 chapters but I really hope for some extras.I have been dying to know what is going to happen to Gale and Hasco and my heart hurts for Kiev.I want to see him happy with someone who is going to love him deeply and unconditionally just like Kiev deserves to.I was so sad to see him in the end broken hearted still not over his love for Simon.It's so unfair for Kiev.Tbh I ship him and Simon in the most hardcore way possible and i believe Kiev could be a way better partner for Simon than Connor.

    月島 蛍 November 4, 2017 8:53 am
    Yes.A month ago.I didn't liked the ending for many reasons but what can we do?Lol.Dark Heaven is 82 chapters but I really hope for some extras.I have been dying to know what is going to happen to Gale and Hasco... Vaccines

    Aye son, no ahahah. Conor and Simon. Simon and Conor.
    But okay, your opinion, I won't attack you for it. I respect you :3
    So nothing was said about Gale and Hasco anymore? Dawh bummer.
    Thank you for this, I hope for extras too!
    (づ ̄ ³ ̄)づ

    BagguShingoYa November 5, 2017 6:37 am

    Thank you so much for the responses, guys~ honestly im sadden with how the ending goes without knowing what hpn to gale and hasco, also kiev. But accordingly to juns twitter there is going to be an extra chapter: a back story of gale. Maybe another backstory for hasco ad well?

    Vaccines November 5, 2017 7:31 pm
    Thank you so much for the responses, guys~ honestly im sadden with how the ending goes without knowing what hpn to gale and hasco, also kiev. But accordingly to juns twitter there is going to be an extra chapt... BagguShingoYa

    There is a preview and i think that Veronica's ghost is trying to steal one of Conor's underwear and death is dragging her back to abyss.

    Vaccines November 5, 2017 7:41 pm
    There is a preview and i think that Veronica's ghost is trying to steal one of Conor's underwear and death is dragging her back to abyss. Vaccines

    There was an extra chapter after chapter 81 but idk what is going on but im assuming its supposed to be funny since they are all chibis.And there was another extra chapter after the "ending" chapter 82.They are all still in chibi form and idk what is going on since those are from the Korean website.Still need more serious extras...

    BagguShingoYa November 6, 2017 5:35 am
    There was an extra chapter after chapter 81 but idk what is going on but im assuming its supposed to be funny since they are all chibis.And there was another extra chapter after the "ending" chapter 82.They are... Vaccines

    OMG.. that is sooo grossss... and why i'm not surprise she can does that even after she died... ( ̄∇ ̄")

    i found her twitter recently she did posted the chibi comic in korean and it is so adorable.

    thumbcat November 6, 2017 9:58 am
    Conor and Simon are 27 years old, they broke up for 2 years before they got back together. @Bunni

    INCORRECT: They've only been broken up for just over *6mos* for at the end of Chapter 1, total time apart is around 8mos by time they are back together in Chapter 47.

    thumbcat November 6, 2017 10:46 am

    So, there is some age/Calendar weirdness - FYI. Short Version - Best guess with in-comic calendar: met around Age 9, Ch 1 was Age 27, by Ch 82, Age 30-31

    Biggest problem: She says "15 years ago" - which would mean they met at Age 12, which would make it 6th grade, which is clearly not true.

    Easiest Fix: If Conor had said "25 years old" instead of 27. It would mean that they would've been a bit awesome as a band, landing their permanent gig at Café Live at Age 20, only 2 years out, but it would make the rest of the timeline fit.

    LONG VERSION - SPOILERS
    Here's what's stated explicitly that we know of in the comic:
    - the Halloween Concert is in 4th grade (we know this because the girls that ask are in 5th grade and are "older than them") - Conor fell in love after this. Age 10
    - 5th grade for first kiss (hospital), Pete was in 6th grade same year. Age 11
    - No more kisses allowed in junior high per Conor - Age 13-15
    - Date with Sasha, 3 seconds, Dragons Movie 4 afternoon - all mid high school - Age 16
    - Move in with Simon start Indie Band career - Age 18

    **From here we have to count backwards from Conor on the phone with his mom and mentioning "27 is young to get married" just before the WAF incident.
    - Land permanent Gig at Café Live - "5 years Ago" - Age 22
    - Indie Band TV show thing - "Two years Later" - Age 24
    - Conor on phone with his mom talking about marriage - Age 27
    - Club Live attack, T Rex solo scout, Conor's Parents finding out, Conor's hands broken by WAF - all within 2mos - Age 27

    Current time
    Counting forward from "Conor Phone Call Time" with some liberal medical assumptions.
    - WAF Conor beatin's - Age 27
    **ASSUME: 1-3mos hospitalization depending on number of surgeries + "Months after hospital living with Simon" per Conor = 6-8 MONTHS
    **FACT: Stated several times in comic 8 MONTHS break-up until re-unite in 47
    = AGE 28-29

    END GAME TIME

    **Simon's Coma**
    - 2mos stated at Christmas + Sakura blooms = 6mos total
    **Chapter 82**
    - Conor's hair growth at ceremony, assumes Simon's time of recovery post-coma = 1-1.5 years
    = AGE 30-31 at wedding.

    **Age at Concert** No way to tell, Conor's hair is down to his ass again.

    thumbcat November 6, 2017 10:59 am
    Conor and Simon are 27 years old, they broke up for 2 years before they got back together. @Bunni

    LOL - My apologies, I realized that my label on the other post sounds super rude! - I've gotten a bit neurotic about organization from arguing with Vaccines on these forums over the last month or so. My bad. :(

    月島 蛍 November 6, 2017 11:15 am
    So, there is some age/Calendar weirdness - FYI. Short Version - Best guess with in-comic calendar: met around Age 9, Ch 1 was Age 27, by Ch 82, Age 30-31Biggest problem: She says "15 years ago" - which would me... thumbcat

    'Down to his ass again'
    I love this so much

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