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Because it’s not a topic that should be taken lightly and be pictured in a smut bl

You are right but some people always want to find something to be upset about

i don’t think it’s taken lightly this was something that actually happened (the racism against black people) i think it’s not that bad if mentioning it in a bl or whatever the manhwa category is since it’s something historical i think the writer did the part where black people were working just as a part of how life was like back in this timeline not in a racist way (sorry for my terrible English)

i don’t know maybe they got it wrong i mean the intention of making the working black people’s part i don’t think the writer intended to show it as racism

anything's possible, so maybe this creator will turn out to have done their research and not be insensitive or ignorant, but I'm already skeptical due to the choice of character backgrounds. like of all the kinds of people and stories you could tell about this time period in this place, why are these the ones chosen? what's the appeal of their dynamic? why choose this setting and time period for that? if the creator hasn't done their due diligence, those questions will have very unflattering answers.
as it stands, it looks like a very deliberate choice to write around the existence of Black people who lived during that time even though their presence is integral to the livelihoods of the MCs. maybe the author thought they'd avoid the backlash they're now getting by doing that, but that's still an expression of racism, by ignoring that Black people are also people who want their stories and experiences told and treated with respect. and if the author didn't want to include Black people, which they're ultimately not obligated to do, they would have been better off choosing another topic and setting to write about, because like it or not, when writing about American history, you'll have to grapple with the racial dynamics of this country one way or another, to say nothing of the civil war era (even postwar) where the crux of the conflict was "what are we going to do with Black people (are they even people?)". to then make the only Black people in the story be faceless mobs seemingly only with the intention of making the white MC look good and ethical, just rubs salt in that wound. if the author wanted an interracial cowboy romance with this particular dynamic, they had other options for time and setting (and not to mention that those power and racial dynamics are present in other times as well).
every choice a creator makes in their story reflects their knowledge and interests, which are not free from bias. intentional or not, I see a lot of opportunity for missteps here.
I liked these threads for more background info - https://x.com/SPLover1863/status/2069382347972063697
https://x.com/SPLover1863/status/2069512321475465603

you got a point tho ty for explaining

Racism is a thing in talking about the African American slavery and the abuse of powers toward native nations

Im not in*

they didn’t do anything direct that may insult african americans
i don’t really understand the amount of hate

Pls be for real

It just SHOULDN’T be a smut bl plot/topic and be romanticized

racism isn't always direct insults and targeted violence. it's also erasure and exclusion, putting particular people in particular roles. similar to how bullying isn't always physical violence, racism can operate in all kinds of subtle, indirect ways that can be hard to explain to other people if they aren't the target of it. euphemisms, plausible deniability, dogwhistles.... many explanations have also been given in these comments for why people are reacting negatively to this. you can also take a look at the threads I linked previously.

but i think we are just making it bigger than how it is? i don’t understand the problem in choosing this period
also black people had experienced horrible things in the past that they treated animals better than how they were treated and since the white had the greater power that’s why he could spare them all just like how he wouldn’t let them go
also in A LOT of manhwas the writer doesn’t bother to draw every face or another reason maybe the writer doesn’t exactly know how to draw their faces because its clear that they can only draw specific faces and there’s no much diversity in how they draw different characters
what im trying to say is that everyone is judging so quickly the first chapter isn’t even released yet and everyone is hating on it it’s just a lot of things aren’t clear yet so we shouldn’t misjudge till we know how the story will keep going

THEY DIDNT ROMANTICISE ENSLAVING WYM THE MANHWA BARELY STARTED this was literally how life was back THIS WAS REAL yes it was bad BUT REAL
the author did nothing that seems insulting towards them they just DREW HOW LIFE WAS BACK THEN
I DONT UNDERSTAND YALL FR

but the author didn’t put particular people in particular roles because that’s literally how they were treated back then i see that the author did nothing insulting to them
and why are we assuming that the author used euphemisms and plausible deniability and dogwhistle when all what they drew was making them work like how they were treated back then?
i understand it’s a heavy topic showing how african americans were called and treated but drawing that in a manhwa isn’t anything but a part of the period
the author didn’t yet glorify mistreating them it’s just we’re predicting too many bad things when it’s only the first chapter that was released

I was giving general examples of how racism can be expressed in subtle ways, not saying the author was doing all of them in this series.
if you read my first reply to you again, you might note that didn't make any final conclusions, but I expressed why I wasn't confident that this series would handle the racial issues of the setting well. I explained why I thought that and that it wasn't just because the story involves slavery and post-civil war conditions or the lower status of Black people at the time. it's possible to write and depict Black people during that time period respectfully and as people/characters like any other, and this series does not appear to be doing that so far. instead, they're shown in a faceless mob as basically props to showcase the MC's character, in contrast to a white side character who's also not important to the plot, but gets a face. it's small, but it's not an encouraging sign that makes me expect better in the future. this is on top of the power dynamic between the main characters, and the wording of the synopsis, which also makes me skeptical about where this will go.
once you see enough repetitions of the same thing, you can start recognizing patterns in things. here, it's the subtle racism of how Black people are excluded, erased, or minimized in historical fiction that have every reason to give them focus.
if you're not familiar with it, you might want to look up "white savior narratives" and read/watch some things on that to see what people mean and why they have a problem with it.

Im your humble slave master or sum bs like that , if that isn’t romanticizing slavery seriously