Ilymir's Topics (13)

hell naw

Hell yeah

F U. Nooo!!

Luv U. Yesss!!

I hate seeing your comments.

REALLLLLLLL

It's not even cute at all twisted ship

Twisted to you, they’re everything to me

up 2u, but personally i wouldn't like anyone who shanked me to death

Shanked?! We are not reading the same comic bro

why we gaslighting now, i just accepted your opinion and you're entitled to your own opinion... It's a slang lol i personally wouldn't want to love someone esp if I'm aware they were involved in my death and they backstabbed or essentially betrayed me. that's a whole ass death flag I'm walking into.

If you don’t know what gaslighting is you are not being forced to use it in a sentence I promise. Also I should preface I’ve read spoilers but ultimately I love causing chaos so I chose not to<3 me personally I would not want to love someone that is a man yet I ship them, I can have fun and enjoy ships and also not want that for myself!

yk bye this ain't worth my time, fr gaslighting, i just accepted your ship okay bye no point

Kids really need to learn what words mean before just throwing them in a sentence cause they’re fun or whatever. Cause wtf you mean gaslighting????? Instead of spending your time reading comics you should pull out the dictionary or something cause my god you need it!

Actually I was just a paid actor by my sister so disregard that last statement. It says you want to read Queen of the Veil!!!!!!

Ur a <stranger> is one of my favorites too!!!!!! Willow is such a good artist

search for comic cons in your area, social media and clubs/societies you can join- good luck!

If your fine with it, open to it, and don't mind it, you could upload it to the manga go board; Sharing it on any social media works too as long as you tag the webtoon. I would recommend reddit if you don't mind.
If it's a thing you wanna share in person, what the person above said works perfectly to. Goodluck :)))

I got to debut her in a cosplay competition this last weekend actually! It’s just that not a single person knew what I was dressed from so that’s why I’m wondering where best to show off where others fans would recognize it from, thanks for the advice!!!

I’ve actually never messed with the boards here on mangago, forgot it was even a thing, I’ll definitely keep it all in mind thanks for the tips!!!

Also i guess twitter and instagram are also good places to share it <3 just sont forget to use the hashtag of the manwha i am sure some people will see and be amazedn unfortunately there are not that many historical manwha cosplays <3

Thank you and yes! And it’s such a shame bc there are so many pretty characters and dresses to cosplay in! Hopefully with the genre getting more popular more will start popping up!!

Im a apart of a reddit group that looooves Otome and Isekai type stories. A lot of members showcase their own webtoons/manhwas there too. If you're okay with Reddit, signup and then search for our group is r/OtomeIsekai and join. Make a post of your pictures. :-))

I was actually just looking at this exact group on Reddit, I’ve never posted on Reddit before so I’m a tad intimidated but I may give it a try! Thank you!

Yaaay! I hope you join! It's not as intimidating as you'd think. Once you get over 1st post jitters, it's easy-peasy. You are welcome! :-))

What’s to understand about Freya?

What to understand? She just salty bij.. good thing she got her karma ┑(￣Д ￣)┍

i mean at least its not cesare lmao djdjjdjdjdbd

true that...

Nah, you won't get my downvote troll, you can fap to my comment instead

Damn you just be sick like her huh lmao

I could try and explain it to you but I assume you can’t handle understanding more than 2-3 perspectives at once

Not discounting that she definitely needs the karma but I completely understand why she’s a salty bitch and if I were in her position I probably would be too（╹◡╹）♡

Nah Cesare is irredeemable scum

If you wish, but no trolling is being done here, Freya is just my favorite character in the series bc I like for the things to be at least a little interesting

I could fix her but whatever she’s got going on is way hotter

But she's not interesting, she's predictable and salty. Ml doesn't owe her anything, he never gave her any sign over wanting her romantically. Fl doesn't owe her anything for being with ml either. Being salty and abusing a fellow woman over dating someone that never looked at you in the first place screams of insecurity and pettiness. No one with self respect and basic human decency would do what she did ¯_(ツ)_/¯ She's trash and boring af

I could understand someone explaining anyone else’s understanding of another character’s perspective in this storyline except for Freya and Ceasar, they’re a bit hard to like and it’s not rocket science to see why. So that is why I asked because I was curious as to what you understood about Freya that nobody else would.

Trying to destroy someone else relationship, but at the end of the day..her relationship herself is (spoiler)...1 word only to Freya..delusional

not the i can fix her you are beyond fixing bby

but please do explain why you like her so much, maybe i'll understand?

Bc Ruby’s whole remain quiet and never explain anything leading to misunderstanding leading to issues leading to eventual semi understanding to temporary everything is better for a bit hasn’t been predictable or boring my bad. Also to clarify even tho she is my favorite doesn’t mean I believe she’s innocent and that everything she does is right. She’s stupid sometimes and majorly flawed as a character and that’s what I like. Good for you if you can still enjoy characters that are never in the wrong and always perfect but I’ve gotten extremely bored of it.

My bad then I definitely came off too harsh I apologize for that. I just notice that most ppl refuse to understand all sides especially with the uprise in Ellen hate lately for some reason?? To start off with I definitely recognize that she is not a good person and she need’s consequences for her actions. However, I just find her character interesting and tragic bc from her view she’s led herself to believe that one day Izek will fall in love with her since she’s been putting the pieces in place for years now. She’d rearrange the stars in the sky for a man that wouldn’t glance her way and she’s now convinced herself with all the work she’s put in that Ruby is what’s holding him back from her. She can’t see that Izek will never reciprocate and she’s reaching by attacking Ruby instead which is wrong. It’s even more prevalent in recent chapters that she’s grasping at straws at this point and bringing herself to ruin all for a man that never cared for her when she dedicated everything to him. While that’s not exactly Izek’s fault I can see how from her perspective it’s completely unfair that she puts in all this effort and patience to lose him to a girl that from when she first stepped foot in the North she had everyone around her agree that girl didn’t belong and would bring them to ruin. She was further encouraged and justifying herself with that logic and also believed she was helping the North to try and get this girl who ‘threatened’ them out. Even now she’s watching the man she’s always wanted be with a girl who just gave into the rumors she heard and appears to be cheating on that man(although she is very stupid as the comic so clearly presents that scene as non consensual as hell, I wish Freya did have less tunnel vision and a bit more thought sometimes)

Hate my delusional queen all you want but until you learn to understand other perspectives you’ll never see how from her view Ruby destroyed her potential relationship she was crafting for years, almost like she was meant to end up with Izek in the original story if she were a female lead meaning there’d have to be some truth to that, oh wait-

I’ll do my best just for you. Girl who spent years trying to play the long game to get the man she always wanted vs. girl who didn’t even really want him that much and had the marriage dropped in her lap, I prefer hard workers sorry. Also a fan of her flawed personality and the tragicness of her situation. She is not a good person but that makes her more human imo, she’s mean and does things like using her connections to pull ppl to her side in order to get the outcome she wants. She’s definitely tunnel visioned rn and acting stupid and I can sense she’ll soon get some consequences to her actions which she definitely needs. But when she does use her head, she’s a master manipulator and also acting in a way that’s encouraged by the other ppl around her which further justifies to herself how she’s treating Ruby. I understand she won’t get a good ending as she’s been a bad person to the fl and she’s an antagonist so she’ll be punished in a way to appease the fans but at the end of the day she was originally a fl in her own story. In a story where Ruby isn’t our lead and we get Freya’s perspective she likely did the same stuff as she does now but she gets the man and she gets her happy ending all while remaining a mean and calculating person. Some of the stuff she’s done would be praised and ‘she’s a girlboss’ and ‘yeah, girl you show that b-‘ in another perspective. Ultimately it comes down to she’s interesting and different and not a good person who can do absolutely no wrong, she’s fighting for a love (albeit with a shitty man) that has the odds against her, her actions can be understood due to environment and the things she reads into further leading her into believing in possibilities, and she would 100% be everyone’s favorite fl had perspectives changed. I can totally understand why ppl don’t like her but personally I find her to be interesting and can see why she acts the way she does.

How does comparing her character with another is supposed to make me see what's so interesting about her? I don't see why you felt the need to compare, but if you want my opinion in this, no, Ruby may not be unpredictable but she's a heavily traumatized character and if you made the tiniest research over how hard it is to 'speak' for victims of abuse, you wouldn't make this ignorant statement. Also, what are you talking about? Ruby is a flawed, humane character as well, she's just not an abuser, and abusive characters are as common as non abusive characters. Ruby at least has depth as a character who is explored for their trauma in the story, Freya is a shallow, overused copy pasted mini villain.

Actually, calling her delusional means she can see her pov pretty well. In her mind, ml owes her a relationship and fl is a villains for taking the relationship she NEVER was owed away from her. That's a very egocentric and delusional way to see things. You can understand the perspective of a character and at the same type criticize it.

i'd be lying if i said i didn't expect the "she spent years trying to win izek over" which you're not wrong on, but you have to realize what she's doing now (ever since ruby arrived) is not it. i like the way you think and i can agree that she's definitely more human than some other characters in this story, but she's not only destroying herself with these actions but also those around her.
you also have to understand that after witnessing a brother forcefully kiss her younger sister and then victim shame them is not cute.

yes some insults could've been justified but making everybody turn on fl just bc you didn't obtain what you want? ofc she's gonna get the punishment she deserves.
now i'm not saying shes the worst villain ever (there is so much worse, in this case ceasar) and i dont agree with how some people portray her, but lets not go around praising her either yeah? anyway i like your brain so lets totally be friends (not a fan of freya but would definitely like to hear your opinion on other things in manhwa stories)

also ty for explaining boo xx

You can understand a perspective and at the same time criticize it. Ml didn't owe her a relationship and never gave her any sign of it. In her view, a man who never looked at her should have been with her, and the woman who that man is in love with, is the villain which she believes deserves to be abused. That's fairly delusional. She was NEVER owed anything, she made the dreams all by herself and released her hatred on people for having free will and living their lives the way they want. Being this delusional and straight up narcissistic is not a flex, it means you need help to manage your ego. No one owes anything anyone. People have free will and aren't made to be toys that will act according to your dreams and demands. Not being with you, doesn't make them the 'villain', it just means that you need therapy to manage your low self esteem and recognize that not everyone will act according to your whims.

Oh shit, thought my previous response wasn't sent because mangago got stuck lmao So i basically double replied

I used Ruby for comparison bc based on the way you hate Freya I can only assume your favorite is Ruby and I was explaining how she’s uninteresting to me in the way Freya is uninteresting to you. Point is you’ve already set your mind that’s she’s uninteresting and unoriginal so there’s very small chance I change your mind on you liking an antagonist. So what you said is ‘why do you like a predictable character?’ And when I explained the female lead is just as predictable you said ‘why does it matter that she’s predictable?’. Also I understand her mental illness and how the miscommunication often comes from her abuse and mistreatment but that doesn’t mean just bc she’s abused and mentally ill I have to lie to myself and remain interested when it leads to the same process everytime. I look forward to when she finally develops and heal and we can break this cycle but in the meantime it’s gotten repetitive and I’m bored with it. Also you do realize she’s a more in depth character compared to Freya bc she’s the female lead right? Like if this was done from Freya’s perspective we’d get more depth on her right? Like the original version didn’t have Freya as the fl with the same exact personality the difference is with her as the fl she got a happy ending, right? Imo Ruby is just like most fl’s and can do no wrong ever and I’m uninterested just as you are with Freya. At the end of the day I just voiced my opinion that I like her character and you were the one bothered enough to comment.

I totally do get she’s in the wrong, I’m not so insane that I’d blindly ignore her terrible actions.the way she treat Ruby IS terrible, and she definitely does need consequences I won’t deny that at all but she’s still interesting to me. I like understanding her terrible choices, for example, she treats Ruby so horribly bc everyone around her is doing it to just much more subtly and with everyone around her hating Ruby it makes her think she’s in the right when we can obviously see she isn’t. Also 100% agree I read these recent chapters and kinda hold my head going ‘Freya you’re giving your haters what they want use your head girl..’. She’s totally in the mindset rn where Ruby is bad for what she wants and bad for the North so instead of rationally witnessing the assault and understanding what actually happened she’s using it to further justify in her mind that Ruby is a bad person out to ruin her life. Also the making everyone turn on her, that part was interesting to me! She’s not like the other girls that talk shit behind Ruby’s back and hope she’ll disappear, she’s taking action to see her results and that’s interesting to me! Is it good? No! But it’s entertaining and adds layers to her character! She definitely does deserve punishment for her actions I also don’t mean to deny that, you by no means can do all that and expect it to not bite you in the ass. But I always keep seeing it too that if she were the fl, ppl would say she’s so smart and badass but bc we have Ruby’s perspective and a few changes it completely flip flops her from female lead to a main antagonist and that’s so fun to me personally. I also don’t mean to praise her a bunch at all bc her actions are very much wrong but I will still like her character and want to see more of her side on things despite her actions bc seeing why she is horrible is interesting to me. Also hell yeah let’s be friends, if you use instagram at all I’m most active there and we by no means have to like the same characters bc where is the fun or discussions in that?! Thanks for asking too btw I mostly made the comment bc I’ve been wanting to discuss Freya for a while now and knew this would give me a chance! <3

And? I never originally claimed anything about her and just because i find Freya uninteresting, doesn't mean that i must love the protagonist. There are plenty of villains which i find interesting without actually agreeing with what they do nor mindlessly hating them because they go against mc. And sure, you can have your opinion I'm just stating mine ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Also, with this logic, you've also set your mind over Ruby and Freya.
Also yes, i never said that we wouldn't have a more in depth perspective of Freya if she was the protagonist, I'm saying that her character doesn't have much depth based on her ideals and therefore, even her in depth analysis wouldn't have much to offer unless they built her as a completely new character. If she was the main character, she'd be even more boring. Also, just because she had a different role in the original doesn't mean she is owed anything. Their current life is new. The only thing Ruby has in common with most 'fls' as you state, is the fact that she's not doing anything abusive. Being abusive doesn't automatically make you interesting. And sure, Ruby isn't incredibly amazing but her archetype certainly had more potential to be explored hence why she is the main character and not Freya. Don't get me wrong, there are stories with twisted main characters but those, unlike Freya, have potential.

Oh, and i don't consider Freya evil btw, just to make this clear. She is delusional and horrible but based on the spoilers, not horrible to enough to keep this up after learning the truth about Ruby.

You’re all good g I apologize for responding before seeing all these responses as well I didn’t notice it moved on to a second page. Yeah she’s definitely not owed anything but I can still feel sympathy watching someone work hard and not get what they wanted. I do understand her perspective and I DO criticize it as well, I don’t deny at all that she does bad things and need consequences. I just also look at it from pov and see why she does the things she does, doesn’t justify it one bit but I understand it and find her actions interesting. Now I don’t think she believes Ruby deserves abuse unless I’m missing something and if I am totally point it out. From her view tho I see where she thinks she’s doing what everyone wants by trying to push her away bc she doesn’t understand Ruby’s side. She’s using manipulation tactics and turning the people against her not abusing her like cesare, but again I need to reread it again to be certain so if there’s any abuse I’m forgetting lmk. Also yes! She is very very flawed and not a good person and if they had therapists I’d be stepping up to pay her bills bc she definitely needs it! Personally just find it more interesting that she’s selfish and does selfish things to try and get what she believes is owed to her even though it’s very much not! I’m certain there are other otomeisekai manhwa’s with fl’s who do selfish and manipulative tricks to get their ml and embarrass the antagonist and it gets praised bc it’s a fl and not an antagonist so I don’t see this issue with enjoying and liking a character that I can very much understand isn’t good and needs consequences for her actions. A million fans a day excuse a million fictional men who are horrible and unapologetic for the things they do and will tell you it’s actually okay, I just like a female villain while acknowledging she’s not a good person and not by any means needs to be forgiven and I’m accused of trolling for it

Oh this i completely understand! I like certain villains as well. As long as you don't claim she's nice which would be objectively wrong based on moral standards lol It's the way you wrote it which made it appear like you were trolling lmao
Although I personally don't like her (not because she's a villain but because i find her stereotypically annoying as a character) i respect that.

Honestly based on your explanation.. isn't that's what delusional mean? You can still stay delusional and achieve ur goal because you dont have competitor..and you mention she is calculative and clever..but not clever enough to see that izek didn't even give a chance to her

That's surprising coming from you who say 'Understand their perspective' Dont u even think of Ruby perspective that lead her to remain silent. Plus Ruby at least have a story that actually make sense of her characteristics..I afraid to believe u just dont want to understand a character who is abuse victim and suffering mental illness

I keep seeing your replies after I hit send replying to older ones. I won’t respond to everything in the messages I missed since I think I came across better in my last one and you get what I mean a lot more now but to answer a few things. I do apologize for assuming Ruby was your favorite and using her to compare things that’s my bad for jumping to conclusions! I also want to clarify as well bc I keep forgetting to and the way I talk about it I can see why I’d make ppl think so but I don’t hate Ruby at all, I just don’t care for her character as much as Freya’s bc at least from my perspective she’s quite similar to other fl’s in terms of never being in the wrong and always being saved. I also think we just have different views entirely on Freya bc for me at least I do think she has a lot of depth to her and a bunch of potential for things to look into more, for example, what’s up with her relationship with her mom, why is her brother so close to her he blindly attacks Ruby for her to the point of getting his ass beat, how genuine her friendship with Ellen is or ever was, so many things that they can tap way more into. She’s my favorite tho so I may just be wanting to read way more into her than they plan to. I can totally respect if you don’t like her character, I just find that most ppl attack her and refuse to understand her at all in this comment section(-_-)

Not denying she’s delusional the joke is right there and I make it too. Also yes I said she’s calculating and clever, I also said she’s stupid asf! She’s both in different areas, she’s smart when it comes to turning the ppl around her against Ruby, but she also is dense asf that Izek doesn’t like her. She’s clouded by her desperation to be with him that she can put thought into making things harder to try and force Ruby out while not noticing at all that Izek is pretty damn set on staying with his wife. Makes her more complex and interesting to me! I don’t hate Ruby either I just don’t care for her character as much as Freya’s and find her to be repetitive at times and kinda similar to the archetype of ‘this fl never does anything wrong ever and always needs saving’. I totally get Ruby has her reasons and I’m looking forward to when she overcomes her hardships and breaks her current repetitive cycle. In the meantime tho I’m just getting tired of it, just bc I don’t care for the same process over and over and want the story to develop atp doesn’t mean I hate and can’t understand mentally ill and abused characters. Also imo Freya’s characteristics make sense due to her story to me, the actions she’s making based off what’s happening make sense. It’s by no means good and justified but I get why she thinks she’s doing what she needs to. To sum it up tho I don’t hate Ruby at all she’s just overall less interesting to me than Freya, I wish the best for both girls, for Freya to face some consequences and apologize and learn to live for herself, and for Ruby to get away from Izek! I hate that man!

well as long as you're not justifying her actions (smth i've seen way too often with freya fans) and hold her accountable, i have no problem with you liking her

although i would like to give my opinion, her character is a little cliche in some aspects "villainess thoughts are fueled by those around her and she cant think for herself bc of anger"
but i would love to continue discussing with you, you're so sweet <333
i can give you anything really, my insta is novabestgirl (i also just created it)

Lmao it's fine, i got confused myself with this second section window

Yeah of course not, it’s completely possible to like a character but also admit when they are very much wrong and seeing her face consequences for her actions will help lead her to redemption. Also I agree I feel like lately she’s been more disappointing the way she’s no longer being rational and calculating with her moves, just jumping in head first. You’re also so sweet!! I’ll go ahead and follow you rn!!<333