this story is really funny to me bc actually the fiercest feline predator in the whole world is not a tiger, but yumin's species, "Felis nigripes." They can hunt the whole night and slaughter up to 14 preys per hunt (almost one every 40-50 minutes)
Woah everyday you learn something new
Soo thats why they're both hunting each other
that's it? all the problems in one go? i mean, based on the comments i was ready for the runaway arch but.. ok lol
also, the "fierce tiger predator" couldn't listen to yumin's approaching during his call? my cat turn his ears in my direction even if think loud hahaha
He let his guard down
why so short, i swear this chapters fly!!!!! i feel so much anxiety waiting for new chapters but at the same time i can't make myself leave this story to marinate
I enjoyed the father-dauther interactions, i wish there were more screen time with them after the demon king revelation, just like the first chapter when she goes to the demon realm and he says he's not there. I wish it was a canon event :/
I hate how this is so shounen manga-coded (mostly the sexism in some parts), but it was a good read to spend some time. It was funny, specially at the beginning (mostly when he was raising her), although i had to skip to the end when it started getting boring
y'all know that two truths can exist at the same time right? he can be a suicidal that needs help AND a bad father to atempt it in front of his son
plus looking up what "selfish" means in a dictionary could really help some of you into actually thinking
It's the height of selfish to think it's fine to hurt everyone around you and deny their own feelings to alleviate your own despondent solipsism. Suicide is just the peak of that. I will never understand the mindset that says it's fine to hurt everyone around you if you are hurting too. Or were hurt. Or just having a moment.
exactly!
Facts
Minho’s dad was not that Minho was at the scene where he was being suicidal. It doesn’t mean he wanted to do it infront of his kid. Ofcourse you’ll call him selfish because you didn’t feel how worst it is. how worst his state has become when he tried to attempt to un*live himself. It is not selfishness. It is selfish if the person attempt suicide just for attention. We will never understand why depressed people attempt to do suicide because we don’t feel what is happening inside of their system.
If I told you "this dad permanently traumatized his kid and then severed their relationship so there is no chance to reconcile or heal," you would go, "wow, that's the worst dad ever."
Why he did it doesn't change it. As a father, he had a responsibility to his old beyond his absorption in his own trauma. If he was weak, he had a responsibility to at minimum his kid to seek help. He did not, because despondency is the flip side of narcissism. Despair is a sin of pride.
That's why it's selfish. Suicide is the murder of the entire world. A tragic story or situation doesn't make the damage done go away. Having empathy and also acknowledging this are not mutually exclusive.
To his kid* ffs
It will never be selfish because he didn’t choose to have depression. Before he became a parent, it clearly shows in the story that he was heavily dependent to a person just like his ex-wife. That is why in every person, cases of depression is different. We cannot judge them in their “state” where it is almost suicidal. He was clearly not in a sane state. He was not in control with his emotions during that time when attempt to do suicide. But the consequence of his action lead to traumatize his son and now he is trying to fix it. If he is selfish he will never bother to try fix his relationship with his son.
It's still selfish because he had a responsibility he did not fulfill and he did not make an effort to seek help for his malady. Encumbrance with affliction does not free you from responsibility for your behavior.
Was him thinking of his son or was him thinking about himself when he made that decision? Was him blinded by his own pain or was him making that choice bc it was the best for his son? Did he impulsively locked the door before doing it or did he not think about his son at all and left the door open? When you don't take others feelings in consideration while making a decision, what is the word for it?
Yes, depression and emocional dependency can make a person locked in a spiral of emotions, sometimes blinded by their own pain. But, he was a father. Being in pain don't take away that responsibility. Yes, he was not sane. However, you can not make a child disappear. I'm not doubting his need for help. Unfortunately, that do not exempt him of being a father and the consequences his actions take on his son.
When person grow up, they can understand better their parents and even forgive the circumstances of their traumas. However, that does not make the past or the trauma disappear.
Unfortunately, people with mental problems that are without treatment are not the best fit to parenthood. A child. Does not. Disappear.
Like i said before. Two truths can exist. He didn't choose depression. He did not protect his son when he need it the most.
Also, i didn't wanna talk about this, but when you take the end of his marriage in consideration as the epitome of his choice to end himself, in my eyes that make him even as a person with a questionable character, at least.
Alright, let's say he was emotionally dependent of his wife. When they had that picture-perfect family with her, he was a "loving father and husband". However, the story leave some clues that the wife was not the person he thought she was. In other words, he was in love with the idea of her and projected the family he wanted on others.
Many man when in a relationship are the best fathers ever, but the moment they divorce they suddently forget their children. Almost like the love was never there at all.
When a parent is "parenting", their childs needs are their top priority, even when them theirselves need help. That make me think, how did not even a image of his child glimpsed on his head before he do it?? How? He could not bear to lose his family, but is not the son one of them, or was such an "loving father" only thinking of his idea of a family? Was his priority how his son would be after the divorce of that he was devastated abt the break up?
Ok, he couldn't take it and have to end his life. But how he didn't even prepared everything before leaving? Even doing it by impulse, many people leave the child with someone they can trust, but his son did not even occur in his thoughts, while still on the same house.
I might not be a parent myself, but i know the inherent sense of responsability that comes when you become a guardian. You do it by instinct. I acknowledge that it might not be easy for everyone, but was he working on it himself after he became a parent? They say people want to be better when they have a child. There are people that start eating healthy, reading books abt parenthood etc, but how can he know that he had his faults and do not seek help all this time to be a better father?
Last but not least: great! Later he knew he messed up! But he is STILL being selfish. He did not even check on his son and left him with others for YEARS!! "Aw, he is insecure bc he think his son hates him / he would make things worse if he appears now" Like, be for real, he is a grown ass man acting like a teenager. Grown ups have to swallow their embarrassment and do what is best for the child, but he did not even tried to understand what his son was going through or what as best to do as a parent. How did not seek a professional? How did he not made a plan to be reintroduced to his son's life? What he says of thought are merely his assumptions. Excuses to not being accountable for his actions.
Again, it's been YEARS and he had to be called out by a stranger to be CONVINCED into solving the situation!!! He did not move a finger until now. He was so obsessed with his feelings and hidden behind his shame to even attempt to do whats was best for Minho.
I get it that the selfishness of the attempt can diverge opinions, but there is no excuse of how he acted after it. Minho is what? 8 yo now?? That child spent almost all his childhood without the presence of that man. Yes, people can make mistakes and try to be better. But what about all the trauma Minho is still being forced into?
Everything you said was spot on.
To be fair, I understand the backlash to calling it "selfish", beyond just a fear of judgement for their own emotional brokenness, because there is a certain connotation associated with it, associated with people whose character we don't want to empathise with.
But in a way, invoking that is kinda the point.
"selfish
/sĕl′fĭsh/
adjective
Concerned chiefly or excessively with oneself, and having little regard for others.
"a selfish child who wouldn't share toys."
Showing or arising from an excessive concern with oneself and a lack of concern for others.
"a selfish whim."
Caring supremely or unduly for one's self; regarding one's own comfort, advantage, etc., in disregard, or at the expense, of those of others."
Granted, dictionary definitions are not the greatest, but there is no way to not say despondency and suicide don't fall into these categories. We don't think of it that way because we - like most anime artists actually - confuse self-hatred for humility and selflessness.
Humility isn't thinking less of yourself. It is thinking of yourself, less. This is why despondency is a sin of pride. It makes you entirely self-focused.
To go on, while we can grant that the moment of suicide itself was a temporary insanity, the fact is there was a series of "yes"es, a gradually increasing series of indulging in his pain, his alienation, etc, that led to that. A series of moments he could have chosen to be a father and get help and do whatever it takes to do his duty to his son. At no point did he choose that along that line. It becomes like an addiction.
And on the addiction note, having worked with people struggling with it, it's the people who receive nothing but "empathy" who never make it. Like a mother who is too overcome with pain when her child cries to discipline them. Despair is the same.
Couldn't agree more, word by word. Unfortunately, his actions so far make it seem like losing his relationship and ceasing to be a "husband" is worse than losing his role as a "father." I think you summarized it all earlier: "Suicide is the murder of the entire world." Minho is also part of that world. This character was suffering because he "lost his family," but Minho is a key part of that family.
well, that was a slap in the face... the lower back chapter released last week and i saved it to read it later. 3 days later i injured my back by carrying things exactly like MC's friend
Idk, as some are saying in the comments, I also would like to read a story where having children its not portrayed as destiny and the characters actually choose to not have it for once.
BUT, i think the real problem here is that pregnancy at this point at this specific story doesn't seems to fit somehow, it kinda breakes the vibe that was being built. I could see them having a baby later, but now? It seems forced and loses the appeal... we were enjoying the craziness of the MC, but now feels like the narrative is going to focus only on the pregnancy, maybe he will even be more "tamed" and abide by the "omega behavior" because of it... idk, i'm just rambling rn
EDIT: MY POINT IS.... maybe wrong time to introduce a pregnancy arch? it broke our vibes
i kinda get what you mean. in fact i think i lost the plot bc of this baby scare, wasn't MC trying to do some espionage stuff?
feels like the baby is more like a hurdle to that and added to make it a more romcom kind of conflict? that's how i see it at least
tbf pregnancy does often come unplanned irl, and it does disrupt everything else going on. so it's pretty realistic in a way.
i lost it too hahaha i think i'll have to go back a few chapters to grasp the flow of the story again
i hope your guess is right, maybe i'm overthinking it bc of how usually pregnancies in these kinda stories are portrayed. I think its a easy scape to make a plot somehow, and some authors can really ruin a story w it by turning the plot predictable and boring... i really hope this story do not fall into this and that it use this arch to keep being disruptive and exciting as it is being so far. The MC straight up telling his father abt the pregnancy made me optimistic that maybe the author is cooking something good
yeah, i thought about this too, but I came to the conclusion that it wasn't strictly necessary (and maybe not even fully intentional) to be this realistic about an unpredictable pregnancy. i don't really get the feeling the author was going for that here. being an absolute a**, my critique is that this is an easy plot device that could ruin the story at this point by making it predictable and boring, just like so many others. ihope I'm wrong, because i love how creative and funny the story is. not to mention how well written the MC is... it would be so easy for things to become heteronormative and dull if everything starts revolving around the pregnancy ultimately ruining a great character by making him predictable
to add to @itsonfire comments: yeah i kinda agree it feels like an unnecessary plot device to introduce conflict rather than being true to life. i think it would've been better narrative wish if we actually went to a flashback with the og MC to understand his intentions on sabotaging the other guy or going into the experiment that changed their body this much? just to understand what's going on. and then maybe after that we have the pregnancy surprise.
Setting aside the fact that Josh deprived Chase of his son’s entire early childhood, can we talk for a moment about how he simply didn’t think it was necessary to tell Chase that he *didn’t* commit that horrendous act involving the dog?
Let’s be honest: he’s known this for a hell of a long time and just didn’t consider it important enough to mention. As if letting the guy continue to be traumatized wasn’t bad enough, the excuse that he "couldn’t find the right moment" to bring it up was shoved down our throats—and I honestly feel like the story tried to treat me like an idiot on so many different levels.
Josh withheld the truth—he was the guy Chase slept with years ago—choosing to keep Chase in the dark about their night together, their son, and his worst nightmare. I can’t decide whether to label this character as two-faced and morally bankrupt, or the story itself as simplistic and lazy.
There were many moments where I was annoyed by all the filler, but the way things were ultimately resolved leaves a lot to be desired. I’m left with a mix of frustration and the feeling that my time was stolen—though, at the same time, I’m just really glad it’s over.
(I translated this comment directly from my native language using Google Translate; I’m autistic and right now I’m too tired to compose something in another language, so please excuse the robotic tone of the text.)