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Should I?? Looking at the comments some of y'all are divided

I think that you should check it out. Maybe you'll like it. It's not a bad story it's just a bit complicated Not my favourite that's for sure

Hmm （￣へ￣）

You can read the translted novel up to around 300+

Omg I was so angry I forgot to turn on grammarly

In my opinion, her trauma and constant abuse not only in her first life but even her second life took a heavy toll on her mentally that not being able to find safety or even love in both life’s had caused her to see herself as someone who doesn’t deserve it and shouldn’t want it since everytime she does seek that safety she is automatically put into a situation where people accuse her of wrong and turn their backs towards her. I mean even her brother made sure to keep her on a tight leash to make sure she never told anyone what he would do to her. Any slip up or any little reaction that looked like she would seek out help or was not to his satisfaction he would essentially beat it out of her and manipulate her as he did so. He trained her to react the way she did. He instilled it in her through constant abuse that no one would believe her and at any moment the ML will leave her and everyone will turn their backs on her. Of course she would believe it especially with Freya constantly trying to frame her, the head maid putting her in danger and belittling her, but even Ellena was struggling to defend her because of her long personal relationships with the both. She even thought the ML was convinced it was her who poisoned Freya, she thought if she did anything that upset him he would send her back to Romana (the one place she dreads to go back to) and because she finally found comfort with him she was afraid if she told him what was actually happening to her he would leave her. I think there was definitely a lot of misunderstandings happening between her and the ML. I think we should once again also take account of both her lives colliding with eachother because it was not just a couple years of abuse it was probably almost 2 decades worth of abuse in two lives combining into her. She was even put into a body of a person who wasn’t her own (which I think gave her an identity crisis or even made her think what was happening wasn’t real) in the first place and had to quickly learn how to survive in a place she only read from a book. So no. I don’t think she was doing too much. I think everyone reacts differently to trauma and unfortunately it was how she reacted from hers. One life wasn’t enough to show her a way out when she was never shown that she had the ability and the free will to choose that option in the first place. It’s like the saying “you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink” But I can understand as to why you felt so frustrated with her. Which is why I’m glad when she realized she loved Iz and he loved her back unconditionally is when she finally put her foot down and for the first time in both of her lives she stood up for herself against her abuser. It’s not that she didn’t want to be saved but she didn’t realize that she could be saved because the moment she did realize she stood her ground against her brother to free herself from him especially with knowing that he was trying to kidnap her. I don’t mean to be rude when I say this especially with everything you’ve gone through but you should understand that not everyone would react in the same situation as you have done for yours. If that was possible for every person to be able to do what you had the courage to do then there wouldn't be anyone still going through the abuse and suffering that they went through. Unfortunately there are people to this day still stuck in their situation and some haven’t been able to have the courage to get out of it. I don’t think it diminishes them any less.
In the end for me personally I think Ruby’s past trauma and how she reacted to everything goes much deeper and her character has so much more depth than simply seeing her as someone who is doing too much or doesn’t want to be saved. I will like to apologize in advance if I ended up offending you in any way throughout this paragraph. I wish you well fellow reader! Never stop reading! :)

Yo ur right I should have read more. I agree with you. I’ve caught up in the recent chapters and it made me understand her more and ya know what? It’s understandable and realistic, sure I was still frustrated but like it made me realize her depth more. I know no one is like me and truthfully majority of victims aren’t like me but more like her. And to be honest I relate to her. Cuz my family is basically like hers, rich and loved by our community, and tbh I’ve only ran away rather than be free. I saw myself in her and it made me genuinely angry that she didn’t show desperation and deepness of the situation she as in, based on the chaps before ch 100, it really felt like she was prolonging her chance to get a chance to be saved. I understand, when she did it in early chapters and mid chapters but as time passed by Isek has physically, emotionally, psychologically, socially shown his loyalty and devotion towards her, and her just returning back to the past of continuous hiding the pain genuinely killed me, she’s seen first hand how reacted to her distress each time her ptsd kicks in, he’s seen her scars, she’s at least know that Isek had an idea and I know she isn’t that stupid. It just lowk showed her that she’s a helpless and almost unsavable. After chapter 100 instead showing how abuse victims tend to burst out with emotions after years of being stuck in constant growth and decline, instead they showed that after being “saved” she got fixed and gain maturity almost immediately?? How am I supposed to side with her when the side effects of finally being “saves after hiding away for so long” wasn’t even put out in the light and was instead replaced with immediate development?? Its like she’s already developed and has the intelligence and maturity to get away from manipulation or at least the cage she “built herself”. I don’t know, its literally not her fault she’s written this way. Realistically yes, like her tons would have suffered the feeling of never gonna be saved, just like me. Unrealistically, she wouldn’t all be that giddy giddy that fast after finally getting away. The fact is if the continuous abuse throughout decades did take a toll on her, she would have been an empty shell

Omg I should invest more in grammarly

This paragraph is literally the most respectful take i’ve ever seen, you’re safe lol. And wow I never expected someone passionate to make such a well-written paragraph reply in my hot take, trash ass opinion

This did give me clarity on why you were frustrated and angry with her from the first comment and it makes complete sense as to why you would feel that way. It was actually something I had a feeling was your reason as to why you were angry but since we are complete strangers on the internet I didn’t want to overstep my bounds and act as if I knew your story or you as a person when I don’t .I completely agree with you on how once she was saved she healed and gained immaturity almost instantly when she should’ve slowly healed from her trauma to become who she became after she was saved. Especially since throughout the manga it shows how often Iz would trigger her and cause her to react towards that trigger for example the scene in the stables where she suddenly kneeled to the ground and handed him the whip or the scene from the bath when he picked her up to take her to the bedroom and she automatically froze up thinking he was gonna beat her. If it would’ve showed her journey of working on herself to heal from that abuse I think it would’ve been much more better than her suddenly being healed because it would made sense of her character to do so. Since Ruby as a character took a very long time to be able to get out of the situation it should also taken her a while to heal the same. Going back to what I said in the first reply she is dealing with 2 lives worth of abuse so it should of taken a lot more to heal and grow from it. But yes i do agree in how it was unrealistic and honestly how it kinda strayed from the character she is in this story. I wish the authors would have put more effort into that part since i think Rubys healing journey would’ve been an amazing part of her story to implement into this manga. (Although I have no idea how the novels take on this was since I’ve only read the manga not the novel) unfortunately I think they were trying to get past the healing part to continue the story and since I haven’t finished reading this manga yet I think it will be something they implement into the story as it goes on but not in the way I was hoping for it to play out .

Thank you I was honestly very nervous to comment to the point where I was actually going to delete the paragraph I wrote since I’ve never commented on this website before. The fact that you find my paragraph well-written does make me happy because I’ve never been confident in my writing or even giving my own opinion to others. I just love to read mangas or quite literally anything because I get to break down the characters within it and try to understand why they are they way they are and how it makes them react to everything around them. It makes me become so immersed in the story and with the characters. That’s why I love reading :D
Thank you for taking your time to reply I hope you have a good rest of your day fellow reader! ╮(￣▽￣)╭

YOU TOO BAHAHAH LOL

Omg here we go again.. not everyone deals with a trauma like you, you’re strong, I’m proud of you and Ruby’s just a fictional character but even so the whole story is abt her running away from her ab*ser. It’s not easy for her she doesn’t open up to anybody cuz she doesn’t trust anyone, sometimes she’s having enough of everything. The story should basically be called “how to win my wife over” because Izek has always been on her side it’s just Ruby opening up to him later. The story is abt, not only Ruby, but Izek and Ellen as well overcoming their traumas and changing to better for each other. Ruby’s actually trying to escape her ab*sers, do you guys want every fl to wield a sword and fight others just for you to call him a good fl?

I am really sorry to hear about your experience and glad that you managed to get out of it. Still we should remember that she is living in a different reality from ours. Here abuse exists but there are still some mechanism that can even though poorly but help victims like authorities and even social media and a woman can live alone more or less safely most of the time. In her reality (second life) a woman is mostly a possession of a man, she probably couldnt even run away cz it would be unsafe for her as a young and beautiful woman not speaking that her family is powerful and would probably find her easily. In the end the only unexpected place she could safely run away to was a forest with no people but with monsters instead, the place she never imagined that could be safe for her. And this is only one aspect of her situation. I still can relate to your frustration even though thankfully i was never physically abused by my family cz reading similar stories of abuse i want to shout "just leave them behind, go anywhere, but do not stay here with these people" but considering how many stories like this are happening all the time in our reality i just feel so so sad that it is not as easy to do as we might think it is.

honestly speaking, understanding that trauma is entirely different not just based on how one goes through it but also in what setting it occurs. this is clearly depicted as an era where people haven't even come up with names for anorexia and bulimia yet, people treat mental illness as a disease. not to mention, when you have no exposure in life to understanding what trauma and abuse actually is and what healthy families actually look like, you grow up assuming normalcy is what your current state is.

good for you, you got over your trauma, a lot of people don't, especially by themselves. she has been alone her whole life, including the glimpses of what we have seen in the first one. it's unsurprising that in that small amount of time (because btw according to the timeline, 6 months after she got married, they were to hold the gladiator competition and this arc is before the competition) she hasn't gotten magical strength to get better

Btw yes while reading i was also thinking of her deceased mother in law and fl's situation and thought that what they needed was professional psychiatric help but at that time an place there was none. People even kinda accused them for their bhaviour.

This comment thread is going to make me cry cause ya so civilized. This the first time I see ppl express different opinions respectfully and bringing up valid points/reasoning to back up their pov

I feel the same way <3 I feel like this was such a good comment thread that ended up more as a discussion board where we not only shared our perspective and opinions on Rubys character and story but it allowed us to even see her in a broader perspective and learn something about her that we didn’t really catch or take note of when we were reading the story. I love a good debate where although we have different opinions we still are respectful to one another.
So good 10/10 ε=ε=(ノ≧∇≦)ノ

Nope, I was thinking of more like I kinda wanted her to represent abuse victims more accurately instead of the “perfect victim” trope. I don’t know, just me, but like I kinda said in my reply, she just recovered too fast; she closes up too much, and it gets to a point where it’s forced. I can’t help but feel frustrated because I’m no representative for abuse victims but she’s clearly not a very good one. She doesn’t open up to people who actively try to get to know her not because she doesn’t trust them but because she didn’t want to burden them, which again is clear sign of that “perfect victim” trope, makes it look like any woman who lived their whole lives treated like an object as helpless, pitiful, people that amount to nothing, abuse victims are complex, she isn’t, and psychologically speaking based on all those 2 lives combined, she’s supposed to be ennui from the start and until now. It’s like she’s a quick attention grab. But like I said just me. Just my thoughts

Your claim slightly makes no sense, there’s a clear difference between showing signs of mental illness or mental abuse and physical proof of physical abuse.

Even so, she still grew up in the modern era, she mentions multiple times she knew it was abuse and not right, and even if you mention the setting of the 2nd life, she also knows how the abuse is really wrong and immoral, she mentions how the people whom she’s supposed to trust broke it and hurt her too, she knows it's all wrong. I’m not expecting her save herself by herself, I was expecting her to save herself through herself. She wasn’t always alone, she had Enzo, she had her older sister from the past, she had Izek who showed so many efforts and clear signs and proof of his devotion for her, the others were still skeptical but still Izek is there. Her closing up kind of invalidates Izek’s effort. It's like the quote “Don’t save her, she don’t wanna be saved”

Quickly recovered? 105 chapters was a quick recovery? Yh she doesn’t want to burden anyone because she thinks no one will listen anyway or call her a liar based on her past experiences. Ruby’s brother taught her by beating her up that she shouldn’t say anything or else she will be more brutally punished. Ruby uses her innocent and foolish facade so people won’t blame her for anything that occurs in the near future. That’s how she reached this point, by faking and acting (even though Izek could see right through her lies). And again that’s Ruby’s way of survival, she’s weak, has an ED (bulimia), is emotional and gets an unknown illness twice per year (even though Ruby recovered from that by wearing the bracelet that Izek gifted her) she cannot possibly fight physically and also people around her have immense power and even if she tried to run away, or come up with a scheme or a plan others would find out. I hope this makes sense my English’s poor…

Raw also has 22 chapters

WHYYY

Oscar is basically her second dad, hon.

That's not the point

did u really read, especially the first chapters

Yeah??

I see where you're coming from but I personally feel like he actually thinks farnes is pretty cool and they could work good as a couple

ah sorry this was that one chapter I read but yeah