Phantama's Topics (348)

I find the father disgusting, that old pedophile dude.
His son is a idiot too, hope he improves.
I wish the prostitute finds his freedom and happines ٩(๑❛ᴗ❛๑)۶

Same I'm like crying inside hoping for his freedom even if the son is kind of an idiot who makes me cringe sometimes. Like I was getting second hand embarrassment when he ran into the building and tried opening the salon, he looked too eager and everyone there just looks at him like a kid so it made it even worse. (๑-﹏-๑)||

Wait, I haven't seen raws so I may be missing something, but he doesn't own or run the Cyrene brothel/salon... I thought he's the wealthiest, highest-status customer. He did buy the boy's virginity and didn't seem to try to make it easy for him, so he's still a douche who pays to fuck possibly underage pubescent kids who have no choice - but he's not the owner as far as I know. Also to be fair we're not told exactly how old Rent Boy was when he did his first job, he might have been technically legal but magically youthful-looking like so many characters in yaoi. I mean, the dad looks almost the same age as the son.

If the papa isn't the owner, he isn't the one who groomed kids (or had kids groomed) for sex work by legally and practically sexually abusing them. BUT even so he does support and take full advantage of a place that does it, so again still a douche.

Totally agree that the son/MC is going to embarrass himself (and me) at some point!!! (〜￣△￣)〜

That's what I understood so far too!

the father is a little more than "a douche" stop making excuses for him just because you think he's hot

Ahh I went back and reread and I got mixed up. Since it was coming of age ceremony and his dad walked in as if he owned the salon so I must have just assumed he ran it since arnault has been there for a long time and is like 'The Noble'. I thought he put someone in charge, like the manager, and they would watch it for him. Also, since he's a top tier noble it seemed fitting that he would own it, but I guess not. It was just confusing because the father brought Anton there right after the party and was like this is going to be a part if your life now showing up at this salon. Plus, when they gave him arwin they were hesitant and asking his dad if was alright like he was the boss. Idk, he just seemed like the owner type.
And I'm not so sure about that legal thing for arwin, I mean Anton is around the same age as him and he just became of age which is probs 18. Arwin has been doing this for a long while by now so he most definitely wasn't legal if it's a time period where the MC's age is just now being considered as an adult. If anything he was probs 12-13 when he was with his dad. So from this we can conclude that most children are probs being sold around that age and maybe even younger depending on some people's taste. It's still creepy. Plus his dad is a weirdo because he apparently really wanted arwin for some odd reason, probs revealed later on. I mean it's better him than some other weirdo but it's still wrong. So yea like you said, he most definitely is taking advantage of this place and getting what he wants. Idk, he was daddy AF and now he's daddy gtfo. (￣ε(#￣)Σ

They weren't really making excuses, they said multiple times that they thought he didn't get a pass. They were only making objective statements from the evidence gathered in the manwha. I was wrong about several key things that they clarified weren't true like the fact he doesn't run the salon or that Anton is going to be inheriting it. And the biggest one, whether or not he had a child prostitution ring going, which he doesn't since he's not the owner nor that manager chick. He just abuses what's available. So yes 'a douche' and a pedophile, but not a pimp running pedophile prostitute psychopath that I thought he was. Then because we aren't quite sure what arwins age was when he was with the dad, they were theorizing that maybe he could have been legal, at least for that time period. At least we hope he was older.The only thing in support of him was that he was hot...Also, I'm not attacking you but I don't think you should say that they're making excuses for him when really they were trying to clear up so inconsistencies.

Forget about the original past. It will only hurt. (That's what I did)

(ಡ᎔ಡ) bu...buut..

OMG same!! I wanted him to tell Maki how he felt, and how he would stop the wedding? Idk but it makes the story more interesting and sad, making us feel sorry for some characters, then when they get a happy ending, we'd be satisfied that Neo's old self also got to experience love, happiness etc.. He experiences it now but it wasn't really him, himself that made him experience that happiness? I wanted the struggle basically of him telling directly to Maki his feelings, instead of them already dating and living together. I just want Neo's old self to experience the same happiness from his own hard work? It feels like the struggle that Neo's past self has doesn't exist...

Of course there are kids on here reading... and having an emotional response... but I am not a kid, not even close, and I am having an emotional response.. it was cruel what he did, but kids can be cruel, I did some cruel things I regret to this day and had some done to me. I apologized years later.. helped, but it's still there.. and this story brings out strong emotions because of how it was written. It would have been bittersweet if there had been another/better reason why he said he didn't like him, but it was written that way and it makes me not like him while understanding his youth and the supposed quick forgiveness in this story.

I understand that what we read may bring an emotional response, especially more so in others. And yea, it did seem rushed with a quick fix. That's why I said it was an ok story, but literally there are people who wish they could have seen the guy suffering, maybe even injured because he thought he did what was best for their relationship since he was going away and long distance seemed impossible. From my understanding, he said "what he said" to make the other esentially hate him or be able to move on easier thinking the other never loved him. The lighthouse guy was very resolute in staying where he was for the lighthouse and so the other guy felt that if he was going to go far away for better education, then their relationship might strain from how far apart they'd be. To make it easier on both of them he let the guy go hoping he'd be happy or move on instead of waiting for him. So to his surprise he came back and the guy was alone, and hadn't really seemed to move on. They still liked each other. It was there the whole time, the problem was reastablishing that this time he was there to stay and they could make it work. Like you said, he said something he regretted and apologized years later just like you did, and he was naive. So saying it should have been a better reason is kinda ignoring what you just stated and even experienced. There doesn't need to be a "good/better" reason for stupid things you do, you think irrationally based on emotions and limited logic and act. Its human nature. It's great you're an adult who feels emotionally, very strongly might I add, however some of the comments on here and on other mangas is sometimes downright atrocious and I was tired of all the negativity. I try to post constructively or not at all, but it's difficult to stay silent when it's a sea of immature or negative comments. It was intended as a general blanket overlay of all the comments not a direct attack on any one individual. Plus, seeing as to how many dislike what I had to say simply because I pointed it out just shows that it struck a cord with them, and possibly are guilty of such a thing. You don't need to defend yourself if you dislike the story or pacing or even the resolution. My comment was for those who simply mouth off absurdities not criticism, hence the immature.

Art elicits emotional responses... it's just a fact. Emotional = arousing or characterized by intense feeling. So people are having intense responses to this art/story. I would guess that would be the intention of most artists.. the response cannot be governed by others. And since all ages read these stories you will be dealing with a range of maturity in all the responses. My comment about a better reason just means it could have been written where he said " I have to go, you have to stay. I am sorry, I cared for you, I hope you'll be happy". It wasn't written that way, that would have been just a sad, probably dull story. It was written to twist up our emotions imo , so it did as it was intended imo.. ergo, people are stirred up.

Yes that's great. I would agree as well. It does in fact seem to elicit an emotional response. However, how we choose to express our emotions and voice our opinions, the result should vastly differ between adults and children. So the idea that it is underaged minors commenting on such mature material has me concerned. This shouldn't be accessible to "all ages" in the first place, but then again that's just my view. Obviously the maturity level can range even within teens to young adults so there are exceptions to the rule. So it should be clear that my post isn't aimed at them but those who comment above and below mine that exhibit my original sentiment. Anyway, thank you for the discussion. It was civil and didn't really represent whom my comment was intended for, but again thank you. I've come to realize that it may be the case where children are commenting and by "children" I mean those under 18 or the mental state of such children, hence the immature comments. So my conclusion is that perhaps they're naive, and say stupid things because of their immaturity. So hopefully, they grow up and their views will change in the future. So while they can't be reasoned now, for their obvious need to lash out at those who disagree, I intend to move on onto more manga.

This is a really good summary of the story, i agree with you on your opinion that the reactions to the story are over the top emotional as well. I don't think pointing out that these responses are immature is going to help achieve anything other than resentment, but i can see why you put it out there. I feel like we're on the same page in our understanding of the characters on an emotional level, the decision to leave the way he did was a poor choice, however the intentions were pure. There is a plot hole though, it is revealed that he chose to leave FOR the uke because he didn't want him to feel like he had to follow him to college and miss out on his lighthouse owning dream, but then doesn't show us that the seme even intended to try to come back and make things right. I think this is where a lot of the resentment comes from, this was written in a way that makes it seem like the seme ONLY came back because of his dad and patching things up was just an important 2nd thought to him. I don't personally think this way, that is why i didn't get upset other than over the 7 year thing for awhile, i think it's obvious from their interactions and from how they literally say it that they'd never fallen out of love and so it stands to reason that once the lie was revealed that most of the issues would just cease. I DONT think the complete emotional cleansing in ch 3 is realistic, i DO understand the spontaneous sex and them getting back together as they've been in love and missing each other for 7 years, but the complete forgiveness doesn't makes sense after 7 years of anguish. I don't want to see the seme in pain, i'm just acknowledging that a little resistance from the uke would've made some sense, though i suppose the initial avoidance might have been enough, thinking about it. He tried to not talk to the seme, but he was persistent and the uke was still in love anyway. Hmm... Yes, i suppose it WAS enough, the seme won him over through persistence. I suppose that's where our opinion and their opinions differ, to us it was enough, but to them it wasn't and now they leave comments wishing for more?

I honestly agree with everything you replied with. This was where I was coming from yet no one, at least that I took notice of, had stated my exact sentiments the way you just did and I was just interested in putting a differing view out there. However if my comment on the maturity level of several readers causes resentment then so be it. It's not my responsibility for the offence they may take because it might strike a chord or two within them. Obviously, if it hurts their pride or ego to be told such then that's just a reflection on them not me for stating what I see. You're very courteous and I can see how the lack of a satisfied and reasoned ending or means to achieving such an outcome could cause the dissatisfaction amongst the readers so I'll give them that. You've given me another look at how their behaviors could have manifested, I just disagree in which the manner they express such behavior is presented. Overall though I'm quite happy that there are such nice people like the poster before you and like yourself that are willing to state their opinion and reason without lashing out, so I thank you!(▰˘◡˘▰)

No problem ^_^ I felt an urge to respond to you because you were so... Willing to talk and i could see that someone felt the same way i did while reading this and thought that was neat. I agree that the responses are ridiculous at times, there're ones that're just objectively bad even putting aside any biases... Great chat :^)

It was a really great chat!! ヽ( ⌒ω⌒)人(=^‥^= )ﾉ