The first story I read it long time ago and that it felt cute but now I have read it again and came to this. I can genuinely say that Yoshino deserves better. Rou has been a player his whole life and he should know better than anyone what he did hints to things that when you already have a lover, you should not do. I don't like the fact that this was all dragged under the rag just to say love conquers it all. What a waste of a beautiful drawing. Bye♡
I just feel absolute rage (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻ reading this how no one deserves Penelope. Callisto is okay but apart that no one. For her so called family I hope ivvone sacrifices them to whatever lord she wants and dies too.
I see many people upset with Dojun's personality but that is who he really is from the beginning itself. He set up things before even giving taeseok a chance and said how he thinks of himself and asked whether he will still be fine to which taeseok agreed. I heard something about trauma somewhere stating "if you mix piss in water and add sugar on top of it that doesn't mean that you got rid of the piss which is already present." I also think that whatever trauma Dojun suffered through can't be solved with just love magically. Taeseok is a writer not a therapist. Also, people who are here comparing these two leads trauma and deciding that taeseok also suffered so why is Dojun's the only one who is portrayed in a frustrating way. Do you think giving an ultimatum to which trauma is greater is the way to go? It's just sad that no one sees the struggle and growth of Dojun and all that is overshadowed by his personality. If you have an ingrained character and personality that you have developed years and years into it, do you think you can change it completely within a short period of time? As a reader you have every right to complain when you get frustrated but it is also a cue to really contemplate.
I agree completely. Let's also not forget that Taeseok basically forced his way into his life in the first place.. Dojun wasn't looking for a relationship because he knew he wasn't ready.
^^^^ wholly agree with both of you.
Everything else is great but I would really like to see an actual growth of our FL.
As in what way? Strength wise? Yeah I hope she recovers faster.
Yes her strength and recovery also her development of powers of those golden eyes.
Am I reading into it too much or is it just that the top genuinely grown fond of the bottom but the bottom is just there for the material and likes him as a top material in his novel... If it's really that way I feel bad for the top.
I think he's starting to catch feelings too now. and looking past the novel a little even if he doesn't realize it
Like the other person said I think he has feelings for our top just hasn’t realized it. And that his feelings for the top are growing just not as fast as the tops.(๑•ㅂ•)و✧
Yeah, i think theyre something already there, he even changed the tops character in his novel cuz he liked him how he is
It's funny how when a female character is portrayed like this every other person has a problem but when it's the other side, people seem to be gushing about him.
Who the fuck is going to be gushing over a character like Elizabeth, regardless of whether they’re in male form. What the hell are you even talking about?
Overlord, Redo of Healer...
Not the same at all. Ainz and Keyaru are literally villain protagonists. That doesn't prove the point at all. If anything, it proves mine. People who gush over those characters are generally gushing over them as villains, because they're entertaining, ruthless, or fucked up. Keyaru is explicitly characterized as a villain protagonist, and Ainz is likewise openly treated as a villainous protagonist.
I'm talking about a character who is presented as righteous and whose revenge we're supposed to see as justified. If a male character did what Elizabeth did and the story framed him as ‘he was wronged, therefore his revenge against innocent people is righteous,’ I'd have the exact same problem. So if your argument is ‘men can get away with being evil,’ that's irrelevant. I'm saying I don't fuck with the actions themselves. Give me a male character who commits comparable atrocities against innocent people, including children, and is still presented as morally righteous because he was wronged, and THEN you might have a point about a gender double standard.
I already answered this in an other topic.
The thing is, i think people are fooled by the fact she's a cute girl in an otome-like manga and think she'd never commits atrocities, even with many clues given by the story where she's clearly not right.
I don't think it's a gender double-standard (and I honestly don't care), just the fact we're not used to villainess so brutal (and I include myself in that, like everybody I was surprised by chapter 16 and 17 (their equivalent in the Light Novel though).
I think you're addressing a slightly different point than the one I was making. My response was specifically to OP’s claim that if Elizabeth were male, people would be gushing over the same behavior. So when you gave me those examples, I assumed you were supporting their comment which is why I was arguing that those examples don't establish a gender double standard simply because people enjoy them. So your point that people aren't used to brutal villainesses isn't really contradicting what I was saying.
Well I think he's right. At least in the genre.
Bruh, that's exactly the claim I was addressing in my second comment . I already explained that my response was specifically to OP's assertion that people would be gushing over the same behavior if Elizabeth were male. You brought up Ainz and Keyaru as examples, so I explained why I don't think those examples actually establish that. If you agree with OP, then you need to provide actual evidence for that claim rather than just saying “people would be gushing over her if she were male.” Because there isn't really evidence presented here that establishes that. The fact that male villain protagonists like Ainz or Keyaru have fans doesn't demonstrate that a male character in Elizabeth's position would receive the same reaction. If we're going to argue that there's a gender double standard specifically in this genre, there needs to be something more concrete supporting it than the existence of popular male villain protagonists.
i answer days later, I don't remember what was told earlier lol