Baby2000

Two wrongs don’t make a right. Flashing someone and penetrating someone when they are unable to consent, are VERY DIFFERENT. One is harassment, the other is assault. Learn the difference.

exactly like that was uncomfortable to read tbh and because of that Ideum is not really that likeable in my eyes

you are the one who doesn't know that both in fact are officially considered SA...

BOTH are wrong let's keep it at that...I'm not the one comparing two wrongs...My comment was for those Hypocrite fools whose Moral was sleeping during first episodes...they should've reacted the same way then but they were busy babying a grown ass man..Loll.And Don't you teach me the difference between harassment and assault..
I'm no kid like you..

If we want to get technical one is public obscenity, the other is quacy r*pe. But no matter that, either should not and would never justify the other.

They are not comparable. It’s off putting to reduce r*pe the way you have. Either act do not give the right for the other.

Ideum said Jaeyi can use his body however he pleases, why leave it out of the equation?

Right so where were you during the first chapter and if it was just as much of a problem, why have you kept reading till now? Like, you're all hypocrites for acting like the new chapter is problematic or something despite giving first chapter a pass and making zero noise about it.

They read the first chapters with Closed eyes.Loll
Or maybe they're fine with Public obscenity...

"bottom can do no wrong cuz I'm projecting myself onto him"......

They are rather different but I do think its odd to act like only one of them has ever been the offender in this relationship

So with that in mind, anything Jaeyi would have done to Ideum would have been okay then? Where would you draw the line for such a vague comment?

Simply put, exhibitionism and rape aren’t comparable. I think we all can agree on that, but for the sake of the argument you guys pretend like they are.

Isn't it up to Ideum to think about? But he can't (hopefully - not yet), because he doesn't have any boundaries, thinks he is below dirt, ready to please Jaeyi in any possible way just so he'd stay

That’s my point. The comment he made was not a green light for r*ping him while he’s unconscious to be ok. Unless he explicitly stated “you can penetrate me while I’m sleeping”, what Jaeyi did was not ok.

But even then my gripe isn’t with what happened per se. It’s the disparity of what this chapter was communicating to the reader (the fact that Ideum is losing his autonomy and respect as a human from the person who he first felt seen from) and the way it was depicted (which was typical bl smut, when the writing in this bl gave me hope for something much more considered, rather than a sell out for smut enjoyers).

My other gripe is this comment sections refusal to critique Jaeyi’s actions for what they were and instead justify them because “well Ideum is a exhibitionist”. The two are separate matters and can be talked about separately. Neither give right for the other.

So does that mean you are fine with exhibitionism, public obscenity and getting flashed by strangers as long as it's not Rape???don't you think Moraly speaking you should've stopped reading from the very first chapter itself...

Again. Not comparable. Not by legal standards, punishability in court, them mental and emotional toll on their victims. Not comparable end of story and I know you understand that.

Why should I feel the need to drop it at the very first chapter, I knew exactly what the premise was and what I was getting into. What makes what Jaeyi did feel so jarring is the fact that it felt so violently out of character.

To Ideum, Jaeyi was the first person he has ever felt truly seen/respected by and for him to just so easily strip away Ideum’s autonomy, was appalling.

Tho for plot sake I can understand the reason for it being included. Which brings me to my next issue of it being such a heavy topic and turning point and yet what treated like every other smut scene. When previously the writing in this had made me expect something more considered.

I think the depiction of Ideum's face gives us hope that in fact this is going to be addressed and he's gonna have a character's growth.

It's not about justifying exactly... it's about having different standards for different characters, and also some people think that this story just shouldn't be taken seriously but rather as just a light-hearted smut story with various kinks exploited. I personally think the story is going to get deeper than that though.

Do you not see a problem that people glaze over Ideum's actions, but as soon as it's about ML, it's a dealbreaker?

And if we are being fr and grown up, people with no boundaries like Ideum always attract jerks and abusers, their whole body language is that of a guilty victim that awaits their punishment, nonverbally they sent a message "I'm fine with being violated". I know it used to be true in my case and I had to heal and grow tf up to realize that the other person wasn't even the problem.

Repeating 10 paragraphs won't change the fact that you just admitted you're fine with sexual harassment as long as it's not Rape.Hypocrites like you are so yuckkk

I am partially disappointed in Jaeyi's actions because yes, he is under impression that Ideum is fine with anything, but of course it would be nice to see a more evolved ML who just wouldn't do that shit periodt and who has more understanding of Ideum's hidden feelings. But at the same time I'm not that disappointed because I don't want to read a fairytale about Jaeyi being Ideum's perfect lil saviour... Only Ideum can save himself, any other message is not helpful at least and harmful at most to readers

For me, the depiction and the commentary within the story of Ideum perverted actions aligned without contradiction. The reader knew what Ideum was doing was wrong, characters commented on it being wrong. There was no doubt within the story that what Ideum was doing wasn’t moral. However it also fitted his character. Therefore there was no need for commentary on his actions by readers.

When it came to Jaeyi’s transgression, the act itself felt out of pocket for the state of his character. It got brushed past by the author and the artist when it really shouldn’t. No matter Ideum’s reaction, what it reveals about Jaeyi’s character is quite sinister. Yet this sinister revelation gets buried in crowd pleaser smut.

At the end of the day, it more boils down to how the author handles the two SA cases. Tho I do believe r*pe requires more care when being broached and yet it got swept aside (at least for now), when Ideum’s exhibitionism has been a main plot point and was discussed by multiple characters over multiple chapters.

When it comes to Ideum’s exhibitionism, within the story, it is talked about, it is slandered and it serves its plot point. It holds the attention of a few characters for a while and is brought up across multiple chapters. Him doing the act itself, also fit neatly into his character writing. Thus giving not much reason to discuss/critique further in a comment section. In a way he had already paid his dues to the man most affected by it.

When it comes to Jaeyi’s transgression, it felt jarring coming from him. Especially given the special care he’s given Ideum up until this point. He also was not stated to have been anywhere near being a r*pist previously. When the r*pe happened, it got quickly buried under crowd pleaser smut. I get the reason for it being added in, this whole chapter was conveying the fact that person who Ideum felt like first saw him and respected him is now stripping away his autonomy. But what I don’t get is that this message gets communicated with what Jaeyi says to Ideum by the end of the chapter. Rendering the plot utility of the SA moot.

My main issue is with how bls tend to handle r*pe (more accurately, the lack of handling it at all) and instead use it for shock factor and to satisfy noncon enjoyers. My expectations for this bl were much higher than what was given in the most recent chapter. Frankly this bl is taking a near identical route for how it treats r*pe to many other bls. Moving forward it seems predictable that Ideum isnt even going to remember/focus on the fact he got SA’d by someone he trusted, and more focused on the words that came out of his mouth after sex.

sorry for the essay length

I'm crying, they're straight up serious. These are the same people that claim that fictional rape is just as bad as real ones.

truly for your sake, focus on what I had typed out critically without bias or ego. It’s better to approach arguements/discussions with clarity, no exaggeration and honesty rather than grabbing at any reason you can twist to prove you’re right.

When it comes to Ideum’s exhibitionism, within the story, it is talked about, it is slandered and it serves its plot point. It holds the attention of a few characters for a while and is brought up across multiple chapters. Him doing the act itself, also fit neatly into his character writing. Thus giving not much reason to discuss/critique further in a comment section. In a way he had already paid his dues to the man most affected by it.

When it comes to Jaeyi’s transgression, it felt jarring coming from him. Especially given the special care he’s given Ideum up until this point. He also was not stated to have been anywhere near being a r*pist previously. When the r*pe happened, it got quickly buried under crowd pleaser smut. I get the reason for it being added in, this whole chapter was conveying the fact that person who Ideum felt like first saw him and respected him is now stripping away his autonomy. But what I don’t get is that this message gets communicated with what Jaeyi says to Ideum by the end of the chapter. Rendering the plot utility of the SA moot.

My main issue is with how bls tend to handle r*pe (more accurately, the lack of handling it at all) and instead use it for shock factor and to satisfy noncon enjoyers. My expectations for this bl were much higher than what was given in the most recent chapter. Frankly this bl is taking a near identical route for how it treats r*pe to many other bls. Moving forward it seems predictable that Ideum isnt even going to remember/focus on the fact he got SA’d by someone he trusted, and more focused on the words that came out of his mouth after sex.

sorry for the essay length

and sorry if ive sent this multiple times, my mangago keeps glitching out

When it comes to Ideum’s exhibitionism, within the story, it is talked about, it is slandered and it serves its plot point. It holds the attention of a few characters for a while and is brought up across multiple chapters. Him doing the act itself, also fit neatly into his character writing. Thus giving not much reason to discuss/critique further in a comment section. In a way he had already paid his dues to the man most affected by it.

When it comes to Jaeyi’s transgression, it felt jarring coming from him. Especially given the special care he’s given Ideum up until this point. He also was not stated to have been anywhere near being a r*pist previously. When the r*pe happened, it got quickly buried under crowd pleaser smut. I get the reason for it being added in, this whole chapter was conveying the fact that person who Ideum felt like first saw him and respected him is now stripping away his autonomy. But what I don’t get is that this message gets communicated with what Jaeyi says to Ideum by the end of the chapter. Rendering the plot utility of the SA moot.

My main issue is with how bls tend to handle r*pe (more accurately, the lack of handling it at all) and instead use it for shock factor and to satisfy noncon enjoyers. My expectations for this bl were much higher than what was given in the most recent chapter. Frankly this bl is taking a near identical route for how it treats r*pe to many other bls. Moving forward it seems predictable that Ideum isnt even going to remember/focus on the fact he got SA’d by someone he trusted, and more focused on the words that came out of his mouth after sex.

sorry for the essay length and sorry if ive sent this multiple times my mangago keeps glitching out

When it comes to Ideum’s exhibitionism, within the story, it is talked about, it is slandered and it serves its plot point. It holds the attention of a few characters for a while and is brought up across multiple chapters. Him doing the act itself, also fit neatly into his character writing. Thus giving not much reason to discuss/critique further in a comment section. In a way he had already paid his dues to the man most affected by it.

When it comes to Jaeyi’s transgression, it felt jarring coming from him. Especially given the special care he’s given Ideum up until this point. He also was not stated to have been anywhere near being a r*pist previously. When the r*pe happened, it got quickly buried under crowd pleaser smut. I get the reason for it being added in, this whole chapter was conveying the fact that person who Ideum felt like first saw him and respected him is now stripping away his autonomy. But what I don’t get is that this message gets communicated with what Jaeyi says to Ideum by the end of the chapter. Rendering the plot utility of the SA moot.

My main issue is with how bls tend to handle r*pe (more accurately, the lack of handling it at all) and instead use it for shock factor and to satisfy noncon enjoyers. My expectations for this bl were much higher than what was given in the most recent chapter. Frankly this bl is taking a near identical route for how it treats r*pe to many other bls. Moving forward it seems predictable that Ideum isnt even going to remember/focus on the fact he got SA’d by someone he trusted, and more focused on the words that came out of his mouth after sex.

I don't think it was out of pocket - but! I did think it was out of pocket when Jaeyi pulled out his dick in the changing room. I just didn't think he would turn out to be this kinda guy yk. And if you and I felt similar feelings regarding his actions and personality, I think the answer is that he isn't written that well.

But author did show that Ideum was uncomfortable? Maybe Jaeyi's gonna pull out now instead of listening to Ideum's "cum inside me Jaeyi", would be nice...
But you know I just re-read that chapter and I'm not sure anymore if Ideum had any negative feelings toward the somnophilia part, it kinda looks like he only felt hurt as soon as he heard Jaeyi reminding him of their fwb status... which sucks. Welp... time will tell how serious the author is about all these heavy topics they have touched upon

It wasn't rape because before penetration happened he woke up and gave his consent, we don't know if he would continue just rubbing or go further. But anyway, I understand your feelings. I think we would see eye to eye more I hadn't been treating lightly the whole thing after finding out that our MC is an exhibitionist... I didn't see him suffering any consequences by the way? And what if some child from another apartment saw him through the window? I just can't take such story seriously... if I did I would start feeling disgusted with both characters and wouldn't be able to continue reading. If this was a movie instead of BL manhwa, I would have dropped it immediately because I have higher standards for movies

No? Where did i say that. I think its good to recognize what jaeyi is doing is wrong but literally like 2 chapters ago everyone and they mama was acting like this is peak bl when the entire premise was based on them getting tgt after ideum sexually harasses jaeyi. Like me when I go to the dubious consent party and dubious consent is there oh no lol