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im sorry but why the fuck is everyone forgetti g that alex LITERALLY RAPED dg??? why is no one talking about that wtff
To be honest I don't remember seeing that part. I would never support such actions.
was it that one scene where jiwon got drunk
there still gonna be happy in the end if you can't over that scene then quit reading
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obviously if this was rl it would be a no no but its completely fiction and the author can choose that alex will be completely cured from that era.
If it's rape for DG, he wouldn't be able to let it go, right after Jiwon agreed to have a date with him you see that he returned to being his bubky self. If that's what the MC thinks then who are we as readers to say and insist that it's rape? As long as the MC didn't think of it and actually enjoyed it and used it as a way to get what he wants, it won't be rape.
I think the issue in this manhwa is how he treated DG badly all the time they were together just because he has a trauma when it comes to being in a relationship.
"As long as the MC didn't think of it and actually enjoyed it and used it as a way to get what he wants, it won't be rape."
That's not how rape works, dear. At least acknowledge it's rape in the story's universe and move on. There's nothing wrong with appreciating work with rape in it. It's when you sugarcoat it that it becomes problematic.
The story was not great, the art average, the plot overused. I dropped this story way before the rape scene I suppose. But if there really was rape, it just shows how I was right not to waste my time on this. ┑(￣Д ￣)┍
i dont really think that there's a thing like some "girly uke" tbh
Why?
But there is tho
Girly uke spotted!!
There is no such thing as "uke" in real life. Relationships, as portrayed in BL, are largely unrealistic.
but there r people who are only passive..
That doesn't dictate how someone looks or acts in their day to day life though. Do you not think such definitions are quite regressive and homophobic?
it made me wonder how can you read manga and still be familiar of it... even if it's accuracy comes in varying degrees, it still reflects japanese gay culture.
I know, but I'm sure they don't commonly refer to themselves as "uke."
If such terms are reflective of current Japanese culture, and not just used for fictional manga tropes than that seems pretty sad. It's although people who identify as gay can't just be treated as normal, boring people and have to conform to these regressive stereotypes. The idea that a man must appear vulnerable, feminine, short etc just because of how he likes sex is quite odd, and reminds me a little of the early 20th century stereotypes where gay men were portrayed as "camp" or gay women were viewed as masculine on things like tv and films, you would have expected the world to have moved on from that.
BL comics are predominately written by heterosexual females, for heterosexual females. I wasn't aware that they, having partaken in it themselves, were so well versed in gay culture.
You learn something new everyday ╮(￣▽￣)╭
This is sarcasm.
ah, don't leave out how i said "varying degrees". some minimal (to the point of bullshit LOL) and some had a good portrayal. and there's one true to life BL manga too.
but majorly, BL came from the perspective of women and it is tailored for women readership. but it still reflects the way they generally view things. other countries may view japan or east asia as "regressive" since it doesn't conform to their own but it's still basically just a difference of culture/way of thinking. i've talked to a lot of readers (especially caucasian ones) and they say the same thing as you.
also, i've read plenty of manga and im not really choosy what i pick to read and girly uke is not as common as you guys think.
really why?
ε=ε=(ノ≧∇≦)ノ lol. to be clear, i'm not disagreeing with you i'm talking about the culture being reflected on them, not the technicalities of gay sex.
Alright (〜￣△￣)〜
i dont think there's any sort of relationship like in yaoi in irl// but there are so many of my friends thinking that every gay relationship is like that and it makes me question if there actually is something like that but ofc not
this is soo fucking sad especially for the painter, like he doesnt deserve to be treated like this! and why is no one talking about how the lord just basically killed that one guy for no reason?? and yes raping someone isnt okay, and i hope that this doesnt turn out like every single basic yaoi that has rape and abuse in it.. like ppl in the comments only think that its okay just because he is hot... someone had to say this because this is like the same thing w/ bj alex! istg if the seme wasnt hot yall wouldve been MADD.. also i realised that a lot of ppl here probably think that yaoi is the same thing like ACTUAL gay relationships irl.. this just gives off negative vibes and some of yall will actually start thinking that every gay relationship comes w/ abuse and rape. i hope this guy gets some character development and actually gets punished for what he did.. and yes ik its fiction but that doesnt make it okay and even if its for "entertaintment" yall can stay pressed if you want to but i will keep saying it again.. just bc someone who is attractive rapes someone doesnt make it okay
This may be "disguting", but this is the purpose of this plot... To couple two people of very different social status, merge their worlds together and see the outcomes of this.
Yes, this is sad sad, sad... You must be the 100th person to say it, we know also that poor sweety baby Nakyum's an orphan surrounded by nobles and assholes, ok...? Nobody says it's ok for Seunghoe to do what he did because he's hot... Him being "hot" is normal, it's BL and the audience is a bunch of horny Fujoshis...
Till when will you guys cry like this?(Tiring...).
This is historical, and not a fairytale, the Seme's a fearless, merciless, noble... his purpose is to meet the low born and bully him with sex This is a smutty porny yaoi. And nope, Lord SeungHorny won't be nor get "punished" for his actions, crimes or whatever..., he's a noble. The only thing that might happen is for him to feel "regrets", or be crushed by other nobles, but there's no such thing as "Justice" for the servants at these medieval times. Get it...?
If you can't handle the bully sex of Lord Horny on pretty rosy Nakyum, you can go read some more fluffy homo stuffs...
You know what? I really feel happy after reading your reply because I'm so sick of reading some comments such it's bad/disguting/needtodropthisand that/etc. , they forget that the author is thinking something that would be a good flow for "THEIR" masterpiece. That the author did not convey something that is supposed to be bad to be good. That some of this are called "PLOTS" to keep the story interesting. Sometimes I just don't like reading comments because some can't even distinguish the real from fiction. Because if ever I read something that is not in my liking I will automatically drop the story, no more echoss.
For you dear @MangaSanctuary, SANA ALL!
To those "too good to be true" people, make your own stories . GIGIL NYO SI AKO!
Thanks and Sana all to you too.
Yes, it's getting tiresome to read these endless echoes of sobbing hearts that actually don't seem to value this work for what it is.
I don't know why POTN struggles so much with those complains that, with time, ressemble to spams, cause their reasons are not honest at all... while there are tons yaois out there worse than this one, but curiously there's no complain about them, or so little...
You're right about the plot. It's not "every means' good to create a good plot", but almost.
These complainers fail to read the whole picture; how the elements are playing with each other to deliver an intriguing story; they're only focused on parts and details...
We have the chance to read an unique work with fabulous art, good historical intrigue, YET... all they do is to cry tears over this, that... to no end ┑(￣Д ￣)┍
And I doubt they'll stop or drop it (wonder if they're no masochist...).
Mdr "Lord Horny" ; tu m'as tué !
Merci, mais je n'en suis pas l'auteure originale, hélas. Ça nous vient de notre camarade fujoshi Chrystclean. Ses topics me font plier en deux Mais pas que ça, elle fait aussi des remarques très sensées sur POTN... à sa manière.
Elle est à quelques commentaires de là, si tu veux lire ses topics :D