Srsly calling uke "wife" and "sister-in-law" is wrong on so many lvls
"Madam" the hell it's just misgendering at this point
I see it as a title and doesn't really bother me since they are all gangsters. And I would say it's like that one post where this dude support trans people but they have to follow traditional gender rule of Christian if you're transitioning.
I get it but it sounds homophobic tbh they live in modern world and can just use partner/hubby, but not freaking SISTER in law. It just creates more misunderstandings and honestly uncomfortable to read idk ╥﹏╥
I get it, it is a bit homophobic that is true... but I don't think they are trying to be homophobic since they are all gangsters that never had proper education let alone queer culture. All they know is "marrying the boss = madam/sil". And most of the mafia/gangster trope i read called the boss' boyfriend madam or sister so it's quite common i would say.. if you're uncomfortable, I'd would tell you stop reading i have read whole thing before and doesn't get better about it
I get it when gangster are REALLY traditional, but it's def not the case here. Already finished and waiting for side stories, addressing him wrongly just pisses me off
Somebody pls upload new chapters ╥﹏╥
There’s no new chaps at T T I checked it on Tappytoon but it’s been more than a year since the last update.
Noooooooo thnx for replying tho ( T﹏T )
Ch 24 why the hell esper kiss him while he was sleeping
Tried to reread it after some time - 120% hentai slop masked as yaoi to sell more. Hope there'll be cutboy/pussyboy tag in the future so it won't get mixed up with yaoi, esp considering that they're intersex, not males
you can call it hentai slop without being transphobic, yknow it’s still yaoi, they’re both men
? I'm not transphobic. It's actually pretty important topic that kids don't understand
Gay sex is between males cuz it's sexual orientation - gay guy won't get it up on a man with vagina just cuz it's a man. The whole thing is the fact that gays aren't attracted to females (sex, not gender) and their genetals, also the reason they were considered broken or crazy (and to this day, sadly).
And pls learn that there are transgenders (ppl who change their gender) and transsexuals (ppl who change their sex, they have a lil different pride flag u can google it). You can call someone both man and male only if his gender and sex match, since birth or after transitioning, no difference
It's actually REALLY important to understand that sex (male) ≠ gender (man), just like if someone's intersex (sex) it doesn't automatically mean that they're non-binary (gender). It's rude to put them into one of the two categories (male/female) and calling it yaoi issss kinda rude cuz you're automatically call an intersex a male, which isn't true. So basically it is pan manhwa lol (I would've read it if it hadn't been a slop)
Aaaand yeah since yaoi includes gay sex (shounen ai doesn't) this manhwa can't be tagged as yaoi. That's why I hope someday they'll add cuntboy/pussyboy tag (before blocking this winter there were actual genres, warnings and descriptions. It's crazy how mg still doesn't have an omegaverse tag T^T)
I'm seriously tired of fake lgbt supporters who're both homophobic and transphobic cuz they don't understand that sex≠gender and what sexual orientations are. It's as bad as saying that gender is what between your legs which isn't true. I'm up for discussion but only if you won't insult me and ready to listen! ヾ(❀╹◡╹)ﾉ~
Basically no it's not yaoi cuz they're a male and an intersex, it doesn't matter that their genders are man. If it was shounen ai (doesn't include sex scenes, just romantic bl stuff) it wouldn't matter what's between their legs, just what gender they are.
Srry I'm just tired of "accidental" homo and tranphobic ppl cuz they don't understand (and sometimes refuse to) that sex≠gender ╥﹏╥
Having this discussion and disagreeing with you does not make anybody a fake LGBTQ+ supporter. You're overcomplicating this- both this manhwa and sexuality on a whole. Chani is not intersex or transgender, so none of this quite applies. This is magical hijinks. Chani is entirely a man and is only interested in the sexual pleasure brought to him by having a vagina.
Saying that gay men are never attracted to transgender men ever is also blatantly false. This implies that a heterosexual man would be attracted to a transman because they are female, which is transphobic rhetoric and largely untrue. Maybe a pre-transition t-boy, but even then the way they present is unappealing to straight men because gender is purely an expression and sexuality is a preference of gender expression. It's not solely that something is fundamentally different in homosexuals and heterosexuals, though the brain is a part of it. A lot of sexuality is a mix of modern ideals of gender and brain chemicals (scientists are still uncertain of sexuality being a cut and dry "born this way" kind of thing). Preferences.
This is why old paintings of men who were considered incredibly attractive for that period of time look ridiculous and even unattractive in modern ideals. The goalpost of femininity and masculinity shifts decade by decade, until the last century looks silly.
Heterosexual men who fall in love with a pre or post-op transwoman are not suddenly gay. A lesbian in love with a transwoman is not straight. A straight trans man and straight trans woman are not confused about the direction of their heterosexuality, nor are they gay.
Gender and sexuality are fluid and the inherent exclusivity of yourself and your choice to date whoever you want are entirely at your own discretion. Trying to place queer or even non queer people into a box is unhelpful.
Also transsexual people are transgender. Transgender is an umbrella term and transsexual people are people who seek medical transition specifically. It is generally considered a dated term, but I fully support anyone who still wants to use it. Chani is notably NOT transsexual, because he is not transgender at all. His genital transformation is the result of God interference and he eventually would like his penis back.
All that said, I fully believe that this story is a yaoi/bl (because it is two men having gay sex), but I also agree it needs a cuntboy tag. I do not think this needs to be under a hentai tag, because people into hentai are not going to like this story. People into hentai tend to be straight or seeking out straight content, which this does not provide.
Fuck the straights, queerness is not one-size-fits all, labels are stupid and can change whenever you want, label in-fighting is what keeps queer people apart and from creating larger social change, you can identify however you'd like, I'm a dyke, I love being queer and I love queer people.
So what are you going to say to both the men and women who were born with both sex's out there ???
And who are gay ???
Sorry your not gay ???
LOL nope look up the meanings becaucse you oversly dont know knowthing and i agree with the commet below me
I apoplegise Mico my comment was for " KekWWW " not for you so again my apolergies again as i agree with you 100% :)
No worries !! :3
Having this discussion and disagreeing with you does not make anybody a fake LGBTQ+ supporter. You're overcomplicating this- both this manhwa and sexuality on a whole. Chani is not intersex or transgender, so none of this quite applies. This is magical hijinks. Chani is entirely a man and is only interested in the sexual pleasure brought to him by having a vagina.
Fake lgbtq+ supporters are ppl who doesn't understand that sex≠gender and what sexual orientations are. Having a slight idea and acting based on it is bad and disrespectful
Male means you have male reproductive system (since birth or after transitioning). Chani isn't transgender for sure, but he is intersex, whether he likes it or not (the plot I hate most) Now he has a vagina, which means he's intersex (there're 40+ types of them). He didn't ask for it, but now he's intersex. Again, pls UNDERSTAND that man is a gender, not sex. Gender (man/woman/agender/nonbianry) is a social concept based on stereotypes that you like and how you'd like to be seen and precent yourself, sex (male/female/intersex/hermaphrodite) is what "between your legs" based on your reproductive system assigned at birth or changer later. If you're transgender it doesn't mean you're also transsexul and vise-versa, a lot of ppl just change their gender but not their sex. Even if you're hetero (sexual orientation) female (sex) woman (gender) who changed their gender to man (not female to male) doesn't mean he's gay now, cuz his sexual orientation (sexual attraction) and reproductive organs are the same.
It's not rly complicated
If his gender is man, but sex is female and he's hetero
"Saying that gay men are never attracted to transgender men ever is also blatantly false."
I said that gay men aren't attracted to transgender men cuz their sex isn't male (unless they're transsexual and fully transitioned). That's how sexual orientation (not some kinds of gender orientation) works, gay man isn't attracted to vagina, boobs, and any kind of female anatomy. Being gay means you're male man attracted to male men only, and gay sex (action) is between males only. Not between female man and male man, not between intersex man and male man etc. Saying that gay is man with whatever sex attracted to other man with whatever sex is homophobic. Gays were and sadly now hated BECAUSE they biologically aren't attracted to females. Sexual orientation is not a choice or smth you can change.
"This implies that a heterosexual man would be attracted to a transman because they are female, which is transphobic rhetoric and largely untrue."
YES, that's the point of sexual orientation. A heterosexual man would be attracted to a transman because they are female, not in romantic (still can actually, he can fall in love with him), but in sexual way, if that male man is hetero. I literally have female friends who change their gender from woman to man (they mostly like stereotypical man things) and look like guys, but they don't want to be transsexuals. They're fine with having boobs, vagina and periods and they ARE hetero (and male men that like them are hetero too). They're attracted (sexually and romantically) to male men while being female man (dunno if you know, but tomboys can be an example. Liking them as a male man doesn't make you gay/bi), cuz gender is just a bunch of things you genuinely like and how you want to be seen by yourself and others, that actually changes all the time
"Maybe a pre-transition t-boy, but even then the way they present is unappealing to straight men because gender is purely an expression and sexuality is a preference of gender expression. It's not solely that something is fundamentally different in homosexuals and heterosexuals, though the brain is a part of it. A lot of sexuality is a mix of modern ideals of gender and brain chemicals (scientists are still uncertain of sexuality being a cut and dry "born this way" kind of thing). Preferences."
What the hell, you literally have no idea what sexual orientation is. SEXUAL ORIENTATION is NOT A PREFERENCE and IS NOT SMTH YOU CAN CHANGE. IT IS ABOUT WHAT SEX YOU ARE AND WHAT SEX YOURE ATTRACTED. God you ARE homophobic. Gays can't just go and become hetero or bi, sexual orientation is not a gender, youre born with it and it can't be changed unlike gender. Yes, it's like a gross animal like thing. Yes, you ARE born with it, in most cases ppl are forced to be hetero and can't even think about being smth else. Some ppl doesn't know gays exist, some are closeted, some are just bi so they goon on hetero porn but realize later they can do it with gay porn too. Gender stereotypes are changing with time (like pink was for boys, but now for girls cuz of advertisement) and gender is a completely made up by ppl concept to function as society, UNLIKE SEX (male/female etc) and sexual orientation (gay/hetero/lesbian/bi etc) that are found in nature.
Hell you ARE homophobic if you think so. Youre the kind of ppl i mentioned as fake lgbt supporters. I don't even know where to start. And pls let's not mix sexes and genders, I'll write both of them for you.
"Maybe a pre-transition t-boy, but even then the way they present is unappealing to straight men because gender is purely an expression and sexuality is a preference of gender expression."
Stright male men can't find man-gender and male sex hings unappealing if they're male men themselves. They're just transphobes if they don't like same things about transgenders. They can't find biological things like hair and organs gross as well, it's just what ppl have. Ppl dont find dick itself disgusting, they'll hate it only if they're sexually assaulted by it, like in literal assault or their sexual orientation doesn't include males.
"sexuality is a preference of gender expression." SEXUALITY/SEXUAL ORIENTATION IS NOT A PREFERENCE AND ITS NOT ABOUT GENDER EXPRESSION. IT IS ABOUT WHAT SEX YOU ARE AND WHAT SEX YOU ARE ATTRACTED TO, NOT GENDER. I'm gonna cry
"It's not solely that something is fundamentally different in homosexuals and heterosexuals, though the brain is a part of it."
Fundamental difference is being sexually attracted to certain reproductive organs. Heteros won't find same sex attractive and gays will find attractive only the same sex as theirs. NOT GENDER, SEX. Falling in love and sexual attraction aren't the same things, you fall in love with someone in whole, you dont fall in love with a dick or vagina.
"This is why old paintings of men who were considered incredibly attractive for that period of time look ridiculous and even unattractive in modern ideals. The goalpost of femininity and masculinity shifts decade by decade, until the last century looks silly."
That's what the gender is, my man. It's completely made up and changes.
In some centuries men wearing make up and skirts were considered manly, in some not. Male men wearing make up isn't a female and still is attractive to other gay male men, cuz again - GENDER IS NOT A SEX, it's a bunch of things you like (clothes, activities, etc) and how you want to be seen and present yourself. Make up and clothes have nothing to do with sexual orientation, it's a gender thing that changes all the time
"Heterosexual men who fall in love with a pre or post-op transwoman are not suddenly gay. A lesbian in love with a transwoman is not straight. A straight trans man and straight trans woman are not confused about the direction of their heterosexuality, nor are they gay."
First of all, pls learn that there are transexuals and transgenders. Yes, they're different and important. You don't understand that sexual orientation is about sex, not gender. If you write "transwoman" (dunno what sex, but man transitioned to woman) you mean transgender, transsexual or both? Your example is messed up cuz you mixed genders with sexual orientation.
If you were born female and forced to be woman cuz of your sex, but deep down you understand that youre hetero male man and want to be one and have sex not being penetrated, but penetrate female women (sound gross srry gh) with your own dick, them you'll have to change your gender and your sex, not just buy new clothes you like and go to the gym, but also undergo hormonal therapy and different operations
"A lesbian in love with a transwoman is not straight."
You don't fall in love with dick/vagina, you fall in love with a human. It's possible to date someone without having sex at all. Lesbian means youre female woman attracted to female women. A lesbian won't take a dick in herself just cuz it's transwoman's (assume it's male man who became woman but stayed male), cuz she's not sexually attracted to males and their reproductive organs. If it's transgender and transsexual woman they can have sex with each other and it'll be lesbian. But if she's ok with having sex with male woman it means she's not lesbian. Bi/pan or other orientation, but not lesbian. Ppl forget that there are more sexual orientations than just gay/hetero/bi/lesbian, which is also pretty rude, esp considering you can't put intersex ppl in any of these
"Gender and sexuality are fluid and the inherent exclusivity of yourself and your choice to date whoever you want are entirely at your own discretion."
Sexuality comes in different forms, but isn't fluid and isn't up your choice unlike gender that also comes in different forms and also fluid. Again if you think gays can get it up on females - youre homophobic.
"Trying to place queer or even non queer people into a box is unhelpful."
This is what you're doing. You try to put gender labels that changes all the time on sexual orientation that can't be changed and has nothing to do with sexual orientation, you also try to shade existence of intersex ppl (can be born as, become cuz of health issues or be transitioned) and mark them as men and sex with them as gay just cuz of gender instead of embracing diversity of biological differences. "Oh, gays aren't attracted to vaginas? Idgaf, that guy fucks another guy vagina, looks like gay sex to me" which literally isn't
You can date whoever you want, I agree
"Also transsexual people are transgender. Transgender is an umbrella term and transsexual people are people who seek medical transition specifically. It is generally considered a dated term, but I fully support anyone who still wants to use it. Chani is notably NOT transsexual, because he is not transgender at all. His genital transformation is the result of God interference and he eventually would like his penis back."
I highly don't recommend to use ai on such topics
Nope, not all transsexual ppl are transgenders. And not all transgenders are transsexuals. Again, gender≠sex. Some ppl are fine with their birth sex but not gender forced upon them by society, some are fine with both, some ppl feel completely different. Now youre trying to put transsexuals and transgender in one box, which is completely wrong
and gender CHANGES.
Chani is transsexual, not transgender. That Goddess didn't change his gender, she changed his genitals (sex). Now he's not male, he doesn't have a dick, but he has a vagina and male chest. He's intersex, which is literally mix/lack of reproductive organs. At least google the definition.
"All that said, I fully believe that this story is a yaoi/bl (because it is two men having gay sex), but I also agree it needs a cuntboy tag. I do not think this needs to be under a hentai tag, because people into hentai are not going to like this story. People into hentai tend to be straight or seeking out straight content, which this does not provide."
Nope, they're not having a gay sex. Dick in vagina has nothing to do with gay sex and therefore can't be yaoi, even if they're both men. Pls dont be homophobic and put intersex as males, it is wrong and disrespectful
I wish there was a termin/genre that defines sex between not only males and females, but hermaphrodites, intersex and transsexual as well, guess they're not that popular (cuntboy sounds rude, pussyboy is better but still… eugh)
Bi ppl also read hentai, pan ppl read hentai. Boyyy youre insanely close minded. Hetero women also read yaoi btw
And honestly a saw a couple of works marked as hentai (on exclusively hentai porn websites) where popular male characters are also "magically" made intersex just to draw porn with them and it's not marked as yaoi or cuntboy
"Fuck the straights, queerness is not one-size-fits all, labels are stupid and can change whenever you want, label in-fighting is what keeps queer people apart and from creating larger social change, you can identify however you'd like, I'm a dyke, I love being queer and I love queer people."
Agree, but you also have to respect others sexualities instead of "labeling" them in like 3 categories based solely on gender. Pls just remember that gender≠sex and sexual orientation are about what sex they're and what sex they're attracted to, not matter what gender they're cuz you can choose it and it consistently changes, unlike sexual orientation. You said a hella lot of homophobic bs tbh, dont do this pls
Gender (man/woman/nonbinary etc) is a social concept and generally things you like and how you want to be seen. Gender definition changes with time, like pink was for boys before like 1940 and blue was for girls, hobbies, make up, different activities etc. You can choose your gender, youre not born with it and it can just change during your life
Sex (male/female/intersex/hermaphrodite) is what "between your legs", basically your reproductive organs. Intersex means youre born (or became one) with mixed reproductive organs or with the lack of it, and hence can't be just male or female and sex with them can't be hetero/gay/lesbian/and even bi cuz all of them based on ppl being just male or female
That's what happened with the dude here, the goddess took his dick and gave him vagaina. She didn't change his sex from male to female (didn't give him female anatomy and boobs, just vagina) and she didn't change his gender, she just made him intersex (cuntboy).
Your sex has nothing to do with your gender, meaning if you were born female (sex) it doesn't mean you're a woman (gender) and if you're born male (sex) it doesn't mean you're a man (gender). Sex≠gender
//I didn't quite understand your question srry
Sexual orientation is not about gender and can't be changed. It's about what sex you are and what sex youre attracted to.
If you're gay male man - youre attracted to males. You won't fuck vagina cuz it's a female genitalia and gay means youre not attracted to it, no matter what gender a person with vagina is. Sexual orientation is not your choice and can't be changed, pls dont be homophobic and call everything gay just cuz of genders.
There're many sexual orientations, and pan is the closest I can think this is honestly
Pls dont call dick in vagina (I know sounds kinda rude) gay sex when it isn't （￣へ￣）
Hon, I would love to engage in this conversation, but you are being insufferably rude. You yourself stated you wanted a respectful conversation about differing beliefs as long as you were not insulted. I was as neutral as I could be, but quite frankly it is hard to respond to a person who is not being as polite as I tried to be to them.
Thank you for the long reply, but I will not be reading it unless you update it without making presumptions about me. You don't need to resort to personal insult.
Dude all your response is a bunch of completely dumb homophobic bs like "it's gay to fuck vagina cuz they're men".
Not only that, you said that transsexuals are 100% transgenders (which is transphobic af), denied intersex when the manhwa's literally based on it and on top of it all used AI. Srsly, an AI. Using AI on such topics means you have no idea what are you talking about and you dgaf. Now this is insulting
And now you just "oh you have arguments? Ok idc you insulted me bye". No insults, esp personal (i dont know you), don't worry. I don't think that calling someone who's writing homophobic bs a homophobe is an insult, I explained in detail why you are completely wrong (genuinely can't believe how homophobic you are)
//You already proved that you have zero knowledge about sex, gender and sexual orientation, so it doesn't matter if you deign to read my comment. I mentioned fake lgbt supporters like you, but pls have a little respect and try not to suggest gays to fuck a guy with vagina or smth dumb like that. The most disappointing thing is that ppl like you don't even want to know anything and will become trumpies with time cuz they'll get confused and decide it's all nonsense :/
Can't say have a good day, just bye
Sex, gender, and orientation are different things, we can agree on that. Sex is either the "gender" you are assigned with, or the specific sexual dimorphism characteristics that you may or may not have. A lot of people can be intersex and still have only a vagina or dick (overly simplified), etc. And many who are intersex are assigned sexes/genders against their will, Ex: having genital/etc "correction" (there's other terms for it, forgot,) surgery they could not have consented to, done to them as kids.
(intersex folks are usually infertile (/ forgot the exact why) for our species, but that's part of the reason they're called intersex, not hermaphrodites.
Accidentally posted, my fingers...
Gender is whatever the heck the person/etc wants it to be for themselves, it's a form of self-expression, you can express yourself in your gender, whether or not you're cisgender or transgender. While sexual orientation, sexual orientation can also be whatever the heck the person/etc wants it to be for themselves, a cisgender gay male can decide for themselves whether or not they're interested in vaginas on men.
Ergo, cisgender gay males can be attracted to vaginas on men, provided they are attracted to vaginas on men. In that example: the cisgender gay male is not only attracted to a man without a vagina (implied), but also a man with a vagina.
I don't get how we need to segregate men being (not friendship) attracted to men ( AKA being gay), into whether or not that man's cisgender or not, heck, cisgender men can have a vaginoplasty, what happens then? Cisgender men getting a vaginoplasty is probably very rare, but it doesn't mean it can't happen, does that mean they're intersex/etc/a woman too?
No, you're born intersex, (I don't exactly call Yechan's case being intersex, because being intersex entails more than what sexual characteristics you have, it's also the health complications, etc, idk the exact things. But Yechan's more of a made into a fictional, fantasy, cuntboy / pussyboy.
And No being a woman entails/implies your gender is being a woman, this is a ¿Cisgender? (Idk man, they had a vaginoplasty... I mean, they can decide if they're still cis, I guess. I mean, you can be a transgender male, even if you were AMAB (assigned male at birth,) gay male.
Incase you could not see, I replied to myself, it's a continuation of my accidentally sent, first reply.
That's the reply to Nick's first message
Omg, yes, exactly! But you still can call someone male and man only if their gender and sex match. In other cases these are not interchangeable, like in this manhwa (at least till he gets his dih back)
Also yeah calling sex (male/female etc) gender is incorrect, those are two completely different things. Most ppl assign baby's gender based on their birth sex (not interests) and misunderstanding continues - that's also why some transphobes say that gender is just what "between your legs" cuz they have no idea what gender and sex are, in their mind those always are the same thing.
This is also why it's incorrect to say that gays are ppl with whatever sex but men who are attracted to men with whatever sex. I get that these comics are oversimplified-fetish versions of real life targeted at teenage audience (like having shlongs, no body hair and no preparations to have anal sex and even doing it right after eating in yaoi and kind of mockery of intersex ppl with that fairy-magic plots), but their attempts to change the definition of sexual orientation are extremely disrespectful and wrong. I hope this doesn't get out of the web so real gays don't have to suffer even more because of delulu kids ,_,
There're 40+ variations of intersex, including sex chromosomes that do not match the sex of the person born and that person prob never even know about it.
"having genital/etc "correction"" I think you mean intersex ppl who are on constant hormonal drugs cuz they may have both ovaries and testicles (or vagina with testicles but without ovaries etc) so their body don't know what hormones it should produce constantly to function. Super interesting topic, but it pisses me of when ppl simply deny their existence or say that they're males/females simply because of their gender instead of learning more about humans and also lazy cuz they don't wanna know more than like 4 sexual orientations ( T﹏T )
Replace my use of deciding attraction with: can intuit their own attraction
To the second one we go
"Gender is whatever the heck the person/etc wants it to be for themselves, it's a form of self-expression, you can express yourself in your gender, whether or not you're cisgender or transgender." Agreed
"While sexual orientation, sexual orientation can also be whatever the heck the person/etc wants it to be for themselves, a cisgender gay male can decide for themselves whether or not they're interested in vaginas on men. Ergo, cisgender gay males can be attracted to vaginas on men, provided they are attracted to vaginas on men. In that example: the cisgender gay male is not only attracted to a man without a vagina (implied), but also a man with a vagina."
Completely wrong. Sexual orientation is not a choice or preference (unlike gender), gays can't decide that now they aren't gays but hetero and they'll get it up only on females. You're homophobic. If gays could just not be gay - they wouldn't. Gays were killed and thrown into mental hospitals because they don't experience sexual attraction to women, and now you're saying that it turns out they can. Have at least a little conscience and respect for gays and stop being so freaking delulu
"I don't get how we need to segregate men being (not friendship) attracted to men ( AKA being gay), into whether or not that man's cisgender or not, heck, cisgender men can have a vaginoplasty, what happens then? Cisgender men getting a vaginoplasty is probably very rare, but it doesn't mean it can't happen, does that mean they're intersex/etc/a woman too?"
Cisgender means your birth sex and gender match. Male means you have male reproductive system and genitals. Vagaina is a female genital. If you have mixed reproductive organs or the lack of it - youre intersex and can't be only male or only female. So cisgender man means you're male man (didn't change your gender not sex) and don't have a vagina at all.
"No, you're born intersex, (I don't exactly call Yechan's case being intersex, because being intersex entails more than what sexual characteristics you have, it's also the health complications, etc, idk the exact things. But Yechan's more of a made into a fictional, fantasy, cuntboy / pussyboy."
You can be born intersex or become one (cuz of accidents, health problems or just cuz you want to be one). Cuntboy/pussyboy is just fetishized version of intersex.
There are different reasons why you can be intersex and it can be JUST sexual characteristics (in most cases), and the fact that now he has a vagina instead of a dick, but his anatomy and chest is still of a male - means that not he's intersex.
"And No being a woman entails/implies your gender is being a woman, this is a ¿Cisgender? (Idk man, they had a vaginoplasty... I mean, they can decide if they're still cis, I guess. I mean, you can be a transgender male, even if you were AMAB (assigned male at birth,) gay male."
Cisgender means youre birth sex and gender are the same. If you were born female and a woman, it means youre cisgender. It's an exclusive term
You can't decide to which sex you're attracted or not, that's the point of sexual orientation. Yes, it's like an animal biological thing. No, gays aren't attracted to females and their bodies and genitals. You guys are completely detached from the real world.
This isn't a religion, you don't choose what to believe in and what to like. A lot of gays wish they weren't gay just cuz of the fcked up world we live in and now your homophobic words "gays can fck and goon on vagina cuz they're gay" only make their situation worse.
Seeing that you have no idea what cisgender means and call sexual orientation a "preference" tells me that you don't know what you're talking about
Don't be homophobic
//seems like you blocked me or smth so I'll reply to myself
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You did the right thing by not replying to them they are very rude and arrogant and from what i can gather from there comment's they don't like gay's or they don't like people who are born with both sex's but are attracted to the same sex !!!
They don't understand they meaning's i have no idea why there here reading Yaoi
Dude youre calling dick in vagina gay which is the most homophobic bs I've ever heard, you literally hate gay ppl
"people who are born with both sex's but are attracted to the same sex" doesn't even make sense, intersex aren't born with both sexes (they aren't female and male the the same time), hermaphrodites are. Intersex ppl have mixed genitalia or a lack of them, so by your srry excuse for logic intersex are attracted to intersex, but in this manhwa an intersex fucks with a male, those are different sexes. Are you plain dumb or trolling me rn?
I don't think you should be here (I also have moments with bad grammar tho), it seems like you're not even 14
(you may have missed this because you replied before reading my third reply.) Read my third reply, here it's copy pasted: "Replace my use of deciding attraction with: can intuit their own attraction" (Intuit, as in, intuition.)
- reply 3
Cisgender, it can match your birth gender while still having something added/etc, Ex: a ¿cisgender? male, identifying as a transgender male, maybe because they find themselves being connected to womanhood in some way, but still intuiting their gender/sex as male.
Vaginoplasty is a type of surgery, where in, the penis parts /etc are made by a surgeon to look like a vagina, (or something like that, idk the specifics).
You cannot become intersex, being intersex is determined by your genes and how you formed in the womb, all the way to when you were birthed to.
Yes, intersex means you have a mix, but it can develop in ways where you have internal gonads of the opposite AGAB (assigned gender at birth), while also having the outside appearance of just a vagina or penis. (Correct me if I'm wrong on this.)
We can call intersex people who have vaginas / cunts / pussys as cuntboys / pussyboys, but that is usually considered a slur or a derogatory term, depending on the person. It's the same with the term hermaphrodite. That's why I called it the fictional / fantasy version, because IRL (in real life) intersex people who have vaginas are met with health complications, dysfunction in their sex organs, etc, (idk the exact things).
--- Yechan was just made to have a vagina by literal God of sex /etc, Blondie just gave Yechan a functional vagina with no health complications, no physical pain, no difference (I presume) in genes from before he had a vagina (other than having a vagina) (again, idk the specifics). I'm sorry, but Yechan is just the fictional fantasy Version of a cuntboy / pussyboy.
"There are different reasons why you can be intersex and it can be JUST sexual characteristics (in most cases), and the fact that now he has a vagina instead of a dick, but his anatomy and chest is still of a male - means that not he's intersex." - part of your reply.
(Me): oh yeah, that's actually part of my point. We actually agree on something again.
Exclusive term, you say, yeah, we can agree on that too.(Copy-pasted a part of this reply 4, which is this reply specifically):
"Cisgender, it can match your birth gender while still having something added/etc, Ex: a ¿cisgender? male, identifying as a transgender male, maybe because they find themselves being connected to womanhood in some way, but still intuiting their gender/sex as male."
- Dearly typed, reply number 4.
Yes, I did block you, you might just cuss me out, and well, you did eventually call me homophobic, so.
I agree that this isn't a religion, my 3rd and 4th reply having a reply to that. I'll just copy and paste it again: "Replace my use of deciding attraction with: can intuit their own attraction" (intuit, as in, Intuition.)
Okay, what about bisexuals then? Are you against bisexuals? Many bisexuals also wish they were not bisexual, did you know that?
I'm so sorry that the world we live in is horrible, but did you know, segregation on attraction, is just another way to make the world horrible? Let gay men who don't like vaginas, be with gay men who don't have vaginas, I don't oppose that. But we have to let gay men who like vaginas on gay men as well, be with gay men who have or don't have vaginas.
Is it so wrong that I and many others, would not like a segregation on attraction? Let love persit, consensually on all parties. I feel that that's at least the one opinion, that we can agree on, both.
Whether or not you're bisexual, gay, gay, but lesbian version, pansexual, heterosexual, intersex, transgender, cisgender, multigender, asexual, aromantic, biromantic, agender, demi girl, demi boy, and many more. We all deserve to love whoever the heck we want, as long as all parties consensually want it.
Sorry for our disagreements, I find that it's stressful on us both, I hope you find a space where you can freely express yourself with others, with no harm done.
"Hon, I would love to engage in this conversation, but you are being insufferably rude. You yourself stated you wanted a respectful conversation about differing beliefs as long as you were not insulted. I was as neutral as I could be, but quite frankly it is hard to respond to a person who is not being as polite as I tried to be to them.
Thank you for the long reply, but I will not be reading it unless you update it without making presumptions about me. You don't need to resort to personal insult." - Mico.
Wow, Mico did the right thing.
You did insult me, many times, calling me homophobic, etc. I also didn't mention religion. It was a mistake on a word,
I replaced decide with intuit (as in intuition), you didn't read my 3rd reply before you replied.
Edit: Persist
//I have three answers - this is the fourth
" "Replace my use of deciding attraction with: can intuit their own attraction" (Intuit, as in, intuition.)"
I already replied:
"Completely wrong. Sexual orientation is not a choice or preference (unlike gender), gays can't decide that now they aren't gays but hetero and they'll get it up only on females. You're homophobic. If gays could just not be gay - they wouldn't. Gays were killed and thrown into mental hospitals because they don't experience sexual attraction to women, and now you're saying that it turns out they can. Have at least a little conscience and respect for gays and stop being so freaking delulu"
And I'll add that NO, you can't intuit sexual attraction. You can learn later if you jerked off only on hetero porn that you can do the same with gay porn and discover that youre bi, but you can't make yourself sexually like sexes you don't
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"Cisgender, it can match your birth gender while still having something added/etc, Ex: a ¿cisgender? male, identifying as a transgender male, maybe because they find themselves being connected to womanhood in some way, but still intuiting their gender/sex as male."
Also already replied, pls at least leran the definition. You don't know what cisgender means.
The word cisgender (often shortened to cis; sometimes cissexual) describes a person whose gender identity corresponds to their sex assigned at birth, i.e., someone who is not transgender. (From Wikipedia)
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"Vaginoplasty is a type of surgery, where in, the penis parts /etc are made by a surgeon to look like a vagina, (or something like that, idk the specifics)."
Already replied, dunno why you repeated that. Cis males dont have vaginas
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"You cannot become intersex, being intersex is determined by your genes and how you formed in the womb, all the way to when you were birthed to."
Nope, again: you can be born intersex or become one (cuz of accidents, health problems or just cuz you want to be one). There're cases when female women must have their uterus (and/or ovaries) and breasts removed due to cancer. There are cases where, during or before puberty, genitals that weren't present at birth suddenly develop. There are people who don't want to be either female or male and feel comfortable undergoing several surgeries and becoming intersex (not transgender, but transsexual. They transitioned into intersex from their birth sex).
From wiki: Of an individual, having any of a variety of inherent conditions (in a species with distinct sexes) in which one's sex characteristics differ from those of a typical male and female; for example, having sex characteristics relating to both male and female sexes.
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"Yes, intersex means you have a mix, but it can develop in ways where you have internal gonads of the opposite AGAB (assigned gender at birth), while also having the outside appearance of just a vagina or penis. (Correct me if I'm wrong on this.)"
Afab or amab (assigned female/male at birth) are correct cuz we're talking about sex, not gender. What you wrote is a description of intersex.
"We can call intersex people who have vaginas / cunts / pussys as cuntboys / pussyboys, but that is usually considered a slur or a derogatory term, depending on the person. It's the same with the term hermaphrodite. That's why I called it the fictional / fantasy version, because IRL (in real life) intersex people who have vaginas are met with health complications, dysfunction in their sex organs, etc, (idk the exact things)."
I also replied to it "This is also why it's incorrect to say that gays are ppl with whatever sex but men who are attracted to men with whatever sex. I get that these comics are oversimplified-fetish versions of real life targeted at teenage audience (like having shlongs, no body hair and no preparations to have anal sex and even doing it right after eating in yaoi and kind of mockery of intersex ppl with that fairy-magic plots), but their attempts to change the definition of sexual orientation are extremely disrespectful and wrong. I hope this doesn't get out of the web so real gays don't have to suffer even more because of delulu kids ,_,"
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--- Yechan was just made to have a vagina by literal God of sex /etc, Blondie just gave Yechan a functional vagina with no health complications, no physical pain, no difference (I presume) in genes from before he had a vagina (other than having a vagina) (again, idk the specifics). I'm sorry, but Yechan is just the fictional fantasy Version of a cuntboy / pussyboy."
Being intersex doesn't always mean you'll have health problems. By taking his dick and giving him vagina she made him intersex. He was a male, but now he has female's genitalia with male chest and anatomy. This means he's intersex now (cuntboys are intersexes)
Ofc it's fictional
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"There are different reasons why you can be intersex and it can be JUST sexual characteristics (in most cases), and the fact that now he has a vagina instead of a dick, but his anatomy and chest is still of a male - means that not he's intersex." - part of your reply.
(Me): oh yeah, that's actually part of my point. We actually agree on something again."
Oh lol I'm glad that you understand (I hope so) now. Buuuut there's a typo "means that NOW he's intersex."
I'll write again just in case - if he's not fully male (and now he's not) - he's an intersex
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"Exclusive term, you say, yeah, we can agree on that too.(Copy-pasted a part of this reply 4, which is this reply specifically):
"Cisgender, it can match your birth gender while still having something added/etc, Ex: a ¿cisgender? male, identifying as a transgender male, maybe because they find themselves being connected to womanhood in some way, but still intuiting their gender/sex as male.""
I'll write the definition again "The word cisgender (often shortened to cis; sometimes cissexual) describes a person whose gender identity corresponds to their sex assigned at birth, i.e., someone who is not transgender. (From Wikipedia)".
You can't change your birth sex, gender or both and be cis. Youre cis ONLY if you're born with the same sex and gender and didn't change anything
//the 5th
"Okay, what about bisexuals then? Are you against bisexuals? Many bisexuals also wish they were not bisexual, did you know that?"
Bisexual means youre female or male sexually attracted to both females and males. Gay means youre male sexually attracted to males only. Lesbian means youre female sexually attracted to females only. Intersex can't be defined as female or male, so if you're intersex or someone you feel sexual attraction means you're not hetero/gay/lesbian/bi cuz those are sexual orientations about males and females only, not hermaphrodites, not intersex. Pansexual is the closest sexual orientation I can name
I'm against homophobes calling vaginal sex gay due to their stupidity or/and homophobia
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"I'm so sorry that the world we live in is horrible, but did you know, segregation on attraction, is just another way to make the world horrible? Let gay men who don't like vaginas, be with gay men who don't have vaginas, I don't oppose that. But we have to let gay men who like vaginas on gay men as well, be with gay men who have or don't have vaginas."
Are you trolling me? You still don't understand what sex is? Gays doesn't have vaginas and aren't attracted to them and any part of female body. Gay means youre male attracted to males only. It's not segregation, it's definition made for ppl to communicate better. Like gay bars or apps, it's also important to have rights for same sex couples to have kids and get married, and lesbians shouldn't have to tolerate flirting from straight men cuz they like woman, etc
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"Is it so wrong that I and many others, would not like a segregation on attraction? Let love persit, consensually on all parties. I feel that that's at least the one opinion, that we can agree on, both."
If you don't want to know what's your sexual orientation (or don't want to have one, or youre asexual etc) then dont, no one's forcing you.
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"Whether or not you're bisexual, gay, gay, but lesbian version, pansexual, heterosexual, intersex, transgender, cisgender, multigender, asexual, aromantic, biromantic, agender, demi girl, demi boy, and many more. We all deserve to love whoever the heck we want, as long as all parties consensually want it."
Agreed
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"Sorry for our disagreements, I find that it's stressful on us both, I hope you find a space where you can freely express yourself with others, with no harm done."
There're a lot of holy wars online (when ppl just start to cuss each other at some point), dont stress over them. They won't change your life or something like that, and they don't really mean anything, just water under the bridge. You don't have to reply if you don't want to, the conversation itself exists only if we both are talking to each other uwu
//6thhhhh
"Wow, Mico did the right thing."
Good for her
"You did insult me, many times, calling me homophobic, etc. I also didn't mention religion. It was a mistake on a word,
I replaced decide with intuit (as in intuition), you didn't read my 3rd reply before you replied."
I called you homophobic because you are homophobic. It's not an insult, and I didn't call you or Mico anything else. I explained why bs that you both wrote is homophobic.
Actually, if you consider being called "homophobic" with a ton of explanations an insult, it means you ARE homophobic.
I'll give you an IMAGINARY example, so I hope you'll understand: you and mico said in a lot of message that "all women are dumb" with a sloppy sexist knowledge. I called you and mico sexists, cuz if you think that "all women are dumb" - you are a sexist. I explained to you both why youre wrong. And instead of stopping being sexists and insulting women you said that I insulted you by calling you sexists for your sexists statements. That's what happened, but instead of being sexist youre being homophobic
Religion was an example, dont worry. And no, you can't "intuit" yourself to being sexually attracted to sexes youre not
//the 4thhhh
A lil correction "And I'll add that NO, you can't intuit sexual attraction to the sexes you're not attracted to"
This means if you're lesbian, you won't find males attractive and you can't make yourself feel attracted to them even if you want to
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LOL 1. This will be the 2nd and last time i reply to you sinse your very inmutuere etc ans love to speach rudly to peoply and not politly but i known you wont be my last on here
2. Tell me whe did i say a d**k was a v****a ??? please do not put thing's in that i never said thankyou
Tell me how am i dumb or trolling you ???
3. What i do know is that i'm way older then you by they way you comment any speack to people and for your information i'm in my 40's and i'm gay woman you sound like your a teen a school or in their very 20's i know the gay world so please LMFAO
Bro (using this as a gender neutral term lmk if you'd like something else.), you're just being transphobic now. I've said my part, I won't repeat it again, you've ignored my points. That we should love whoever the heck we want when we feel like it, consensually on all parties.
It makes me feel like you disagree with that notion. What a horrible world we live in.
- Sincerely, someone who's not gonna reply anymore, because of the above. (Please don't contact me anymore.)
Oh, forgot.
"To the sexes you're not attracted to". You know there's gay men who like both sexes, but dislike being with someone with the gender of a woman?
Anyways, bye.
Oh, sorry. I accidentally replied to you, I would delete it, but mangago doesn't allow me to, it's not a feature.
Oh, forgot.
"To the sexes you're not attracted to". You know there's gay men who like both sexes, but dislike being with someone with the gender of a woman?
Anyways, bye.
Question
You OK ?
Here we go again the same stuff as last time you like to go on about my grammer but if your going to talk crap about people look at yourself hard in the mirror and yes i do every day if you want to through that back at me Miss / Mr sinse i don't know whom child i'm speaking to
2. Your the one should not be here you on't like " 2 guy's i yes i mean 2 guy's weather he ha a p***s or a v****a he was still born a male and is attracted to male sexualy if you dont like this response please don't reply i'm so sick of your attiude ( kindly ) you wonder why the other's were fireing back at you bacause you can't even have a nice confersation
how did you get my age mixed up when i told you i was in my 40's
Can you just like not read or do you just skip over it ???
Anyway your a rude arrogant brat with no manners what so ever for their elders !!!
biggest fucking loser award goes to you. a gay man dating a trans man doesn't make him any less gay. not everybody has a preference when it comes to genitalia (hello, homoromantic asexuality exists, you fucking moron?). you're being homophobic and transphobic. grow a braincell you gross weirdo
Welp now I hope that you're trolling
The 7th
"you're just being transphobic now."
I literally wrote you definitions from Wikipedia.
You don't want to understand what cisgender means, when it literally stated that if you're transgender - youre not cis. The same with intersex. Now youre angry cuz your imaginary definitions aren't the same as the real ones
""To the sexes you're not attracted to". You know there's gay men who like both sexes, but dislike being with someone with the gender of a woman?"
If you're attracted to both sexes it means you're bi, not gay. Gay means you're male sexually attracted to males only. For fucks sake…
If they dislike just being in the same room with women it means they're misogynistic or sexist… Gay doesn't mean you hate or dislike women, it just means youre not sexually attracted to female women
Dude bro whatever, you still don't understand that sex≠gender and what sexual orientations are
And now to the tinski
I'll ignore the insults, it already means you have nothing to say
Seems like you too don't understand that sex (male) ≠ gender (man), cuz your example about dating have nothing to do with sexual orientation.
You can date whoever you want, and yes, you can date without having sex. If you're gay it means youre a male sexually attracted to males. It doesn't mean gays can only date other males, they just won't be sexually attracted to other sexes, except male
I'm repeating myself at this point
No, sexual orientation is not a preference. You can't go like "Im only sexually attracted to dicks" and next week "wait no now I'm sexually attracted only to vaginas"
Now carefully read:
Homophobia is not understanding (and refusing to undersatand) that sexual orientation is not a choice and it is not a preference.
You have to accept ppl for who they are instead of saying "gays can fuck vagina". No, they can't. They're not sexually attracted to them and they can't change it. And you don't decide for them. Youre trying to change definition you dont even know.
Dont be homophobic, kids
//the fact that youre so coward that you wrote bunch of insults and blocked me is so funny. Kids like you all are the reason I hope someday websites with adult content will be 21+ with passport access and homophobes like you'll be banned permanently or even taken to court. God kids are so dumb, they can't even google the definition of cisgender
Oh no they're both shocked that their sex should be prevented lololll
Can someone pls write the genres? I remember before temp block this winter there always were brief ACTUAL description with complete genres and disclaims with emojis like or smth from users but now it's gone ╥﹏╥
Fr I miss them so much and still hope it comes back everybody seems to forget we had this before
Is it shounen-ai? What's up with the tags?
After skimming spoilers it all just seems to be yaoi-bait (or if there is smth it’s never confirmed even til the end)
Apparently the author wanted to, but was worried about backlash/lack of popularity. Regardless, they later have a literal child together (the stone in HYH with SHY's energy becomes their cute little son/fairy dragon)
This is more BL than actual BL I’ve read I wish author just went for it anyway but oh well. Btw do you know any stories with a dynamic like HYH and SHY but it’s actual romance? (Could be BL, GL, Straight I read it all)
Ohhh wutahell ;(
For equal level pairing: The Hunter is Going to Lay Low, Death defied by a will, global examination, kiss the abyss
Unequal strength: Necromancer Survival, S- Class Sweet as Honey, Follow the Sheep into the Abyss (so cute, but low chapter count rn)
Ty so much!
Alpha locked them both on purpose UNDERGROUD WITH NO ESCAPE to have sex fully knowing that omega doesn't want it and now dares to call it "r*pe" just cuz he doesn't want to bottom? Idgaf about his childhood traumas, alpha's just disgusting piece of sht AND r*pist. Not gonna read it anymore, I'm tired of authors justifying alphas under "yeah he's r*pist and dgaf about his so-called "love of his life" feelings in the slightest but look he's cute and handsome" sht (╬￣皿￣)凸
lol get out of here. we don't need someone who has low reading comprehension. bottom or top he was not into it. you are the disgusting one for twisting the narrative just to defend the omega. the fcking double standard
and you are okay reading snake hole so i won't take your opinion seriously. so performative.
Fyi, snake hole is total slop, I rated it 1 star and dropped
Grayson imprisoned them both on purpose (IT IS A CRIME) to r*pe Dane (IT IS A CRIME) while being fully aware that Dane doesn't want to have sex with Grayson at all (IT IS A CRIME)
Grayson planned it all (HE PLANNED A R*PE) knowing that at some point him or Dane will go into heat, and it happened. The difference is that Dane tried to find suppressants and didn't want to be there at all, while the only thing Grayson wanted was to have sex with Dane EVEN WITHOUT HIS CONSENT. And when it happened the only thing Grayson didn't like is being bottom and called it r*pe, but when omega in heat said "ok I'll be bottom" Grayson is enjoying himself
READ IT WITH YOUR EYES OPEN YOURE JUSTIFYING A MANIAC THAT LITERALLY PLANNED THIS ALL (╬￣皿￣)凸
snake hole enjoyer
explaining all this shit to a fcking novel reader lol. grow up snake hole enjoyer.
Don’t even bother with them , they are transphobic and has rated low tide on twilight 5/5 which has also rape that is not even acknowledge at the start
Grayson did the same thing as in manhwa. He locked Dane underground to sa him, knowing that Dane doesn't want to have sex with him, just to check if Dane's dominant omega.
"Grayson imprisoned them both on purpose (IT IS A CRIME) to r*pe Dane (IT IS A CRIME) while being fully aware that Dane doesn't want to have sex with Grayson at all (IT IS A CRIME)"
Now I'm blocking you, rapist justifier AND dumb enough to troll someone on such topic, gross
The sacred knowledge of intersex ppl existing (and sadly make into goonslop) isn't transphobia, and low tide (tbh rated high just cuz got nostalgia) isn't such slop and much more complicated than THIS manhwa, where freaking rape is portrayed like something funny and def not something to take srsly to the point of dumb kids justifying the rapist
I think it's your second account, and you're not on the topic, so I'm blocking you too
Seriously, what did you read?
1. Dane kidnapped Grayson in a way which could qualify as attempted murder, and well he kidnappened him. Both are crimes. And that is where is started.
2. Grayson then locked them up, but never intended to rape Dane. And the way he reacted to Dane in heat made it actually pretty clear.
3. Grayson in the novel made pretty clear that he does not consent in general, no matter if top or bottom. That was at a point where Dane already decided to bottom.
Dane used his pheromones to knock him out and the next thing Grayson knew was that Dane strangled his poor Virginia and he was in rut.
1 Nope, cuz he was 100% set on beating him, not killing. And sadly couldn't do it
2. Grayson said himself that he locked Dane "to have sex" and that it was the only way out, while perfectly knowing that Dane didn't want to have sex with him at all. Dane didn't want to be in heat, and he wouldn't, if Grayson hadn't locked him up. And Dane couldn't control himself during heat cycle, but he tried to get surpressant before it's too late while Grayson didn't think about it at all. He just wanted to rape Dane
3. I've read the quotes. Grayson trapped them there to rape Dane, just like in manhwa, and to check if he's dominant (that butterfly thing). When Dane got into heat cycle (he didn't want to btw) and couldn't control himself, but still the first thing he did was trying to find suppressants, he still listened to grayson's "request", unlike when Dane asked him to to lock him under fucking ground. In the end they fucked just like Grayson wanted from the beginning (to fuck Dane), but got "scared" cuz he never experienced dominant omegas pheromones before and couldn't abuse Dane by them, instead he was the one controlled (not on purpose, Dane didn't want to go into heat cycle and couldn't control himself)
Funny how Dane wasn't scared when he got locked UNDERGROUND with alpha who wanted to fuck him, with the food enough to least even if he drank all suppressants, but you're portraying fucking rapist Grayson as a victim
If you lock up yourself with someone you want to fuck, and drug that person (who doesn't what to have sex with you) enough to lose their mind and be like in heat cycle, you're at fault.
You committed at least 3 crimes (locking someone up without their consent, harass them by saying you want to fuck them and nvm that they don't want to, and drug them/waiting for heat cycle in this bs) on purpose.
Srry I'm tired of repeating myself, there's discussion like this in the comments with the same contents, you can real it if you want to. You're just saying the same bs justifying the fucking maniac rapist and I don't really wanna talk to you anymore so I'll block you //you can block me too(╯°Д °)╯╧╧