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We black people ARE the victim I'm so tired of you cunts talking down on us AND OUR CLEAR EXPLANATION of why it's bad. Idgaf if you don't think its bad you're NOT BLACK you're not the one being victimized

bruh, nobody told her to cancel anything; she decided to do that of her own accord. also, those rape stories can fuck off as well... matter of fact, let's obliberate jinx while we are it

Nobody is saying these topics can't be portrayed. The problem is how they're portrayed.

The mc is introduced as "one of the good ones" white savior, while the ML is a habibi el slut but native instead. That's the issue people are criticizing, not the fact that the story includes slavery.

Amongst other things already discussed over and over again in here

Curious about why ML calls himself a slave? Illinois was a free state, so was that supposed to be a joke?

Also ML is less of a white savior than he is a boss handing out (unexpected) severance to his employees.. He isn't trying to fix anyone's problems or 'civilize' them. Also, maybe ML is non-white, but that does that mean showing interracial relationships in historical settings is always improper? They didn't even exchange more than a greeting, too early to peg him as anything. It wasn't like the author was writing a confederate soldier getting it on with a non-white person.

It's a shame the twitter crowd is so reflexively averse to even entertain a story set in this time period. There was nothing in there to warrant a cancellation afaik.

« I failed to fully recognize that I was replicating problematic historical contexts and representational tropes found in past works. » this just proves how the story was going to be worst than that first chapter so the best decision was indeed to cancel it.

Nobody is saying interracial relationships in historical settings are inherently wrong. That's not the criticism.

The issue is that the very first chapter frames a wealthy white protagonist as the benevolent liberator of enslaved people who immediately praise him for buying their freedom. That's a pretty textbook white savior setup.

The ml's design doesn't help either. He feels less like an actual native character and more like "native" used as an aesthetic, blue eyes, tan skin, short hair, pearls, but no real tribal identity or cultural specificity. The aesthetic being slave x master porn and race fetish.

And yeah, it was only one chapter. But first impressions DO matter, especially when Jaxx later admitted they hadn't done research on the topic.

Also, this wasn't some grand cancellation. People criticized the story, Jaxx acknowledged the criticism, apologized, and chose to stop the project.

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its about how its being portrayed and quite frankly i find it odd how only the white side characters have faces and not the slaves? also genuinely who enjoys those rape stories only uneducated and brain fogged people like it

what are you even saying? heck, i think you're even arguing against a position that most people weren't actually taking, and that's saying a lot.
nobody is implying that no story set during the civil war should exist, or that any interracial relationship in that period is automatically inappropriate. i would have agreed with you that there wasn't enough material to call the protagonist a 'white saviour', but to do that, you have to set aside how Jaxx: 1- implied the existence of blue blooded people when, historically, america did not have a legal aristocracy or nobility after gaining independence, 2- the depiction of black people in her storytelling and the dialogue given to them throughout the lenses of a racist land agent and the mc himself, who spoke for THEm. readers are allowed to be sceptical if the setup immediately raises red flags
and the cherry on top of your comment is this nonsense..... if you're saying that the mixed-race character "couldn't be a slave", consider that in the 19th century, there were indigenous people and people of indigenous descent who were subjected to servitude, kidnapping or slavery in various regions of north america, even in free states like illinois. what. are. you. even. saying?
you sound obtuse.

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omg I noticed this too, like the racist ranch seller or whatever he was got a face but not the black and brown people? Interesting...

The aristocracy context was so mild that I kinda overlooked it like a bad historical drama. There's maybe two mentions of it, one is calling him blue blooded and the other is everyone calling young master.

I missed that context tbh. And I don't really see anyone apart from the MC and the racist land agent even mildly characterized. What exactly were the black employees supposed to say in that context? The interaction between MC and the racist sounded more like an exposition dump than anything.

I am not saying that indigenous people could not be subject to slavery, I'm more confused about why if ML's 'humble slave' comment. If MC's family were slavers, I'm confused why they would send their only son to fight for the union. If they were not slavers, I don't understand why ML would make a comment like that. And regardless of MC's family status, I don't understand why anyone non-white would call themselves a slave in that time period, even sarcastically.

atp we will never know what the intention behind that comment was. if we take the genre into account, it could have been excessive devotion in response to a past action or something similar. hell it could even have been revenge. regardless of it, the comment mainly serves to set up their dynamic and for many that was enough, including me.
some families that fought in the union army had previously owned enslaved people, and some still benefited from slavery in different ways.... so, based on what we're shown, it does seem possible that the mc's family owned slaves.
but here's my issue with that assumption: the situation surrounding slavery was complicated in the border states. while illinois itself was a free state, it bordered kentucky and missouri, both of which permitted slavery.... even then, i'm still so fucking confused with the scene, like i want to ask the author myself what was that??
my main issue with the reaction of the black characters is honestly based on empathy and common sense, something that the storytelling lacked inmensly. not everyone learned about emancipation at the same time; many enslaved people remained in bondage long after emancipation had been declared, with some only gaining their freedom many years later. others escaped to union territory or mexico long before slavery was officially abolished. it wouldn't be surprising if their reactions were a mixture of fear, uncertainty or even disbelief.
nonetheless... it's a fcking big deal.
why not give them a face? i saw someone else mention this in the thread. even if the mc wasn't fighting specifically for their liberation, they were still caught up in the conflict. why not depict their fear, doubt or other emotional responses instead of leaving them in the background? i know that's not the main focus of the chapter, which is insane, but it's crazyyy that a native american descendant is given a dramatic introduction in the next panel, calling himself a slave, while the liberation of the enslaved people on the ranch is barely touched upon.

exactly

geez i hate writing too much and i think some of thoughts got mixed up. going back with the possibility of the mc's family owning slaves, i think it has to have a VERY specific political and geographic ((((how close was the ranch to other border states))) context or else the author was very much incorrect with basically everything. fuck i might investigate that later. anyway, thats what i think

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this is why so many people are upset about the depiction of a "savior" in general. while the civil war was fundamentally about slavery, the union's initial goal was preserving the country, with abolition becoming an explicit war aim later on. at the beginning of the war, thousands of black americans were denied the opportunity to enlist. they were only allowed to serve in large numbers after the emancipation proclamation, largely because the union needed more troops..... even then, they faced segregation, unequal pay, and discrimination despite fighting for the same cause.
american history regarding slavery is cruel, dehumanizing, and despicable, and its consequences are still felt today. that's why it's beyond appalling to see so many people bitch and complain about the cancellation of this series while we are experiencing a social and cultural regression regarding honest portrayals of racism and the country's long history of failing to treat black americans with dignity.

I concur.

I found out I'm not on the right topic since it was cancelled bc of smth else. I was reading info on here until I saw this Reddit post. I misunderstood, I'm sorry i'll do more research before I start commenting on shit. also i dont really wanna start arguments because of smth fictional, but I get why ppl dont like it. I just thought it was bc there were slaves portrayed in the manhwa that ppl was raging, once again I'm very sorry for just coming on here blindly without doing comprehensive research.

shut ur white bitch up

Still far more interesting than 99% webtoons sis