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no ho. You is gotta be lying

wdym?? maybe u should check out the artist's twt first.

I checked the artist twitter and it doesn't seem like AI at all.

where did u find this out?? and whats the twitter??

huh? could you please point out the panels that are supposedly made with ai??

WAIT R U FOR REAL ?????

WHERE DID U FIND THIS OUT??

Pls tell me this is just ragebait

hell nah, ur lying

Ignore this bot, just an attention seeking troll

I don't think this is Ai at all, don't accused things if you're not real sure

i'm an artist as well so i can tell you're bullshitting others, most likely out of jealousy. You didn't even make a point. Even the tiny inconsistencies are very natural, made by hand. That's not how ai inconsistencies are like.

guys I’m not a bot LMFAOO this is not rage bait this artist is CLEARLY using AI look at the hands and backgrounds of literally chapters one and two, I’m talking about the small hands of the peasants in the backgrounds not the main points of attention, and just cuz this is onion doesn’t mean some of you can get so comfortable so quickly to start being disrespectful lmao let’s have a real and respectful conversations instead of insulting others, I urge you to look at the art much closer, this is without a doubt- AI. I can practically see rhe algebra behind the drawings bro srsly, the artist is drawing as well but is using AI assistance it’s incredibly obvious

Just cuz this is online***

I’m ngl you didnt make any points either bro so now what, really honestly look at the hands, and especially the faces inconsistency in line art style and rendering style

Unfortunately I’m positive, I’m a classically taught freelance artist so I have reasonable suspicion, I did take a look at the artists twitter and they do have drawings rhat are not AI, but this uploaded comic is using AI, drawing a comic takes a lot more time and effort so I can see why they would use it (as a shortcut) vs one time illustrations that they simply draw and post to promote their art or comic online

And also to clarify this persons art is amazing so they may not be using it because of a lack of talent or anytning but as a shortcut, I have seen some people feed their own art into programs that generate art that looks like their own (far stretch but rhay could be what their doing??) which if they are doing that then in my opinion there’s nothing ethically wrong with that but otherwise it’s not, this is not me trynna hate I’m just pointing out something I noticed and the more suspicious people get the closer you can get to the truth

Im going back to check bc now you sound right.

The villagers are usually not the main of focus so i can see they simplified it alot usually drawn in 2 stroke or less but it still makes sense, had it been AI the hands wouldve been clipping through objects, Twisting in physically impossible direction, bleeding into the colors or just makes no sense. I went and pay attention to every single background villager and although it is simplified amd messy the hand/feet/head rotation to body rotation makes sense.

Not to mention, the background gets less detailed the further they are. I saw a bunch of props that looks so lazy and hand drawn like the cup in the market. Only a human wouldve been that lazy to just outline an oval and fvck it. It looks to me more like just putting squiggly brush strokes to give the finishing touches. The cup was so close to the reader's view that AI couldve made it detailed so easily. And you can see from the market panel that they even draw the ocean with a white outline brush and just put a wiggly. The parts you mistaken as AI is just because the artist wasnt trying to be perfect and wanting to move on the next panel quickly. Isnt tiredness a human trait. Also seagulls with no outline and just a random brushstroke looks like AI cus why would such a talented artist make something bad, but AI could make it closer to its shape and way too easily too. So only a human would be able to purposely make such a bad seagull.

thanks for pointing this out honestly i thought i was going crazy. i've been squinting at the mermaid's hair in particular and so many of the strands just don't make any sense. i get the stylization but no artists would make some of those decisions. it seems like the artist enhanced their own art with ai, a lot of it still looks very human and skilled but the details just throw me off. the story is soo intruiging but i don't know if i can stomach the risk of it being ai... very disappointing :(

Yes thank you that is exactly my point!

No I do this too when I make short stories/comics, the hands are sometimes backwards, the strokes of the lineart don’t make sense logically for a human to make, and the style is very inconsistent, this artist heavily alters the AI product but it is still AI nonetheless

Im pretty sure the mermaids hair is messy cus the artist used a hairbrush(the one with multiple strands per stroke and empty fill) when they layer the brush stroke one after another it gets wild like that.

I find the style quite consistent though. And by consistent i meant the color, shading and the way they draw eyelashes. Hand drawn characters arent usually vonsistent in every angle anyway especially if its a painterly style like this, its not like 3d models. Can you tell me which panels has a hand backwards?

When you say strokes of lineart i hope you meant just the black lines because the lines thats usually on higlights and shadows are a watercolor effect on csp that can automatically create borders where 2 different values collide.

Chinese artists often draw hair messy n faded in some areas:
https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSrhBBArL/

Im sure if u see the finished hair on the bottom left that it look like AI but isnt

A lot of artists SUCK at drawing hands, they make mistakes. Inconsistencies doesn't mean it's AI. You can't just point at someone's work and say, "yeah, that's AI" just because you are a "classically taught freelance artist". That just reeks of superiority complex. Your suspicion is just that, suspicion. It doesn't mean it's AI for sure.

The inconsistencies made by AI, are the same things real artists could actually make.

Just came here to say I came back after checking and it still doesn't look like AI. I see many artists get accused of using AI while it's not true.

It has become a trend to witch hunt and accuse genuine artists of ai use, especially on twitter.They recently bullied an artist into deleting their account just because their art style is mediocre and the 'hands' were used as supposed proof. The truth is that non of these accusers have genuine proof yet they dox and boycott people with nothing but assumptions. They move with the mindset "Everyone's guilty until proven innocent" which is massively destructive and scares away people from starting projects and sharing their art. In this case as well NO ONE has ANY proof, yet they demand of others to "not support" this artist just because of their assumption only. I've been accused of sharing 'ai art' before and i know how freaking painful it is. It's very disrespectful.

Uh i think you replied to the wrong person ╥﹏╥

Who am I doxxing bro you are comparing apples to oranges, this is just a conversation in a small section of the internet I’m not sending hoards of people out or doing a mass campaign to doxx people I’m sorry with all the respect in the world maybe take a break from twitter. This artist is very clearly and visibly using AI, whether you support or don’t doesn’t bother me I just wanted to let people know in case they cared about AI art being used because quiet frankly I can’t really prove their using AI the same way I can’t mathematically prove gravity to you right now. In order to genuinely prove it I would need to search through the artists drawing files, have recordings of them drawing the specific panels, etc. there’s no way to prove anything except for the little things rhat I can point out to like the backwards hands, the line art issues (the black parts) the art style slightly changing, notably the eyes, etc, it’s all minute because the artist is talented and clearly knows what their doing. That is all

Lmao I mean I get that most comics operate rhe same way it’s very rare that a comic has a crazy rendered background, most of the time they are scribbles, however, artists spend hours drawing those scribbles, because even those scribbles take a long time and a lot of knowledge to properly convey visually what’s happening with such little detail, this artist clearly knows how to do that, however, sometimes this stops being present, where the art just doesn’t seem to logically make sense, for example, some hands are backwards, this is not just a mistake someone would make, they are spending hours on these backgrounds and most likely have a team, unless they don’t have a team and are using AI to compensate/take short cuts, that is my stance

You have to understand that this person is not your average twitter artist, their skill is that of a professional, rhe mistakes they will make are not the ones you often see, the type of “mistakes” they would make are more likely to be deliberate decisions (making the hand not very well detailed, or maybe the proportions are different) those are the mistakes this level of an artist would make they are not an amateur. Let’s pretend they are tho for the sake of the argument, I’m not criticizing how “good” their hands are, often times drawing terrible hands is a sign your NOT using AI, but the hand issues here are only ones a compute system would make (like completely changing the direction of the hand to literally be backwards) make strokes rhat a human would just never make. Maybe I’m not articulated enough to explain this but I tried my best, also real “classically trained artists” should and would never belittle others for their artwork or skill level, because we all sucked, and I remember what it was like to suck, so it’s not really something common among people who are actually trained, this is something weird amateur ego-maniacs do, or people on the internet, please meet real life artists and working artists

Would be nice if you could give exact panels and examples of what you're seeing as signs of AI. I only found one hand that could be considered "backwards", but even that I could forgive as the artist misjudging the perspective of a hand pulling a chain. I'm also not seeing these obvious inconsistencies in line work and style that you're seeing either.

Are you really an artist if you care more about AI but not the fact that you're here, an illegal site profiting off artists? An artist would never blatantly accuse someone is using AI without facts or concrete proof. Are you the best artist in the world? An AI expert? What makes you think your eyes are better than everyone here thats denying your accusations, that you shamelessly talk as if you're correct. I can just as easily accuse you of using AI and tell everyone to not support you. You're guilty until proven otherwise, thats what you're doing afterall? If this artist didnt use AI and proven it, what are you gonna do? Just say sorry and move on? With no consequences when you ruined their reputation and trust and cause them hurt? Its easy to accuse someone of AI, you just have to search and anything can be a sign for someone like you. Its confirmation bias. What even is "classically trained artist" acting as if that somehow makes you superior than other artists. Do you think anyone in the industry would be on your side? Your evidence is weak as hell but you immediately acted as if its facts. Any other artists would say you're jumping the gun here. I wouldve ignored you if you never wrote " learn the craft themselves" in your original comment. Exactly what are you implying?

Professionals can't make mistakes now? This is a webtoon, where artist need to draw A LOT, and within a certain period of time.

"please meet real life artists and working artists" there, there you again with your judgement towards someone you don't even know or met irl. I am an artist myself fyi. At this point, you're just hating on the creator of this manhwa. You don't even have solid proof to back up your claims, yet you go telling people to not read or support this creator.

It’s not about making mistakes or not it’s about what KIND of mistakes you can be an artist doesn’t mean it wouldn’t benefit to meet more and expand your horizons that advice I give to myself too, look at the patterns of the fish on the first few panels, look at the clothing folds, emphasis on the fish btw that is CLEAR indication of AI why tf would I hate on other artists I love supporting artists and uplifting I’m just pointing out a fact, and btw uour the one who started with the personal attacks towards me so don’t play victim

Another one is the fish on the first dew panels of chapter 1, the design and lineart is clearly ai generated, the close up of the seagull also has illogical lines, do you see what I’m saying?

Idk if those could be considered stylistic choices or not. But I did take a closer look at some of the backgrounds and I actually did find some odd things. Obviously not enough to say for sure whether AI was used, but they are really unusual mistakes for an artist to make.

The seagull under the sun:
https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/the_wind_spell/uu/to_chapter-1/pg-21/

The seagull next to the textbox:
https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/the_wind_spell/uu/to_chapter-1/pg-23/

The candles that blend into the wall:
https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/the_wind_spell/uu/to_chapter-1.5/pg-2/

Yes!! Please if you can link the fish as well in the first couple panels of chapter 1, those are undoubtedly AI patterns/“mistakes” this artist is 100% using AI I don’t doubt it (this is not to knock them, JUST pointing it out for those who don’t want to read AI stuff) another thing that was interesting was towards the end of chapter 1, when the mc is clasping her hands together it is clearly AI, especially when contrasted to the mermaids hands in the panel she first shows up in, clear indicator to me

This fish close up?
https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/the_wind_spell/uu/to_chapter-1/pg-27/

But if you look at all the other panels after that, that has fishes you can tell theyre drawn in the same way but varying levels of details according to distance n focus point. Thats just how they drw fish, putting emphasis on the eyes by hatching it.

Seagulls are using an outline brush so they create the shape without lifting off the pen. The 2nd seagull you said has a stroke thats not uniform likely from pen jitter or their pen has a hard time registering super light pressure and extreme angles.

The candles that blend into walls. You gotta try seeing it from their perspective. The background was probably started as just painting(color blocking, so never made tiny details, a candle could be drawn as just a nonchalant 1stroke and etc.) Before it was outlined with a thin with high max size, you can tell cus theyre doing the same thing to all the walls, hands, clouds, waves.

Hands to me seem consistent when you see that they use an outline brush to wing the fingers and move on. The only time they draw the hands and not block it out is often close ups or the mermaid(maybe due to the claws).

https://docs.krita.org/en/tutorials/krita-brush-tips/outline.html
This is an example of an outline brush
Which is likely being used on the seagulls, fish, nets, hair, highlights, waves, clouds and sea reflection.
They seem to have the black part in different thickness as well as a color version.

https://help.clip-studio.com/en-us/manual_en/390_filters/390_filters.htm
This is the filters and effects.(background, shadows)

And i dont need to show texture brushes for the foam, rocks and alot of other things

Could you explain the candle one a bit more? The others I can understand, but the candle essentially just becoming part of the wall is odd to me.

Yes that’s the one! The squares in the middle are clearly not drawn by hand and the other fish later on have different shapes/patterns

Yeah I assumed they were using the outline brush which is why some of the lineart is inconsistent!

Inconsistent as in- if they just use that brush and other brushes in combination the style would be consistent, but it’s inconsistent because of the AI interfering/getting confused

Hopefully this works lol but this panel shows the style inconsistencies I’m talking about+illogical line art

https://iweb_3.mangapicgallery.com/r/newpiclink/the_wind_spell/3/88d353fb7d281d11f860ff0ef811c0c2.webp


This is very clearly AI especially if you do the mental excercise of tracing back the lineart and seeing if it just makes sense or has any rhythm to it

I’m talking about the hand specifically, the elongated thumb, the weird hesitation in the lineart, the difference in style, the point where the line art ”fizzles” out into the fish, this, to me, is clearly AI

Ok so theres 2 candles there, im assuming you are confused on the right one.

So the first layer of color is actually the pale gray and not the shadow color, you can tell from the other candle and the candle we are talking about now they have the same color which means they never painted any color in the candle. Like if other artists would draw a white brush, they chose to instead shape the look of candles using the shadows which likely suggests that the candle was added later.

You can see this from looking at the center, on the bottom right of the window theres a shadow with a hole in it that shows what was painted below the shadow and it was the same color as the other walls and candle. So it wasnt that the candle was blending into the wall. It was never colored or drawn in from the start. when they added the shadows they then show the candle by using negative space.(outlining the shadow but avoiding the shape of a candle. However the stand of the candles was actually drawn in since it is way darker than the wall. After drawing the shadows outline. They draw over the candle stand on the left as well as the 2 small stand like object beside the cross.

So why didnt they just use a diff color for the candle? Why use the wall? Probably they didnt want to bring attention to it. The only point with contrast is the window and light
Going from the people to the other side. The people, altar, and window is the focus because those are the things that make it visually recognisable as a place of worship even from afar. You can squint and tell.

Another reason why the artist didnt use a diff color for the candle is consistency. They are limiting their color palette or jusf lazy to keep adjusting values, but you can see this by the chairs colors being the same as the candle stand and other things. It seems they reuse the same value for multiple objects in the scene like the people being given variation by only using 3 values. The man scarf to the women headcover to the pastor beard. Frankly i find it genius.

The only thing i cant read is the scribble beside fhe altar emblem. To me it could be a lock or butterfly but only the artist would know.

I forgot to write that the light was also directing your sight to the dark totem? Gylyph? Rune?

Dk whats its called but its shown in detail on the next panel.
I doubt AI can make these intentional choices in composition to cohesively bring the reader to the next panel and progress the story.

That's really interesting. Thanks for explaining!

Wouldnt this be a sign that it isnt AI tho? If the fish shape and pattern all look the same either they copy pasted, has a 3d model, or used AI. Pretty sure AI can make the same looking fish multiple times in many diff angles. The fishes shown in the comic has diff details according to size being shown in the panel but the color, use of blobby highlights and how they draw scales is all the same style.

if u look at all the hands in this comic. All of them have problems defining where the joints are and the length between supposed joints. Seems like the artist is just not as comfortable with hands.

When you say lineart fizzling into the fish, you talking about the thumb? If you zoom in super closely, they actually draw a slight round line, but never connected the nail so when it was colored, They probably made a mistake coloring over the nail.
However, it could also be a result of csp auto color.

Also ripples are mix of filters and paint over on top. Fish looked fine.

Also people here seem to have questionable morals.

Hardworking artist having their work *actually stolen* by being put on here: All good.

but AI art : "it saddens me that someone is using AI that is made from *stealing* the brush strokes of other artists to create a story when they could hire an artist or learn the craft themselves."

Do you see how ridiculous this is?

"Guys please don’t read/support this creator as they are using AI"

In the first place, being here doesnt support artists in any way. Hell did you see the drama between artists trying to sue this place and having mental health problems due to this. Some artists even stopped their comics because it is put on here.

You are acting like those people who is against abortion but support the very system that makes kids life hard.

Acting like you are on the artists side while being here taking advantage of them?

Im already here reading this, so the least i can do is not put down the artist.

I think my reply was deleted, but I’ll summarize what I said lol

-I subscribe to every artisrs patreon whose comic I read
-I never made a moral argument or stance
-your not entitled to an explanation
-and I only use this website to find new comics which I transition to the actually artists comic page after, the only comics I have not done that with are one piece lmao

Theres rlly no way for me to prove that so I’m just gonna say it and you do wtv you feel is good with that information

And also never use abortion as an example or even the same thing for people pirating comics and real life women fucking dying because of lack of access, have some shame. The reasons you gave for the panels not being are not convincing, are illogical, and take big leaps to make a point, so they are not convincing arguments. I did not make a moral argument, I simply presented a fact, and for you to assume that I’m actively fucking over artisrs and that im evil because I’m on the website without any context is clearly a side effect of you being on the internet too much.

So its okay for you to accuse someone of AI and then give reason such as "oh yeah this panel and that panel" "just looks weird" but when i give reasons with details and hypothesis, its illogical and take big leaps to make a point. If only you put that much effort into study and research before accusing the artist of AI you couldve convinced people. But all you do is say "100%" "clearly" "obvious" "the truth" "a fact" "..." prove it then.

Oh and "i can practically see the algebra behind the drawings" then it should be easy for you to explain but nah youre using the "just trust me bro"

Yes because the panels such as the fish, the candles, the hand I linked, are clear examples of AI. If I showed you the studio ghibli ai artwork theres not much I can say to prove to you it’s AI other than the fact that logically, a lot of the decisions being made, don’t make sense. You did not provide enough reasoning explaining why the fingers line art fizzled, you even said look closer it connects, do you see how that’s not proof it’s NOT ai? The proof that it is AI is that the line is visually nonesense, especially when compared to the other hands in the comic, especially the one where the mermaid was first introduced (which clearly had hand drawn hands) to me that’s a telltale sign of AI, if you don’t recognize that then I really have no way else to explain it. Like I told someone else, theres no way for me to 100% prove this persons using AI because rhat would require I have access to their drawing files and live recordings which would literally be impossible for me to do, the only thing I have is the incredibly obvious times where they do use AI and the artist didnt go back and refine it enough, like the hand, the patterns of the fish, the candles, I’m honestly even throwing in the line quality of the sky sometimes. The reason I pointed this out was because I wanted to let the people who were going to go and support the artists actual comic (which is what I was gonna do) just giving them a heads up that if AI is something that bothers you maybe think twice about consuming AI, because let’s be fucking real, pirating is not what is gonna put artists out of jobs, it’s AI, so touching back on your moral argument, even that falls apart pretty quickly. I think pushing back on my claim is important as takijg the word of a stranger online would be stupid, but thr way you and others have conducted yourselves is kinda crazy and throwing personal attacks my way is not the way to do it. I’m glad that you brought up counter arguments as that is important, but I’m pointing out how that’s not sufficient to explain where the logic would be for the artist to pick up the pen, put the pen down, and somehow among the long pen stroke that are clearly happening in other parts of the comic somehow stop in this one instance, and do a weird fizzle out effect that doesn’t make sense, regardless of whatever brush, style, layer mode, or anything else possible. Especially when there are multiple instances of this.

i get a gut feeling that he will end up with Yahwi