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I get what you're saying but rape is not a form of revenge
Even if the victim is someone who has done bad stuff to you or even worst, you should NOT rape someone as revenge cause you'd end up no better.

i read the novel as well and completely agree w you. ppl are so overly woke. this is meant to be a nuanced story with a morally complex and ambiguous narrative. its not about "who ends up being the better person"- we're far past that.

yeah, and now they’re entangled, and the cycle keeps on. It’s a personal choice I think. In my opinion, it’s the worst to keep getting entangled with the person who did all that to you (I’m referring to top being raped) - just seeing the face of the person would contort my soul, and living the rest of your days seeing the person and feeling like that would be the worst. If revenge must be had, did top really have to keep sleeping with him? If I were in his shoes, that would be too disgusting for me. So my interpretation is that, top is also pretty obsessed with bottom. Won’t argue that bottom deserved the karma. But also I’m not a proponent of the route top chose to traverse.

I don’t like that top had to turn into the kind of person he is now because of bottom, and I may disagree with his choice and method, but it must have been really really difficult to go through what he did - in that state, where you endure what cannot be endured, I can understand why the hatred might have consumed him and driven him to this path, and in retrospect, I cannot blame him. I just find it sad in the end that he had to resort to this because of the suffering inflicted on him. Now he’s done what shouldn’t have been done - crossed the line to monstrosity as bottom had.

I haven't read it but I've seen so many spoilers and I completely agree with you, it's actually beyond me how so many people sympathise with jiwook... Juyeon was just a kid :(

As a person who went through something similar and a littlebit more, I literally would do the same, I wouldn’t be able to have sex just for revenge with the rapist, but I would make him suffer. I do have a tiny bad feeling at the moment for Jiwook, but because on the fact, how a person can break and lose himself, not actually for him, but for that feeling you died inside and you barely can see or feel things right, you fear every sound and touch, and you afraid from the tomorrow what will come, not knowing what you’d prefer more, living or never waking up again.

What is nuanced and morally complex about a revenge porn story? Let's not just glaze everything and anything now

its ok to admit you have no literacy skills and a capacity to view struggles through different perspectives

Buddy even a 13 years old can write a rape victim getting revenge by rapping the rapist plot let's not kid ourselves
I think you have the mental capacity of a 13 years old to think this is nuanced morally complex actually

u cant even spell raping right, who are you to tell me i have the mental capacity of a 13 yro youre reducing the story to its premise instead of engaging with how its written- like yea revenge rape plot by itself isnt morally complex this story is different because it deliberately refuses to give the audience a clean moral answer. it explores trauma, justice, revenge, guilt, empathy, and the cycle of violence without presenting anyone as purely "right or wrong" and thats exactly what makes it nuanced and morally ambiguous and complex and the fact that youre dismissing that says more about YOUR mental capacity rather than mine.

And you are valid, dont let mfs try to virtue sign over you.

The cycle ends with them in this case tho and he didnt cross the same line. Raping an innocent kid and raping your rapist is not remotely the same. A reaction is not the same as an action.

You all on sum Batman logic for keeping Coringa alive lol.

Yeah I spelled it wrong cause English is my 3rd language but what do I expected from a typical American when your country only have 20% of mfk who speaks another language and only 79% literacy rate lmao. I don't need the story to give the me a clean moral answer buddy, but maybe you needed it cause you're STUPID af. Every 2rd rated action Hollywood movies already explored the cycle of vengeance and violence and the audience already got tired of how repetitive it is.
Just admit you have an underdeveloped brain and that's why you're easily impressed with anything

I totally understand what you are trying to say. In this case the top was beyond traumatized. He was 13 or 14 years when he had to go through all that. That destroyed him physically and mentally. He is person who went through psychologycal trauma. While it's true he shouldn't have to dirty his own hand. But he is not normal either. The bottom destroyed his innocence.

Oh my. Are you okay now?

its funny that youre bringing up literacy rates while completely missing the point of what i wrote literacy isnt "how many languages you speak" or "how well you spell" its the ability to understand and analyze what youve read. ur arguing against a point i never made and why r you assuming shit about me as if u fucking know me, me and my family are immigrants and english is not my first language either. must js be a skill issue on your end

mind you- i NEVER said reverse thinking invented revenge stories or that everyone has to agree with a characters actions. my point is that the story is morally nuanced because it DOESNT GIVE EITHER CHARACTER a CLEAR moral high ground. both characters make choices that are understandable while also being ethically questionable. THATS what moral ambiguity is. u can think the story is repetitive or poorly executed or wtv u want but saying the story CANT be morally complex because its premise is "rape victim gets revenge" isnt a proper criticism of the actual narrative and shows your inability to comprehend complicated perspectives

If you never meant it to be how well I spelled then why'd you grammar nazi me in the first place? Sounds like you're just a hypocrite tbh, and I wasn't making that as a literacy point either, I was showing stats that a typical American don't speak another language and also can't read that's why you're taking a jab at another person for making a grammatical error, which you're also arguing against a point I never made.
Mfk really just said "complicated perspectives", just a baboon saying anything. Have the top even done anything worth the word "complicated" that is not torturing the bot? the bot can't even have a reflective moment cause he's forgotten the past while the top having an inch of hesitation for doing revenge which even a moron would know that they should put that in to make him not comically evil, gets called "complicated". Ask a 13 years old to write Reverse Thinking and they'd write it the same way.
Wait I forgot that any story that doesn't give you a clean moral answer is deep to you cause you're that stupid, my bad g (・ω・)

Immigrant or not you haven't denied that you're living in the US, and you even have the audacity to get annoyed when someone told you to buy raw for 5$. I don't give a shit if people from 3rd world is reading illegally cause their currency is weak while you have the privilege of high currency and still plays the beggar without 5$. You're either a real kid or just a pathetic loser, have your parents told you to get a job yet? Who am I kidding, they probably wouldn't wanna hire someone who's dumb enough to think reverse thinking is deep ╮(￣▽￣)╭

Yeah. I'm okay now, that was back then when I was a minor. A lot of year passed.

I am just a stranger. Have no right to pity you. But I must say u are strong and I urge you to keep being strong. I apologise in advance if anything I said made u uncomfortable.

Everything is okay I promise! And Thank you very much!

Thanks. Yeah, that's why I can't blame him either. That kind of anguish is not something so easily endured, and the person themselves alone have the right to act on how to alleviate them — at times, some damage can be so irreversible, some pain all-consuming, that ethics is not really more important than the person's suffering. The ideal outcome can be argued in retrospect, but in practice it's really up to the individual, it's case by case. Anyway, just wanted to share my feelings and thoughts as well, since this is a compelling thread. Thank you for being respectful. I wasn't sure I could convey my meaning across well

you completely missed the nuances of my comment. but thank you for your reply.

first off, i never said raping an innocent person is the same as raping in retribution — what i meant is violence and cruelty is continuing here. don't oversimplify for your own convenience.

I don't blame top for his personal choice, because it's arguably easier to discuss the ethics of the outcome in retrospect, but in practice it's ultimately up to the individual who is experiencing the full spectrum of the suffering to decide what to do, and only they know what they are willing and NOT willing to do/or change into.

the cycle does not end with bottom being the violator, the top is a now too - which i can understand to an extent, I have mentioned in my initial comment, and you are right that it ends with the top. what i was referring to the cycle ending is that top, in theory, didn't have to be a rapist as well. I also explained why, personally, I find the method of sleeping with the rapist repulsive (as in i could not imagine doing that myself just for retribution) but i'm not saying that is not the top's choice.

what top went through is horrible and that anguish is really unfathomable. i could understand why he went that route.

it would be nice if he didn't have to though, theoretically. and his choice of retribution is also something i wish he didn't have to resort to.

i guess for me it's a matter of what your soul is willing to bear or transform into.

I hate the bottom, just to be clear. he's a villain without question.

The top is more at a crossroad and that's probably why I'm talking more about him. Would everyone have done the same as him, in his place? which is a question that doesn't mean you judge the top for his actions.

one can understand why someone may choose their path, while also choosing differently for their own.

I mean now top is a criminal as well. that you cannot argue

Thank you very much, and don’t worry, everything is fine, you did nothing wrong! <3

I understand. U are totally valid in your opinion.

god talking to u is like talking to a fucking wall

Not dumb enough to think torture porn filled with shock values is deep like you sorry

From where yall reading the novel? Can u share the link or webside name? I wanna read it so badly