Well it does seem like TJ is the endgame. But my problem is how unrealistic the story and their relationship feel. The author basically downplayed all their problems and trauma and turned their relationship into “the gang is the problem, once TJ leaves, everything will work out” and “love conquers all” kind of cringe narrative. But love has never been enough to make a relationship work.
No matter how I look at it, a 20 year toxic relationship could never suddenly become healthy. Toxic relationships don’t just get better. In real life, when a relationship is toxic for that long, it usually gets worse over time until it finally ends. There’s no magical saving a relationship that’s been unhealthy for 20 years. It’s not just two or three years. And now we’re supposed to believe it will simply work out and turn healthy just because TJ left the gang???
From a narrative standpoint, if TJ and Ian were meant to be endgame from the start, then the author did a horrible job executing their story and development. I’ve never seen an endgame couple whose interactions in the present timeline are 90% sex chapters. Then they didn’t interact for an entire season (Season 2) because the author was giving Jo and Ian space to develop.
Even if I wanted TJ and Ian to be endgame, I can’t even be happy about it because of how badly their relationship was handled throughout the story. Their interactions were limited to smut and flashbacks. And the worst part is that the potential of their story was wasted by adding a third main character who ended up being irrelevant. If they were always meant to be endgame, the story should have been TJ and Ian’s story only from the beginning.
Another problem with this kind of ending is how the author clearly romanticized and eroticized Ian’s trauma. She seemed to lack empathy for him while constantly babying TJ. If TJ is the endgame, I really wish she had made him suffer so I could actually feel sorry for him and accept the ending. But no, he was selfish, hypocritical, and manipulative. He was still willing to drag Ian back into the gang.
People always bring up TJ saving Ian from drug addiction. Yes, he was a good friend to Ian before they joined the gang. But he changed so much after they joined. The moment he said, “Now you’re mine” you could see the shift. He stopped caring about Ian’s mental health and constantly looked down on him for leaving the gang and not being able to endure it, as if Ian didn’t become suicidal because of it, and as if he wasn’t constantly harassed for being openly gay.
I just can’t accept TJ having Ian so easily just because he finally asked for it. He wasted so much time and lacked empathy for years. And now they’ll end up together because Ian is too mentally damaged and spineless. I hate how TJ never truly suffered or experienced truly losing Ian, because Ian will always accept him if he just chases him. It was easy for him to leave the gang, and now it’s easy for him to get Ian back, and he will even avoid jail basically, he got away with everything bad he has done, and never faced any consequences.
It feels so unrealistic that someone could waste 20 years being selfish and a coward and still end up so lucky, finding the person he loves still waiting for him and accepting him after all that time.
I also think the message of the story is depressing. It feels like the author kept punishing Ian for daring to leave TJ and try to build a life with civilians away from him. Ian formed a friendship with Toby, and she lost her baby because of her involvement with him. He tried to have a relationship with Jo, and Jo almost lost his humanity trying to save him. It’s like any relationship Ian tries to build outside the gang only brings guilt, fear and misfortune.
The message seems to be that he should never try to be around “normal” people because of his past. The only friend, family, and lover he’s allowed to have is TJ, someone just as tainted as he is. It feels like the story punishes him for being hopeful and trying something new, as if it’s telling him that TJ was always the only option, and that he should have just endured TJ’s greed and selfishness for longer until TJ finally decided to give him what he wanted.
wow...this is going t o pay out if DY choose Tian end game..like you just reading my mind ...but i believes she is more capable than that tho...lets just have some faith in her
Tian EG was never make sense from the beginning.. they might in the past i never denied the loved they has for eachother when they were young. Ian has change TJ knew this too that why he so desperate but Ian still cant be with jo right now clearly he still fears to hurt people he care..my poor baby
Thank you for your insight (๑•ㅂ•)و✧
If that ends up to be the final outcome, I agree. As you mentioned, from a narrative standpoint it doesn’t make much sense to me either due to how their supposed ‘development’ was handled.
We got a lot of flashbacks doing the work/setting the scene in that regard, but not much progress in the present time iirc (or, dare I to say, most present time interactions outside of the smut seemed mostly negative from the perspective of them being EG). It just seems very anticlimactic.
I truly hope that it doesn’t boil down to Ian seemingly bringing bad fortune to anyone outside of his unhealthy past environment, therefore him sticking to that instead, despite his whole journey that we followed up until now. Truly hope that is not the case
Totally second that! I agree with everything you said, and as I mentioned under a different comment, so...what's then a message of this story, what was it supposed to tell? that you cannot escape your past? Where is a self-respect and development for Ian? At the beginning it had a huge potential, but the further the worst, if that's the message it could have be finished in like 2 seasons in maximum.
And yeah, looks like both fandoms are mostly blinded by hot characters and smut, as they were established right from the beginning, and 'endgame' is all that matters, but let's be honest, the whole point is that there is no sense and logic at this point, there was no proper execution, no dialogue to drive the consistent plot, barely any reflection on their actions and it's already 90+ chapters! It could have been really amazing, no matter with who, but Doyak seems to forget that characters are not just their looks...the best option probably at this point would be for Ian just to drive away and heal his traumas, because neither of 'endgame' options look realistically achievable now...
If TJ was supposed to be the endgame, I would expect more redemption, this guy made Ian's life a damn hell, for 20 years, seriously, no turning point for so many chapters? Ian should also deal with his traumas, because there is no way for a real relationship without that. Just because they have a 'chemistry' doesn't mean they are ment to be, it's just so forced at this point...
And if Jo was supposed to be the endgame,
I would expect more development and driving from the past in Ian, Jo should be his anchor to the stability for him...
But instead we still have back and forward form one to another, without any development, just more smut, like really, that's all that matters?
Like you said, main tough topics are just brushed off and smut pointed on the foreground. Half of the story seems irrational, constant back and forward, no exact character development, no redemption, no actual growing... it could have been really a masterpiece, but plot and storytelling is just soo poor that from my perspective it's just one of many others series at this point, artstyle cannot save it unfortunately...
And that is why I am highly disappointed by the ending. I don't care if Jo and Ian are the end game, I care about their mental health and stability and independence.
The story is a nothing burger with gorgeous style and cool MC (Ian) with whom we empathize.
I wish the author monolgued Jo as he gave up on Ian because his humanity, mental stability and future is more important than a passionate love.
Passionate and destructive love is so romanticized when it is just lust and mental illness dressed up as genuine and true love and soulmate bullshit.
And i wish Ian has had an independent life far from tj.
You're right. Those tj stans calling the relationship of tj and ian love are mentally ill or have unaddressed trauma
Tjian has got to be one of the most disgusting endgames in history. The only reason they were able to work things out is because Ian is still ignorant of all the fucked up things TJ did behind his back. They’re basically living in a bubble that could burst at any moment. The author never addressed the past for a reason.
Poor Ian he’s nothing but a fool. He’s still in love with that version of TJ who saved him from his drug addiction when they were 18. He doesn’t know that TJ is the same guy who made him deliver drugs after he left the gang, because he wanted him to relapse. TJ deliberately tried to temp Ian to take drugs again so he would rely on him again and play the savior.
Ian doesn’t know that it was TJ who sent him to jail and put him in massive debt, making it nearly impossible for him to find a clean job. That way, Ian would have no choice but to crawl back to TJ and the gang to make money. If Ian had known, he wouldn’t have worked his ass off while TJ was in jail just to build a house for him, when TJ was the very person who did anything in his power to make it hard for Ian to make money through a clean job.
Ian also doesn’t know that TJ lied about his reasons for joining the gang, and that it was never Ian’s fault that TJ killed Mr Jang. Killing Mr Jang was a mission given by Jason so TJ could join the gang, saving Ian was just a pure coincidence.
He doesn’t know about TJ’s inferiority complex toward David Kim. TJ wanted power and money to own Ian, because David Kim was a man who had once “owned” Ian.
And don’t say TJ joined the gang to protect Ian, that makes no sense. How is putting Ian, who is openly gay, into an environment full of rapists and homophobes considered protection??? Ever since Ian joined the gang, his life became hell. He was constantly in survival mode, nearly killed and raped multiple times, and TJ was nowhere to protect him. Thankfully, Ian knew how to fight and defend himself, but eventually he became suicidal and couldn’t take it anymore, so he decided to leave.
If TJ truly wanted to protect Ian, he would have joined the gang alone, not dragged Ian into it and prevented him from leaving and ruined his chances at a decent life. But TJ never cared about Ian’s safety or mental health. He watched Ian suffer, begging on his knees to be freed, yet showed no empathy. Instead, he plotted how to pull him back in.
TJ is the type of person who only acted nice to gain something in return, because when they were teenagers, Ian wasn’t “his” But the moment they slept together, TJ realized that Ian is "his" now, as he said “Now you’re mine” From that point on, TJ stopped caring about Ian because he got what he wanted, because he believes Ian wouldn’t be able to leave, since he can chain him through guilt and manipulation.
Ian blames himself for TJ joining the gang. He can’t move on as long as TJ is still in it, knowing TJ could die at any moment. He believes he ruined him, so he feels responsible for saving him. He wants TJ to live a normal life. He already felt too guilty for leaving the gang because he believes that he betrayed TJ who was patient and stayed by his side during his drug addiction days. But he doesn’t know that TJ joined the gang willingly just to control him.
To this day, Ian believes Jason was behind the cruel treatment he received after leaving the gang, when in reality it was TJ. The only things Ian knows about are the scar and the leg injury, things that are easier to forgive.
I don’t believe Ian and TJ could work out if Ian found out the truth. It would destroy the idealized image Ian has of TJ, the caring, patient person who saved him from addiction. That’s the version of TJ Ian fell in love with.
When TJ said “I’m scared of you, Youngwoo” it only reinforced Ian’s belief that TJ is his victim. That’s why Ian chose to leave, to heal himself and become a better man for TJ. But in reality, TJ should have been the one to confess everything, apologize, and leave to redeem himself.
Instead, TJ used Ian’s guilt again and made him feel like he’s the problem.
Too bad Ian is so ignorant and a fool, It’s too late for him to realize what kind of man TJ is, and that he should move on without ever caring about how TJ feels, because TJ never felt the same way about him. TJ has always only behaved selfishly and to gain something, he never genuinely cared for Ian the way Ian believes.
me when im bitter cuz my mid nonexistent endgame did not happen
Be careful. They will gang up on you with dumbass replies.
You're right:)
the fact that tj never once said sorry to ian pisses me off. I feel so bad for ian, he deserves to be free from all the guilt that tj had caused him
Have you tried maybe thinking that it’s not because of the endgame? Like how do you genuinely defend an endgame where Ian is still oblivious of the abuse he went through for 2 decades and tj not saying he was sorry once? That’s the love you’re rooting for? A love where they never had a meaningful conversation, not even once. That’s some interesting shit. Maybe if the author gave us some redemption arc and growth of tj as a character, we might buy it but it’s all empty and hollow. The way they ended up together, even Joians would hate for Ian and Jo to end up that way, so yall can have it.
i ain't reading all of that babe lmfao