anyone knows where i can read the novel of this and also what chapter the manhwa ended for the novel?
Me too!
I’m not sure if it’s the eng translation buut I wish authors actually read their dialogues out loud. There is no way in hell a guy is speaking that LONG and that MANY without it realistically looking awkward as fuck. Also their dialogues are so corny I cannot stomach it.
It really needs to go
The fact that someone disagreed with this- yall fetishize r@p3 so much it’s insane…
Personally I could tolerate until the part Cain had to watch mc get raped by that demon omg
How can you tolerate rape in any form what I’m crying users on this app are genuine chuds
Endure it, and in no way does that mean condoning it. Unfortunately 99% of BL especially East Asian ones are filled with SA, so many readers just endure it and go on from there.
“99%” no it’s 99% of BL you’ve read willingly. You’re so accustomed to it you think most BLS have it which isn’t true! Maybe stop condoning, accustoming, and accepting rape stories
Again, not condoning, I just continue to read it on this illegal site. It is true that many authors fetishize rape, not 99% but many BLs do.
No you are condoning it because you continue to read it yikes…
Wild take, considering your own reading list. Guess ‘condoning’ only applies when it’s not you.
Glad you said this, no longer hiding the performative purity. By this logic you are a rape apologist as you read Hatsukoi Big Honey, and other stories w SA.
Well luckily I’m not the one claiming to go “condone “ rape. I’m not making myself serm better than others, which is what you’re doing just calling u out hon sorry u got mad :(
Claiming to go condone? Er
Yes! (๑•ㅂ•)و✧
I think you mean people who clam to be morally superior. Which I haven’t. I read dark stuff and I never hid that. But to say reading stories with SA = condoning or supporting it is false.
Girl, Clara, you say you’re not trying to seem better than others, but here you put disagreement as ‘fetishizing rape.’ Moral policing and then saying you aren’t trying to be better, the performance is wild
Clearly you’re too dense to understand. Yes I read stuff with rape in it, but do I tolerate it like you said? Absolutely not. I never claimed to not read stuff with rape and if I did I indirectly said it / didn’t intend it that way. You on the other hand said you can tolerate it to an extent — what extent like ooh honey…
Girl you said condone it. Condone and tolerate is not the same, get educated
Just following your logic, why’re you mad? reading w rape in it = condoning rape
You can’t be complaining about rape fetish and then read it.
Condone, tolerate, they’re relatively the same. In general, th fact that you can tolerate rape to any extent is outrageous. My logic is that rape is bad, but I don’t find pleasure in it. Yes I read things with rape in it? Thanks for checking out my profile hope you found some good stuff btw ;) And yes I can complain about people fetishizing rape cuz wdym u actually like this stuff oop- Reading doesn’t equal liking yikes
Uneducated and mad, worst combo…
Mind you, you reading it and finishing it is the same as tolerating it. Not your first rodeo.
I’m genuinely trying to understand how continuing to read something without tolerating it works. Is it teleportation?
If you think I can genuinely read rape chapters without skipping over them ur insane how am I uneducated ur the one saying u can tolerate rape ;-; It’s not all about smut and sex for me so unlike some ppl I skip past chapters / scenes
You literally read the gintama one shot dj with full on SA, it’s okay girl, I read it too.
Yes I did you can also read stories for things other than The smut btw
Help that’s not even SA too I’m crine son
Oh you one of those…it’s not SA cause they together bs
You read it for smut, it’s okay. Look at you giving yourself a moral pass but smacking me with the moral police ticket
Like it’s okay if you read a stoy with SA, you tolerate it, not the rape itself but that there IS SA, and then move on to next chapter. You’re the one saying reading = condoning I never dug a grave for myself, you did.
I’m simply just following your logic: reading it means you condone it.
You read Hatsukoi Big Honey, it means you condone it.
Now you’re a rape apologist.
You can’t give yourself a pass by claiming you skipped the rape chapters, you didn’t even consider I could have skipped it too, you don’t get the pass
Oops sorry OP for the long argument cause of a dumb rock. I’ll end it
Yes, I think in general it's a hard time for BL... Don't get me wrong, I'm reading BL for like 20 years, I like angst in series, but angst is not always only SA. And as I don't have a problem per se with rape topic in series, it's an important piece, but it needs to be correctly addressed and executed. What I find wrong in BL is sexualization and romantization of rape by authors without proper redemption, or just shoving under the rug the topic later... and as in series I can accept some trops which I would never irl, but that extreme smut rape in series is sometimes just disgusting and later some readers defend for life those rapist because they are hot and smut is hot...I'm like...dude, it doesn't make this guy less of the rapist, I get that people have kinks, but rape per definition is nothing pleasant or sexual
Omg, yes, I mean, of course we have SA in this series, but that whole scene of Joon being raped by Demon and Cain watching... that was so damn unnecessary, that scene just destroyed it for me, especially when it was so late in the story
I dropped it after that lmao. It was obvious fetish. Like I have my share of fantasies that can be left unsaid, but I don’t like it when it happens in stories that are meant to have plot.
I don’t think every BL has it, I was exaggerating a bit but there’s a reason it has a bad rep. Some people just brush off the subtle SA where it’s like touches, but no penetration. There’s this one story called Within the stars or something, and the bottom got gang raped as ordered to by the grandfather for baby making or something, the ML came too late, but he fought them off I guess. They quickly kissed and etc, no whatsoever trauma really….so Yeahh poorly executed. Honestly rape most of the time adds nothing to the plot besides for poor writing reasons (cliche love rival of ML sa’ing MC, etc). There’s this story called aesthetics of unpleasantness I think, it only implied the rape and it was well done. It wasn’t obviously fetishized or anything.
When I think of extreme rape, I think of Non Zero Sum, No Reason, Reverse Thinking and many other gross extreme ones. The amount of rape scenes graphically shown and the bottoms being represented as enjoying it, tells you a lot. It shows the fetish.
Same, you're telling a story, so focus on that, unnecessary SA is just meh... seriously... at least Joon was not fully conscious there, but the graphic on that scene was too much, and like you said, just for fetish! I understand that there are series focused on that, but at that point in Dear Door we were already deep in the story, and it was just too much
Exactly, rape is per se evil, and this is how it should be executed. Unfortunately is series it's often used as a cheap excuse to add some smut, and there is nothing worse tham sexualized rape, without even proper execution... and yes, the ones you mentioned are purely disgusting, and the worst part is that some readers don't see anything bad in that... seriously, some are so brainwashed that cannot distinguish SA from non-SA anymore! No wonder people who suffered because of SA messaged me many times after seeing my comments, thanking me that finally someone can see anything wrong here, because they felt bad that brainwashed readers said things like 'this is not SA when he cums' under some series, like dude, what about biological response, it's not a damn CONSENT!! You can have some rape kink, but call it as it should be called, but they are defending rapist because it was hot and enjoyable... insane, rape is rape damn it sorry for venting, but I'm just sick and tired of rape sexualization, used only for smut, and all these readers cheering up to that
Like it’s obvious when author is fetishizing it lol. This isn’t a story I would ever re read, I haven’t even picked it back up. Just reading through comments about what I didn’t read lol like apparently Sid the long white braid hair dude got with Megatron (if I spelled it wrong…).
Definitely not worth rereading, I reread gem stories focused on plot, here logic left teh building long time ago
I asked why before and people just say it’s an unfortunate trend since those get popular more. Shock factor. Oh my god I almost forgot to mention some of the worst ones, A Bad Life (I think is the title), another one is old but called Juuyoku Porno (short, disgusting).
It’s one thing to know it’s fiction and read on/tolerating even after seeing it, it’s a whole different thing to consume fiction while glorifying the content. I sometimes read on because I want to finish it, the art is very good, etc. I never read on and think: oh wow that rape was hot.
I was very disappointed when I saw rape and especially gang rape in Swallow You Whole.
That’s wild. Not SA cause he came is fucking wild.
Some victims can’t help the body’s natural response… their heart and mind hates it.
For me, even though I never have (virgin ), the thought of doing a consensual non consent role play would satisfy me. But I would never glorify rape or imagine it being done to others, just me, all role played out, nothing real. I would never want to be raped for real. I would be traumatized if it was real.
It’s fine, you’re allowed to vent. I think what’s even more disturbing is those same rapist MLs have big worshipping fans in fandoms, they thirst over these MLs like the guys will like them. I don’t get it.
Seriously, surprise, we have more and more such series because people are reading it and hyping SA series, 'unfortunate trend', how anyone can call glorifying rape as a trend
Bad life is one of these damn disgusting ones, and really I have no idea what's in those authors mind!!
And exactly this is what I'm talking about, reading angst series with rape, and taking this action as it should be, so as something damn disgusting is a totally different thing from glorifying rape and seeing it as smut! And here I think a lot of wrong are doing authors showing SA as something sexual, because it's damn not, and later no execution, no trauma, like...wtf?!
About Swallow You Whole...same, I really like this one, it was crazy, funny etc... but why authors need to push SA everywhere, without any consequences, it's like a standard 'plot twist' used by authors when they don't know what to do with the plot, but for me such one event can destroy the whole series
Regarding biological response, it's like when you need to sneeze, but you don't wnat to... you cannot stop it, it's going to happen whatever you want or not, same with ejaculation etc... but having to cum when you hate it and don't want it... terrible, how anyone can say that someone enjoys that
Of course, role playing is a totally different thing, you consent to that, this is what you wnat, like any other BDSM etc, but this is a matter of CONSENT, not a matter is someone cums or not, and society is terrifying me when they cannot understand such a basic facts
And in general, rape is nothing sexual to begin with, this is a brutal non-con act, and the fact that it's sexualized in series and perceived by readers as something hot is just wrong and disgusting!
Don't get me wrong, I like series like Passion, but I know that Ilay is a damn rapist black flag asshole, what he did cannot be forgotten! I like the redemption part and his character development in the novel, but I would never, never neglect what he did, no matter how of a green flag he becomes later in the series, he's a rapist! And the fact that people can so easily 'forgive' those characters just because they are hot, and say that 'it's not a rape when he's so sexy' is damn disturbing
I wholeheartedly agree. If there's gun violence, magic violence, etc., that I can handle. But if rape, suicide, and anything that negatively affects the characters or reader, then I can't deal with it. There are other plot devices and tropes that can be used to push a storyline forward rather than shit that hits someone in the solar plexus for no reason.
I have never read any of these series, but I totally agree with your end statement. I don't care how hot the character is written to look or drawn - the asshole is forever a rapist in my eyes even if he turns to the "good guy side". It's why I can never finish a book if rape is written into it. Say it with me: Consent Is Sexy (=・ω・=)
And that's the huge problem to be honest, there are so many options to give angst in the story, to have a heavy dark series there doesn't have to be SA, but we can see how storytelling skills are lacking in many of this authors!! But people are brainwashed, they connect yaoi, psychological or mafia series only with SA! And later people are talking, this is yaoi, of course there is rape...like...wtf?!
This!! Consent!! Like, why there is that sick trend to add as many SA as possible to BL, this is so damn disgusting! And don't get me wrong, there are good series with this topic, but it needs to be correctly addressed, SA needs to be showed as it is, as something terrible, noncon assault, there needs to be trauma and redemption, this is the only way! But no, authors are using it literally like as add-in, to give some smut, and there is nothing worse than sexualized/romantized rape! No matter how well drawn is the series, how good-looking the character is, rape is a damn rape! I don't know what these authors, especially Asian ones, have in their minds, but it really needs to stop, rape is too tough topic to be brushed off just like that!
If you asked any real mafia member what their most brutal punishment would be, I bet it'd be torture. Like pulling teeth, stabbing someone, basically keeping the person alive and in pain for as long as possible. Not giving them some xyz drug and then rape them. Mafia members generally have spouses or enough money to throw at strippers or prostitutes.
Honestly, I think it's because LGBTQIA+ relationships are still taboo so they need to ground it in something that can happen with straight people as well, but they largely are forgetting that, yes, it happens all the time in real life, but we don't need to use it as a shocking plot device IN EVERYTHING WE WRITE. There is drug abuse, alcohol abuse, and physical abuse that can be used. Torture a character rather than be like "let's have this character be raped because he's been having too much of the good smut in the story". LIKE WHAT THE FUCK?!?!? If he came back from having the literal shit tortured out of him, it'd set up a seriously amazing revenge plot that could show he's healed enough from the trauma to either kill the character that tortured him or at least give back what happened to him ten fold.
Exactly this!! And as a person who is obsessed when it comes to psychology, how brain works, serial killers, 'what's wrong with their brains' etc, gangsters do not use rape as a punishment, this is so BL shitty thing that it's just disgusting at this point! Especially, to rape someone you need to be sexually aroused, and trust me, majority of gangsters are not homosexual this is so sick!
Omg, finally found someone who thinks the same exactly this! When there is angst we can be damn sure that author will use SA, but like you said, there is so many other possibilities to push the plot further! But now in somehow 70% of BL we have somewhere SA! This is insane! I know in Asia LGBTQIA+ is taboo, but making them suffer all the time is just disgusting!! And when someone wants to use SA, damn, adress it correctly!!
But also readers are so brainwashed!
Not sure if you read Jinx, but after last chapter people are defending JK and... blaming Dan...the victim!! This world is sick
And the ones who are keep it hidden just so they don't get their asses kicked or killed. They know what the price they'd have to pay if anyone found out. Now, I'm not saying there might not be some crime families becoming more open to homosexuals as the world is changing and homosexual men and women have their uses whenever they need someone to go into a brothel or whatever and not be sidetracked by breasts and what not so...that could or have them use their sexual prowess to get information out of someone as I could see that being a thing as well. But I don't see the mafia being "Oh, yes, let's rape someone to teach them a lesson while making them fall hopelessly in love with me"...
Honestly? I believe they are putting SA in because they are following an age-old trend that they think still works to this day. If you put in SA, you get the fans that want to see the characters they are choosing to read about in a humiliating situation, thus it keeps them reading the story. I recently read Minmotion Syndrome and as soon as I saw it heading down the SA route, I didn't even read it, I skipped over it because I wasn't about to read Jaein (the Omega character) get raped by a dude that still claimed to love him when the dude literally didn't. And Jaein had maybe a chapter to get over it before he was bouncing back like nothing ever happened. I wasn't aware I was reading a cereal cartoon where the character was impervious to anything horrible happening to him. Then again, the same thing happens in movies and comics as well sometimes. The only one that had a recovery arc is Bucky Barnes aka Winter Soldier and all the fans know he had to have been SA'd a lot!
Of course, in general, the number of homosexuals is still not so high comparing to heterosexuals, but as you said, world is getting more awaken in regards to sexuality. Not saying rape is not happening in mafia at all, there are those bastards who even rape these prostitutes etc... but even when I read and watched interviews with gangsters, rape is not one of torture methods, for them, as a sick mind, it's something to give THEM pleasure, that's the point, not to fuck someone to torture them
That's also my impression, mostly in Asian series, that people still see homosexuality as something degenerated and wrong, and this is why they put so much hate into it all the time!
Oh, yes, Minmotion Syndrome, I was reading on ongoing basis, and that was so damn frustrating and disgusting! Because OF COURSE, there has to be an ex who thinks he still has any kind of rights to Jaein, and of course there was 'nothing wrong' for that asshole to rape him... gosh, that was so horrible!! And don't get me wrong, I really like Park Jaein and Taeyoon dynamic, they are really cute together, but that whole part of his ex was disgusting! And the fact that till the end he was portrait as someone who was considered as a rival?! Not even once Jaein wanted to have anything to do with him! And he was kept there just to give angst and rape! And no reflection on his action! Nothing, because 'he loves Jaein', such a bunch of crap!! And this is such a typical trop in BL, to give someone shitty, it's not even a damn love triangle, just a damn third wheel jumping in and raping whoever he wants!
And seriously, at this point I'm scared of reading ongoing series, because that crap can be added at each step
Exactly! They see anything sexual as a sick kind of reward rather than something deeply degrading and humiliating, so they wouldn't just use it every day on a whim...they'd be far more creative than that.
The dude basically thought "If I rape him and somehow through magical whateverness, I can get him to come crawling back to me." I was sitting here like "My guy, you've lost. Get over it. You're not rival material to me - you're a jealous ex who wants the guy he threw away back." Classic case of narcissism if I've ever seen it. Junghyuk (I think that's the assholes name) seriously deserved to be shot and killed at the end of the series, but no! No one had the stones to do it! Not even Taeyoon who would've had all rights to do it!
Honestly, when it comes to Ongoing series, it has to be really fucking good for me to consider trying to keep up with it, otherwise, I want something already completed that way I can know what'll happen when I get to it.
Exactly this! And I hate when it happens in series, seriously authors cannot se that such characters are not even a rival in love, where that 'love triangle' came from, it's like a random dude, who thinks has any rights! Gosh, noone wants to have anything to do with him, especially Jaein and Taeyoon, but no... he's still there, because 'he's in love'... who cares?! And it's still disgusting how authors use that trop and later justify SA by...he loved him... really?! You would rape someone you were supposed to 'love'?! What's wrong with this world
These Asian authors must see adding the extra guy who forcefully gets what he wants from one of the characters as an easy-to-introduce rival lover insert rather than building the guy up in the story as a way for the readers to judge, "He could actually have potential in taking the character he's in love with from this other person...damn..."
I would totally kill for a story where the secondary love interest actually becomes the main love interest in the while the first main love interest becomes the frenzied one who loses control, tries to beat up the second rival lover, and thus leaves the one in the middle to ultimately choose who he wants in the end. You know...like a proper fucking love triangle!
OOO! OOO! Better yet! It becomes a throuple! All three fall madly in love because the rivalry boils over into hate sex and hate sex turns into "Oh fuck, this feels way too good to be what I'm supposed to be really feeling". Fucking game changer right there!
Honestly, love triangles are extremely frustrating for me especially when they are so incorrectly written, or dragged into eternity, so majority! I even enjoyed Wet send at the beginning, but at this point it's just irritating, after these 3 years I want it just to finally end, because that constant back and forward are pissing me off
Ugh! It's like Bella, Edward, and Jacob Twilight bullshit all over again it sounds like! I hate it when people drag love triangles out just to "keep up the suspense". Bitch! The suspense died 100 chapters ago! End it already! Will they? Won't they? Put them in a bed and let the one getting all of the attention decide! (Knowing that, the middle one will probably still choose both just to get the good stuff from both again...that's what I would do)
Exactly this!! You cannot drag this into eternity, and putting MC once with one once with other all the time, because it's just irritating and at the end you just simply don't care anymore! And at this point is better even to go into good poly, where everyone is happy
Condoning and tolerating are not the same, please improve your english. It's very much possible to tolerate something without ever thinking it's okay. You don't have to turn your personal boundaries into moral accusations, that's just unnecessarily rude. Also, liking it doesn't automatically you'd want or support it in real life. Are you guys struggling with separating fiction and reality? Some of y'all judge others so hard to appear "righteous" but end up being logically inconsistent, it's utterly ridiculous. Just to remind you that you're holding onto a double standard without realizing it.
it sfill baffles me how the story manages to be both ridiculous and tragically realistic at the same time, omedy and horror
Why is the cover photo like that?? and why is there no summary, i have no idea what i signed up to but im reading because the rating is so high ╥﹏╥
You'll meet his ugly ass blonde twink body in later chapters
damn it i hate his twinkification
This art style to this lovely story is gonna be my roman empire Q-Q