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These people have clearly never been in a relationship. Everything is rape to them.

On a real note, its what you and your partner have established in boundaries. Its genuinely a turn on for some and encouraged, others not so much, its an invasion of privacy and trust

Exactly! Some genuinely don't care either.

My issue is that "rape" is such an ugly and serious thing. But when every fucking thing gets labeled "rape", in a way it loses it's true meaning.

Uhhh on a real note, sleeping with someone while they're unconscious IS rape, you don't need to be a sex savant to know that??? The "it doesn't matter cus he liked it anyway" defense has been used for decades at this point to defend this happening in yaoi (And in real life

I think its very good that we've started putting so much emphasis on consent and making sure its properly attained in a society with such prevalent rape-culture. Like that very well could have been rape had Eunsan not wanted it/felt violated in any way. Because truth is you cant give nor revoke consent while unconscious. Realistically though, couples practice doing things without explicitly given consent all the time. Kissing without asking, groping while the other is doing something else, etc etc. In truth, unless youre asking every step of the way you are running the risk of violating consent. Somno is a genuine kink ppl have but the ppl involved (irl at the very least) know its a version of cnc with a massive gray area of dubious consent. Because what if you say i can fuck you in your sleep that night but then when you wake up to it you hate it? That would technically qualify as rape as you weren't in the position to revoke consent since you were unconscious. It's something that can and should be taken seriously.

Actually the meaning is just broad, because every sexual activity without an enthusiastic, clear consent is a rape. They didn't specify if it's okay, he didn't said yes. Ian at that time didn't know if he has green light and still did it. It's still yucky and only because Eunchan was kinda fine with it, you don't see it as a rape. Imo it is, no matter how much they are into themselves

He couldn't be into it bc he wasn't even aware it happened. Is it Hunter degree r@pe? No ofcourse not, that's obvious. Do I think he should rot in jail now? Also no. But he fvcked him without his consent. That's r@pe. And it's being reasoned as he's very desperate and impatient bc he has been in love with him for years, and I get that. And that isn't bad or anything, but since the start of the comic he has been crossing Eunsan's boundaries bc of his desperation and impatience, and that's not okay. And we should keep addressing it, and raising awareness. Stealing a car and robbing a bank are both theft even tho one is several times worse. They should both still be punished on theft. Tho the punishments severity should match the severity of their crimes.

I never said "he liked it anyway". That wasn't my argument, now was it? It's about communication and boundaries. He knows about it now, if he doesn't like it, he needs to communicate that to his partner. If the partner does it again, then it's a problem. And he should stop seeing that person. It's that simple.

As an adult with experience in relationships and sex, I disagree. Not everything IS rape. Eunchan knows it happened. And he is no push over. And he is choosing to indulge Ian. That is his choice. If he doesn't like it, he needs to communicate that to his partner.

Clearly, Eunchan agrees it's not rape. Same way I didn't see it as rape when my husband would wake me up in the middle f the night for some fun time.

And please don't insult a real person by saying I was raped. I am a grown woman and I know the difference between being in a relationship and thinking everything is rape.

Of course it should be taken seriously. But by getting into bed with someone, by having sex with them, in a way you leave the door open for further sex. Eunsan is in a sexual relationship with Ian, they are sexual partners. And it's a new relationship, this is the time where partners learn what is or isn't acceptable.

If Ian was a complete stranger and they were not sexual partners, this would be a different story. Not everything IS rape and should not be labeled so. Rape is not a word that should be thrown around lightly.

I'd say most people wouldn't mind. Otherwise they wouldn't be in a sexual relationship with the other person. But if you've never spoken about it and they just do it it's rape, bc they didn't get consent. It's very simple. If you were gonna give me a sandwich but before you could I stole it then told you later told you I already ate it and you didn't mind bc you were gonna give it to me anyways does that make what I did not theft? No it doesn't bc maybe I was mean to you and you changed your mind didn't wanna give it to me anymore. Or maybe you got really hungry and was planning to eat it yourself. Anyway to bad I already ate it. If the other person liked it or not doesn't change the action the only change is if someone got hurt by the others actions. So you can't argue it's not rape bc someone liked it bc it still doesn't make it acceptable behavior.

I disagree. For the many reasons I have already stated. At some point, the line does have to be drawn between what is and isn't rape. I don't see this as rape. Is it right? Maybe not. But it's not rape.

I see why you'd have that opinion. Your interpretation does gives the definition a stronger significance, I think that's valid. I personally choose to consider it rape tho, even tho I can obviously tell the severity of this specific case wasn't that bad, it validates the people who've had this happen to them and didn't enjoy the experience and felt violated well bc they were raped. And by calling it rape it (well to me at least) solidifies the action and thus so deterring others from doing the same. I'm all for being kinky. I just think people should talk about if doing something to their partner would be okay with them, before they decide to do it and just find out after and hope they didn't traumatize them in the process. Bc there's a vast difference between grabbing them by the ass and full on fvcking them. A quick "Yo, would you be cool with this?" Is all it takes, and prevents unnecessary suffering. And debates like these.

"guys I get he was unconscious but it’s not like he hated it if anything he was into it"
I was responding to both of you, I didnt wanna make 2 different comments

I wasn't insulting anyone, if you feel called out that's completely different. I was just stating that at that time there was no consent, therefore it was SA.

I personally wouldn't do anything without my partners yes, I feel deeply disgusted with thoughts of forcing myself when they are unconscious. If I was in Eunchan shoes I would stop everything and get away from Ian as quickly as possible.

And no you don't "leave the door open for further sex". True consent can be at any time withdrawal, if not it wasn't a consent, but a coercion

guys I’m not a master debater alright, I can see how he does need to give him consent, I said it very wrong before I should’ve stated it better, but I’m saying that if you walked up to him and asked him if he was raped that night, (given he isn’t confused by the fact you know he had sex) he would say no. Ian told him what happened, If he really was not okay with that he would’ve told Ian, he is a very outspoken person, and I’m sure Ian wouldn’t do it again, and would probably apologize a million times

You can't define rape by if the person enjoyed it or not. That'll be different for everyone in every situation. The only thing that doesn't change is the action of fvcking someone without their consent. Which is rape. Which makes this rape. I don't think Ian is horrible or anything but he did something he shouldn't do again without consent. Nobody should.