Tippytoes

As a trans man currently starting his period, I fucking feel you!

What period ??

The op mentioned their Luteal Phase, which occurs right after ovulation, and goes til the start of your period.

Unless you are asking me what period I have as a trans man? Which would show that you don't actually know what a trans man is.

I’m not quite sure how to phrase this, but I think it’s important to remember that everyone is experiencing life for the first time and a little kindness goes a long way. He mentioned that he was a trans man, which might have offered some helpful context.

I hope this comes across in the spirit it’s intended: not as criticism, but as a gentle reminder. A quick bit of research can sometimes make a meaningful difference in how we respond, though I also understand that curiosity can play a role.

With love,
The lovely OP(づ￣ ³￣)づ

<3 Same here! I really hope my response didn't read as rude! I just wasn't exactly sure how to respond to the question! I thought they may have been confused about the Luteal Phase and how that tied to one's period, but I couldn't ignore the elephant in the room. Lol!

I really appreciate your response though! I hope your cycle is treating you well, and if not, that your cravings are at least being met! Mine is always salty/savory, then sweet the very next second. I have PMDD, so my luteal is always an intense joyride! :)

I seemed to have gravitated towards comfort and sensory warmth, evidenced by finishing an entire box of trix in two days and then baking cookies because I wanted the familiar scent and candles weren’t cutting it! :,)

PMDD is intense, I won’t lie—but you’ve got this. It’s temporary, even if it doesn’t feel like it right now. Be gentle with yourself and just take it one moment at a time ╮(￣▽￣)╭

He is a trans man wth lol don't be ridiculous

Respectfully, you’re in a BL comment section acting surprised that gender and sexuality aren’t fitting into your limited understanding. A trans man can absolutely have periods! Basic biology doesn’t disappear just because you’re uninformed. Google is free!!!
Also I tried being kind the first time around but if you’re slow just say that and go on about your day, if you are not educated enough on a certain topic that is being discussed learn to sit it out.

I know I'm here for bl. But trans women menstruating hell no!! You use the Google

Once again you are proving to me and everyone who will read this that you are slow, comprehension is a great asset, one which I believe you are too fast for!

<3 You are so sweet! Also, trix! Fuck yeah! Amazing cereal choices!

Hey, dumb ass, trans women go through the same hormonal cycles as a cis woman when taking estrogen. Meaning, trans woman DO experience the same exact PMS symptoms of a typical cis period. So yes, trans women, have periods. Learn some shit about hormonal cycles before you dare to bring my trans sisters into a convo you weren't even qualified to answer.

Second, until I have been on my testosterone for a few months, I will still experience and have my periods. And, unless I decide to get a full historectomy and bottom surgery for a phaloplasty, I will always have a possibility of having my cycles return if I were to go off testosterone.

Third, the gender attached to trans, when identifying an individual, is the gender the individual themselves identifies as. Trans men are, typically, AFAB (assigned female at birth) men. Trans women are, typically, AMAB (assigned male at birth) women.

You are a fucking clown

Bro just be a man it is not that hard why do you want to be a pussy so bad

I'm still standing on my words bro you aren't menstruating shyt

You moron, I fucking have ovaries and a uterus! How are you this stupid!? Like, literally!?

Also, so you are telling me that you are so dumb, that you think a woman who had a partial hysterectomy, where only the uterus is removed and the ovaries stay, that you think those women no longer have periods either? Bro, I bet you also think women who get full hysterectomies don't go through menopause either, when they actually go through it twice! I actually can't

You're an uneducated bigot.

Everyone should strive to be a pussy. They are capable of healing almost perfectly after giving birth. They can, when aroused or giving birth, expand up to 10 inches, despite the relaxed state only being an average of 4 inches in depth. They create mucus that is so capable of destroying bacteria, that it bleaches clothing that gets exposed to it for too long.

Meanwhile, a sack tap will down most men.

And even though I am a man, I am quite content with my vagina, uterus, ovaries, clitoris, vulva, and the rest of that area. Still on the fence about my breasts, and if I want to remove them or not, but I will figure it out. Mostly keeping them, since I don't wanna risk losing my sensitivity, and my husband enjoys them, though he wouldn't lose interest if they were gone, since he's pansexual.

No you don't. You fucking clown stupid ass man who want to be a pussy so bad you are a man and you don't have ovaries how old are you sucker you are fucking weird to think you have ovaries and uterus you should use your fucking phone to search and stop being a nuisance

You are not biologically a woman bro use your sense faggot

I think it is the other way mf I wanted to send a screen shot but I can so read this

Short answer: No, trans women do not have a uterus or ovaries.

A trans woman is someone who was assigned male at birth, so they are not born with female reproductive organs like a uterus or ovaries.

They may take hormones (like oestrogen)

Some may have gender-affirming surgeries

But currently, there is no common or established surgery that gives a fully functional uterus or ovaries to trans women


So biologically, those organs aren’t present.

That said, in conversations with people, it’s usually best to separate:

Biology (facts about the body)

Identity (how someone lives and identifies)


Both can exist without needing to clash, depending on how the discussion is handled.(≧∀≦)

Oh omg you are so delusional, and pathetic you don't have ovaries or uterus I don't know about vaginal maybe you did surgery to have one but bro you don't have ovaries or uterus

Your husband is gay I'm.siee he is ugly just like you maybe no woman want any of you cause you look ugly ash

I'm going to leave you alone now I hope you fix your mind and accept who yoi are

Oh my god, you are actually the stupidest person I have ever met.

Imagine wanting to hate trans people so fucking bad, that you are completely ignorant to the topic, and every attempt you have made to try to invalidate me as a trans man, has been you accidentally supporting me so hard, that you refuse to accept that I have the genitalia I was literally born with. I would say accidental allyship, but given that your intelligence is as low as the Mariana Trench, I'm not sure you would be able to even slightly figure out just how you managed such a feat.

I deleted your message in my dm by mistake send it again so we can have a real battle

I'm taking fucking testosterone, you fucking dick waffle. Why the fuck would I be taking testosterone, if I was born male and wanted to be more feminine presenting? Like, I realized you can't write sentences to save your life, but at least make up for it with some fucking 1st grade reading comprehension skills!

I was assigned female at birth, because I was born with a vagina. I started developing breasts at nine and started my periods at ten. I have 3 days of very heavy clotting, which usually taper off on day 4, and day 6 is usually the last sudden hurrah of my periods, where I think it's completely done, only to surprise bleed on another fucking pair of panties. I got an IUD and got it removed. I get a pap every two fucking years. Are you planning to become pregnant is always asked whenever I start new meds. I have excruciating bouts of bloating before my period begins, and I legit would perish without my heaty pad, pain meds, and gas x, cause I can't take Midol, cause I have a chronic migraine disorder, and Midol uses caffeine! My breasts used to be a 38H, but thank to losing over a quarter of my weight, 210 down to 143, I don't know their current size. I've had my labia pinched by underwear or my pants, which is fucking awful. I've had pee run up the side of my ass cheek, cause I decided to shave, and a smooth vagina will see to it that liquids defy gravity. I was admonished for not sitting like a lady, for dressing too revealing, for being too loud. I've been shamed for cutting my hair short! I have had so many medical issues ignored or mistreated for years. I have had men who thought I couldn't do physically taxing lifting! Been told to fucking smile! AND I HAVE BEEN SA'D AND MOLESTED, MANY TIMES, WITH MY FIRST ATTACKER BEING MY STRAIGHT FATHER!

SO YES, YOU FUCKING IGNORANT, GAY FETISHIZING CLOWN, I have periods and identify as a man.

So you ignorant piece of shyt you were a lady and now you transferred to a man or what you confused or something

Hey, fuckwad, you gonna admit you were wrong about trans men being able to have periods, or did you forget that this whole thread was filled with you confidently proclaiming, whilst refusing to do the most basic mother fucking google search, that I don't fucking have periods? Cause the fact that it took this much for you to get it through that pebble you call a brain, well, it's almost an impressive amount of stupidity. Also, pretty hilarious that you're trying to ask if I am confused, when you literally don't know what a trans man even is, nor a trans woman, since you though those were interchangeable (which their not), all while never receiving a basic biology education. I would ask if you even went to school, but given your piss poor grammar, lack of kindergarden reading comprehension skills, and the fact that you turn to insults instead of even attempting to fuckin google shit you don't know, I'm gonna assume you never went to school.

Like, no joke, you are just as bad as some other cis woman on here, who decided it would be appropriate in the BL comment section, to use homophobic slurs at others.

Oh, and since your pea brain just got blown away by the thing I told you multiple times, about me having a fucking uterus, ima blow your mind all over again! Cause not only am I a trans man, but I am a gay trans man! I'm in a homosexual relationship with my husband! Can't wait to watch you sit and spin while you flatline after trying to understand how that works, since you're literally incapable of comprehending that gender and sex aren't the same thing, and are in fact, separate from one another! LOL

Hello, I respect your opinion, but I do not agree that Trans women have periods, I swear I wouldn't have said anything, but I'm currently having my period and wearing pads with the feeling of blood seeping from you is really on my nerves.
I understand what you mean by 'Trans women have estrogen therefore...' but respectfully (and yes I love the trans community) trans women don't have periods.
They don't have uteruses that shed (if we're talking in the biological way) yes estrogen make them have feelings a regular woman has while on her period, but it still doesn't count as an actual period.
Yes, it is very much possible to have periods as a trans man, that's not really what I'm on about, but there is no existing surgery that makes a biological, or rather 'assigned male at birth' person have a period.
I hate to talk about gender stuff when we're all supposed to be enjoying a BL so sorry if this comes off as rude...I just felt I had to say my opinion.
Have a lovely day.

I noticed that nobody really answered your request for fluffy recs they were all too busy arguing...
Anyway, have you tried The Sacred Servant's seduction?
It's fluffy, has mpreg and is completed... you should check it out!

Whoops, typo;
THE SACRED SERPENT'S SEDUCTION.

Hey kind human, I have actually read it and love the fluff I’m sad that it ended and kind of want a spin-off between the fox and his florist friend ╮(￣▽￣)╭

But thank you xx

Hello lovely person!,
Oh... that's awesome! I also yearn for a spin off for fox and florist dude but Ig we won't be seeing that anytime soon
Anyway my dear...try checking the lists under the manhwa, you should probably get recommendations for titles with fluff.
Stay splendid!

Hey, while I understand what you are trying to say, a period is not just about blood, it also includes the hormone cycle that occurs prior to the period, with all the symptoms we typically see in the Luteal Phase. Things like bloating, mood changes, cravings, etc. PMS symptoms are a part of having periods.

Cis women with a partial hysterectomy, where only their ovaries are left behind, still experience the same symptoms as they had before, minus the blood. So a trans womens experience of a period, is very similar to this type of case. I hope that maybe helps explain what it means to say that trans women can and do experience periods, even if their periods are not the same as what you and I have experienced. And trust me, I do get how it feels, I remember my reaction to a trans woman saying she was on her period.

Oh, very last thing, but it's also kinda important for trans woman to say that they are on their periods, when they start experiencing the pre menstrual cycle symptoms, because it helps to not only validate those symptoms, but also helps to socially solidify to others that they are a woman. I know that sounds weird, I maybe worded it funny, but trust me, non of this invalidates the periods cis women experience. And, fun fact, when your period starts, estrogen actually starts to rebuild in your system, as PMS symptoms occur from that estrogen suddenly lowering! :) Sorry, medical hyperfixation, LOL!

Not the Cis woman calling the gay man the F slur in the fucking comments of a GAY comic she used for masturbation purposes! Get your homophobic ass out of here! Seriously!

Ok, so by your logic, my aunt who had a full hysterectomy, was no longer a woman the moment she had that surgery! Had them removed for PCOS. And, by that logic, any woman born without a uterus or ovaries, is also not a woman, right? Since you want to make an exclusionary category, and your necessary conditions are uterus and ovaries, and these conditions must not have any exceptions, then what are the females who are born without those? Cause according to you, they can't be women!

Also, I literally spend hours every single day watching debates from people who actually know and comprehend the studies on trans individuals. There are cis and trans individuals on these shows. It's called The Line on youtube, and it is a call in live debate show. They would even take a call from your bigoted ass. Also, if you are gonna respond to my DMs, maybe do it in the actual DMs, cause I doubt the OP really wanted this whole mess because you chose to put your foot in your mouth.

It's because it's a transition from a female to a male. So yes, they still have their periods because biologically, they still have those organs that contribute to menstrual cycles.

Bro can you actually read their comment lmao, the reason why they're enduring menstrual cycles is because they have the biology of a woman, but they identify as a man. So until they perform the required surgeries to fully transition, they will continue to experience symptoms of periods BECAUSE they have always endured it and because it is in their biology. You're trying incredibly hard to be tuff but it's just making you look dumb because you can't even read a proper argument without impulsively crashing out like a frat boy would.

Mind you, you are reading a manhwa that explores mythology and themes such as gender neutrality which are very common in works aligned with religious mythology

Yeah, I agree with your comment. Personally, I don't think a trans woman could ever fully understand the feeling of a period. I understand that they can get chemicals and hormonal therapy to mimic the effects, but at the end of the day, it's not a real period. It has nothing to do with the actual experience that only cis women can comprehend. I feel it's incredibly insensitive to strip that experience from a women and replicate it through harmful chemicals because it is a hardship, it is one of the worst feelings ever, and it just has a way of completly wrecking my day. It fully impedes certain women and girls, like me, from being able to process normally because I'm just reduced to this state of immense internal pain that only amalgamates until I want to cry and wail. I can acknowledge the therapies that exist to capture the symptoms of menstrual cycles to aid trans women, but I don't think I've reached the stage where I can fully accept it. It's just my personal perception and I will only ever view it as a therapy rather than an actual period, because no woman actively seeks out a period. Nobody BUT biological women can actually experience and feel a period.

Thank you, my guy!

Have you read Sunny Days? It's honestly precious, and I live for that baby!

You are a great ally, thank you! Also, just some extra fun info, but my testosterone will actually stop my cycles, it's just that if I stop the T, the periods will likely return. But honestly, very well said!

I mean, I have lived 29 of my 30 years as a woman, so I do understand what you are trying to say here. The things that I am confused by are, what you mean by harmful chemicals, what symptoms of a period, with obvious exceptions contractions for actually passing blood clots. Also, I didn't include things like fibroids, endometriosis, adenomyosis, or cysts from PCOS, as all of those are not supposed to be the norm for cis women either. You aren't supposed to feel extreme pain before or during your period, because that pain is indicating that something is actually wrong, and that pain shouldn't be ignored by professionals, but it almost always is.

That being said, save those exceptions above, those pms symptoms are all felt by trans women while on HRTs. Bloating, emotional dysregulation, cravings, and lethargy. It happens in the same cyclic way as ours would. The hormones are doing the same exact thing as a cis women, and we only know that, because we literally measure the levels to keep them in the same average ranges as cis women. These symptoms are the result of estrogen levels falling, and right when our period begins, the estrogen rises again.

As far as if it feels the same, it's hard to say. Obviously the bleeding and contractions, which only cause severe pain when something is actually wrong (like the issues from above), are not present, but I again struggle to say that doesn't count as a period. I also know that female bodies will produce, during the Luteal Phase (PMS), specific hormones that actually cause inflammation and pain, and I admit, I don't know if trans bodies do the same. I should definitely look into that further. Maybe there are studies on it.

Last thing, I swear, you and I being born female definitely changes how we feel about periods, but our feelings on them, do not mean someone else would not want to have the burden of a period. There are trans and cis women who would happily deal with periods like you and I, because it could have given them either a closeness with other women, or the possibility of having kids, or for trans women, the ability to be even a step closer to being fully embraced by the world as the woman she had always been. Either way, you have your opinion, and I do think that's fine, but I would be a shit trans brother if I didn't try to advocate on behalf of my trans sisters. I hope you understand that non of this was intended as disrespect or trying to downplay an experience I am all too familiar with. I hope maybe some of this can just be info for you to mull over as well.

On god, I swear I tried to move it elsewhere! Like, I figured out how to send direct messages to them, but they kept responding to those here, and I didn't even notice til today!

Hello, I respect your opinion, but I still don't agree, and that's fine. I may not be such a guru in medicals and gender ideology, but menstrual cramps are pretty normal where I come from...not horrible, extreme pains, but I do know some regular women with HORRIBLE period cramps and they're perfectly okay.
Just because a trans woman has mood swings and some other physical effects as a result of estrogen during 'period' phase does not mean they experience periods.
Please, learn to be respectful to the pains a regular woman goes through, it's absolutely baffling to think that someone would argue about if a trans woman has periods or not... just like they don't have uteruses...they DON'T HAVE periods, and that's okay, because it is what it is.
I'm talking text book knowledge of what periods are, some women don't even have cramps, or mood swings or bloating or cravings when they're on their periods, which means that those shouldn't necessarily be counted as yardstick to say a person has a period or not.
You came to me peacefully and I love your attitude, but it's low-key bull shit to argue that a trans woman has periods.
There are differences between trans women and 'cis' women and that's okay, and I have a lot of trans women friends who will agree with that.
Anyways, like I said earlier, thank you for coming to me respectfully, and thank you for having your opinion... but I just don't agree...and biology doesn't either.
With love and peace and very respectfully.

Also, you said periods aren't all about blood. Fair enough, but like I said, I know people who don't go through severe hormonal cycles during their periods, the main deal about periods is about the blood, it IS about the shedding of the uterus, and using the fact that 'cis' women who have had a partial hysterectomy don't see blood but have periods to compare with a trans woman's quote on quote 'period' isn't fair. These 'cis' women usually have those surgeries due to medical issues, comparing that with the trans woman experience is........
Also, it's kind of important for trans women to say that they are on their periods to validate symptoms and solidify to others that they are a woman?
What?
They are a TRANS woman, whatever happens, they cannot become a let me use the word, 'assigned at birth female', it just won't happen, why can't that fact just be accepted?
Do they have to claim all the experiences a woman has before they are looked upon as women? No! Trans women with diqs are still referred to as 'she' so why, why can't you leave some of these experiences to 'cis' women alone.
And yes...I am a 'cis' women and I feel my periods are invalidated whenever I hear that a trans woman has a period...so, my experiences matter right?

You know what, enough of this.
We aren't here to slur at each other, we just have different perspectives on things and that's fine.
I just felt it right to say that you shouldn't waste any more of your time explaining any gender ideological stuff

Because there's nothing you'll tell me that'll make me agree that a Trans woman experiences periods or take any Trans woman that say they have periods seriously (and my Trans women friends will agree)
Anyway, thank you for your time, and I just want you to know that it is absolutely necessary to have an opinion, and yours matters too

Thank you for this lovely person

I'm really not sure what biology your reading, and I have a pretty hard time taking your opinion as even neutral when you say gender ideology. It's not an ideology, it's literal biology. I still don't think your reaction of calling my points bullshit, when these are points formed from countless hours of learning about these topics, which does not make me an expert by any means, feels very love and peace. I'm not even joking when I say, the reaction you are having towards me, was the exact same reaction I had when a trans woman told me she was about to start her period. I had the same confusion, but I came to an understanding, based on research. Obviously, you don't agree, which you have the right to that opinion. But I would like to point out, that even though I am a man now, I did not suddenly forget the 20 years of having periods, to the point that I could somehow disrespect my own experience and the experiences of other peoples who have a uterus.

Also, if there's anything you take from this, extreme pain is not normal before or during a period. It's easy to say those friends of yours are fine, but that kinda pain literally means something IS wrong. Like, the woman who made the period cramp simulator, did it to showcase the real pain women can experience from undiagnosed issues. I have adenomyosis, but I only found out after getting an ultrasound of my uterus while checking the position of an IUD. Fibroids, endometriosis, and PCOS, all can have that same pain and remain just as hidden. Like, the amount of times that pain gets ignored with 0 checks to ensure that these women do not have any of those hidden disorders, is insanely high. Women's pain really needs to be taken seriously, and we need to learn when the pain actually isn't supposed to be there, because we were taught that our pain was secondary for so long, we have come to just accept it as the norm. Which means I know several women who almost died due to pain that was similar being from something else entirely. Like a burst appendix.

All that being said, I am super tired, so my arguments are likely fuzzier than I would like for them to be. Been up over 24hrs at this point, and my hubby was in a car accident earlier today, he's fine, cars dead, so I am honestly just too exhausted to continue the convo. May just mute this whole thread, cause I am feeling pretty shit from all the ignorant transphobia. Not as much from you specifically, but in general. Either way, love and peace, and I hope you rest well!

Oh my gosh!
When was I ever transphobic?, I literally have trans besties...and they agree with everything I said.
This is my problem with some folks in the trans community, you have a discussion, an argument where you have different opinions about something, and all so suddenly you are transphobic...give me a break, I have the right to have my opinions about something, I love the trans community but I just can't agree with that particular issue, that shouldn't be a problem.
The only offensive thing you can hold me on saying, was calling the whole Trans women have periods thing 'lowkey bullshit' and yes that was harsh of me but if you're viewing it from my lens... you would say the same.
Trans women don't have periods where I come from, and there are so many things to back up my argument. I still can't get your argument about the cramps though, but I don't really get your argument about anything.
Sorry about your husband's car accident though, I hope he's okay.
Also please get some rest and read my responses again...then tell me later if you REALLY think I was hating on Trans people.

Okay, I just re-read your response, and I realise you weren't exactly calling me transphobic...
I apologise for my crash out then

Complete aside from the trans woman experiences, but, have you been assessed for PMDD? I have it, and while what you're describing is vauge, it sounds pretty similar to my own feelings when experiencing PMDD. I was often described as being a completely different person, my moods were, and still sometimes are, very extreme. Like, one minute I am fine, the seconds later I get extremely angry, like shouting angry, then sobbing, back to fine, then depressed. It also isn't uncommon for me to have suicidal thoughts during the Luteal Phase, when PMDD happens, which is obviously distressing. The way to identify it as a potential thing, which should then be assessed by a professional, is the symptoms typically suddenly stop the day of your period, or the second day of your period.

It's caused by your body being hypersensitive to, no joke, the regular hormonal changes. Like, the lower estrogen, higher progesterone, which are, when tested, in normal ranges, but for some reason the body reacts more severely than typical PMS.

Genuinely, just putting that out there, cause I have had it since my cycle started, but it wasn't diagnosed until last year, even though I was being treated for it back from 12-18. My feelers aren't usually too off on this kinda thing, cause my hyperfixation on medical knowledge means I learn as mu h as possible about anything I have, and I was unfortunate enough to have so many fucking things! Lol!

No, you're totally chill! I have done the same to other before! Sometimes these topics can get unnecessarily heated, and our brains love to do that funny, "I already know what they're saying, fuck reading them words!" thing! And no, I don't think you're transphobic. I also do think I want to read up on it some more, because I am now curious if my acceptance of calling it a period is me being the odd man out, lol.

Out of pure curiosity, since my brain seems to have such a different perspective on this, would it be different if a trans woman said she was PMSing? I could definitely probably find some common ground on the bloodletting, but if even PMSing is offensive as well, well, then I have a harder time getting it. Cause they do experience those same symptoms, so I really would have a hard time saying those aren't the same, since a uterus need not apply. Lol, sorry, tired brain makes stupid jokes everywhere.

The spot where you said "but if you're viewing it from my lens... you would say the same." is actually my point. I'm not joking when I say this, I did say the same thing. I said it back when I was 22. That's the reason I even bothered to try to bridge this understanding gap, because I actually had to do that on my own. I was, due to my own ignorance at the time, transphobic towards trans women. Which, as a trans man now, fucking pains me to say. It took time to assess that, realize where it came from, and fix it with education. I did the same with the period part, and I think it was because I may have accepted the social aspects of it, based on them experiencing the same symptoms I have when I am in my luteal phase. And it was just a, ah, well, if they are only missing the blood and uterus cramping, does that actually make that experience not a period. Like, they have all the lead up, but missing that one part? And then I had to ask myself if they might have stigma placed on them as a woman due to that lack of a period. And the answer, kinda leaned more towards yes. Imagine having someone who has the parts of you that you feel are missing, telling you you're lucky that you don't have to have a period, when you may have wanted to grow and have to deal with that same monthly frustration. When I thought about it like that, I just felt bad at the idea of trying to shame them over something like that.

Who knows, maybe my autistic ass mulled it over way too long, or I maybe misunderstood something, but I am pretty intense about my hyperfixations, so I'm not sure.