I like all sorts of nasty things, but the MC is so skinny that I'm scared a gust of wind will blow him away
I'm surprised this has 8.2 rating. Plot was flimsy, and the art was struggling. I can get over MC turning pink, but in some panels, the proportions were so off I could not unsee it (giraffe necks, tiny tootsies, etc.)
The characters were also really shallow, with one dimensional Y/N MC and CEO/President ML.
There is better fetish stuff out there.... Mr.A's Farm, The secret life of the demon king, Snake Hole etc.
Snake hole is the same level as this imo but I agree with mr A farm being superior yaoi pxrn slop
I politely disagree. I’m not sure if you’ve read the whole thing. It’s not Shakespeare, but from a storytelling perspective, Snake Hole is stronger than this one. I could compare them and break it down, but it feels like that’s not really how I should apply what I learned from my creative writing units at university Glad we can agree on Mr.A's superiority!
Did Simplyredd wake up this morning thinking, 'Wow, 50 well-translated chapters in a row? Absolutely unacceptable!’ Then drop some AI-translated slop that wasn’t even the right chapter, because fuck continuity, I guess?
I need the MC to stop and actually think about his situation.
You’ve got yourself a man who not only keeps you alive and fed, but also adores you and provides luxurious housing. Does it really matter if he occasionally kills people? It’s a bloody zombie apocalypse, you take what you can get!
There’s no way you’d catch me plotting any rebellions. The minute zombies start roaming the streets, my morals and feminism will fly out the window hand in hand.
go touch grass eat ur veges and learn some muy Thai lessons then ya useless fat bitch of a trashpanda
That’s uncalled for
Oh wow, yikes. It's really not that serious Thanks, I'm happy to stick with pilates, but you definitely should take some muay thai lessons yourself. Could really help with those anger issues and in learning mental resilience. I hope you feel better soon!
I would probably start my running away arc! Well, it depends, are the zombies attacking people? Because so far, I haven't been seeing people get eaten alive by zombies. If the zombies are killing people. Well, my ass is sat with that insatiable hot killer who is ringing up my booty hole like it is New Year's Eve...
Ahahhah
Your cardiovascular health would go through the roof with all that running! Given the zombie trends, I think it would be 99% chance they would... Also, in any apocalypse situation, stranger danger would become a real big issue. Would have to run from both zombies and people
I FEAR I'D FOLD TOO like Guwon idc, fucking take me LMAO
bitch open ur windows and inhale some fresh air instead of quarterpounders for once in ur life
ngl I felt ur third chin jiggle thru my screen wit all ur passive aggressiveness
First of all, I don't eat at McDonald's. Second, I'm a skinny twink. Besides, we just stating the obvious. A world infested with zombies that eat people. Do I take my chances at the streets where people are getting killed. Or do I stay with the crazy hot guy who occasionally kills people for breaking the rules of the town. I'm staying with the crazy hot guy. At least that way I'm safe from the zombies. You got to pick and choose your battle. The odds of surviving are slim... ┑(￣Д ￣)┍
Yeah, nah. This is not it mate
who even gives a fuck if someone HAS a third chin. what are you, 10 years old?
I really tried to give this a chance all the way up to the chapter 17, but this is so bloody boring.
It's all so repetitive with just some rinse and repeat gang bangs, bjs, anal, verbal degration, fucking etc. Nothing really exciting or kinky.
I even skipped to see few later chapters and it seems they are still only passing her around, doing some verbal degradation and fucking.
Maybe this is great for those into gang bangs and being a cum dumpster, but far less great for those into BDSM.
Ye ówò even though the BDSM was less than satisfying I like the way she loves it ^^
I'm so fed up with these four horsemen of the yaoi apocalypse and their ai slop translations, that I just decided to read the novel instead.
And the ML is giving me some serious flashbacks of my past relationship with my ex.
Even some of the stuff MC says during their argument are almost line to line the same stuff I said back in the day!
I'm in chapter 42 and so far ML:
seems to struggle expressing and understanding emotions, has difficulty recognising emotional needs of others, when recognising an emotional need offers mismatched support, is misunderstood as indifferent and emotionless, confirmed to be sensitive to noises, and has completely missed some social cues.
This is just my biased wild theory, but hear me out.... Could the man be on the spectrum? Some of the stuff does remind me quite a bit of my ex with autism diagnosis.
Also, he does follow literal instructions to the T! And the times MC is super explicit with him about what he wants and what he doesn't want, he immediately delivers!
To be honest though, my ADHD ass would have also struggled with how this MC was before their divorce. Hiding away his feelings and thoughts, like a squirrel hoarding nuts for the winter
I'm crine legit everywhere I go I see these same scan groups lmao
Lwokey why does the ML sound autistic. He fits a lot of the DSM-5 Criteria to be diagnosed with autism
I didn’t read your whole comment and as an autistic person he does sound autistic. Even if he seems not to be the greatest, regardless still autistic
I have been reading this for over 15 years. I'm ready for it to end now, please and thank you
At this rate, I'll retire and die before I get to know how it ends
100 percent agreed. I started this in 2004 at 17 years old. I am 38...I can't believe this manga is still going and unnecessarily dragging plotlines.
Lady... shi im cry, u started it before I was even born..
Damn that was the year I was born
I feel like this is the Yaoi manga equivalent of diary of a wimpy kid
Yeah I guess me and my friend group are the BL OG's. We were hooked in the early days. But geeze why is it still going? omg and then the manga ka takes a year to put out a chapter. I want to still be alive when it's complete! lol
I started this at 2008 and still ongoing huhu im already in my 30 :(
yay im not alone!
Wc to the club I guess huhu
Wait a minute, I just did the actual math. I started reading BL when I was 14, and this was one of my first ones. I'm 35 now, so I started around 2005 and have been reading this for 21 years Time is an abstract concept that I'm very shit at estimating
Not that it's a competition, but if it was, you would win with the earliest year... Congratulations!
Doing my actual math, I started in 2005.
I hope I can read this until the end
Yay someone else from my generation. I was starting to feel old on this website! lol
girl me too! i started reading this in high school around that time and im 38 as well! This might have been the first bl i ever read. Asami will always be one of my favorites.
lowkey they are my fathers lol the story is so soap opera coded but it holds a special place in my heart as it was my first bl lol
Holy shit ,I can’t even believe that,I was 3 y/o in 2004 ,this manga is fucking ancient.and i thought i was reading it for long (since 2019) maybe
Yeeeeesss Asami still my fav as well!
Glad to see the comment section of this manga is still alive.
I remember the exact date I started this. It's one of my first bls. Asami will always have a special place in my heart.
Loll samee, i read this back on highschool now im 32
I had no idea why it's so memorable lol
Need to check by rereading it
Do you know what. I don't hate it.
Sure they are into some kinky stuff, but at the end of the day their relationship is way more healthy and romantic than your average bl couple out there.
Nah my couple talks it out, has a fight, eventually realizes they're childish. Unfortunately, they do not piss on each other as soon as the other person said no.
I'm out of loop, are people really harassing the author?
There are so many bls out there with violent gangrapes and literal torture, but this one is the one that upsets them. That's wild.
Or are they just upset that the author is not draving this peak fast enough and are desperate for more
This was such an amazing read!
I love how the author portrayed the mental turmoil and emotions of both the MC and the ML. The tension, the thrill and fear. Watching MC slowly but surely succumbing and falling to the arms of his kidnapper. The use of visual metaphors and symbolism, all of it was amazing.
I loved this a little bit too much. I was going to add this to my list of my favourite yandere MLs. Then the attempted murder suicide happened. Whilst the leg breaking wasn't a deal breaker, murder suicide kind of is.
After that. I knew they probably shouldn't end up together, but my heart still wants what it wants.... I cried so much at the end.... Maybe they can get back together after ML gets out of prison
I loathe this ending! Several volumes are spent building Azusa up as someone who refuses to yield and fights back, but for what? In the end, no one tears down the system; the game merely fizzles out, only to resurface a decade later, while the rapists, abusers, and people responsible face no consequences. No one gets justice, and nothing really changes outside some character's personal growth.
The lack of accountability is astonishing.
Taisho stabs Eno, only for the story to turn around and have him visit Eno in the hospital. Atsumu even gives a speech about how anyone can become a victim or a victimiser. The ending acts as though everything can simply be pushed aside, forgotten, and forgiven. This makes the resolution feel emotionally incomplete.
I feel as though the initial societal commentary the author was going for was about how arbitrary hierarchies can distort human behaviour. When people are ranked and rewarded for dominance, they quickly turn on one another. In a society where status and social hierarchy are everything, and people have to fight for safety, everyone ends up becoming either a victim, an opportunist, an enforcer, or a silent bystander.
But, the problem is that the ending makes everything seem hollow. After all the brutality, psychological damage, and abuse we sat through, the story simply wants everyone to move on and forgive. Atsumu even talks about the castes as something that tore them apart but also brought them back together (excuse me?!)
Consequences matter. Without them, actions become empty spectacles with no real substance. If the ending had committed to some kind of fallout, shown psychological damage, real accountability, or even an emotional cost and healing process, then perhaps it wouldn't have felt so flat and forced. As it stands, the disconnect between what happened and how the story ended muffles any meaningful message that this could have made. It almost feels like the mangaka wanted to use the emotional weight of trauma without having to deal with any of its consequences.
I’m trying to find meaning in the ending, but I’m left with this: love and control remain forever tangled, and instead of changing the system, the best you can do is hope to survive it, forgive and forget. What in the Jesus is this “turn the other cheek” ending!?
its funny that you expect consequences in yaoi
How so, there are quite a few BLs that show consequences, even to the extent of having the antagonist punished or the victim struggle emotionally. I don’t necessarily need the whole nine yards or criminal trials, but when you jump from “this is the worst thing happening to us” to “well, I guess we all learned something from this and it brought us together,” there’s a massive disconnect.
if there is real meaningful consequences, it usually wouldn't be a bl because then there wouldn't be a happy couple romance ending which is what bl generally pushes for as a genre. consequences threatened the narrative integrity of the romance.
most "consequences" in bl is rapist being sorry and ultimately ending up with the victim in a romance lol. To me there is typically a massive disconnect that you need to gloss over with "toxic/dark romance" for it to even work as a story.
example: killing stalking has meaningful consequences and it isnt considered bl.
It's true that a lot of BLs follow the “victim becomes the lover” route. Which is not suprising from a market perspective: rape-fantasy/CNC remains as one of the most common kinks, and many readers are willing to accept a level of disconnect if the story centres around one perpetrator who shows remorse, regret, or makes some attempt to change. Which is something we see more and more these days.
But, Caste Heaven is not merely a story about one toxic relationship or one perpetrator receiving a chasing arc / redemption. It depicts an organised system in which sexual violence, abuse, and humiliation are normalised, sanctioned, and carried out by numerous people. It spends volumes establishing how horrible and psychologically damaging that system is, only to turn around and end with the implication that the system “brought them together” and that “anyone could become a victimiser.” That is a far larger moral and emotional leap than a standard dark-romance reconciliation.
Also, even if much of the genre favours romantic reconciliation, that doesn't mean BL is incapable of showing consequences, or that a story stops being BL when it depicts them. There are recognised BL works in which rapists and antagonists (whether external perpetrators or male leads), are imprisoned or killed off in the end.
Examples: Hwang Young’s Misery, Max Mojave’s Case, Dear Teddy Bear, Broken Boy, A Room Without a Window, Enka: Zetsurin Ou to Yokubou Ouji.
I do understand the genre convention you mean. I just don't think “it’s BL lol” is a sufficient enough answer to criticism of an ending that treats systemic abuse as devastating for most of the story, only to change its tune at the very end. The manga could have had it's romantic endings, while still holding external perpetrators accountable, and addressing the system.