Vani_C0c0nut

sex is a spectrum and gender is a spectrum i don't think it would make much sense to categorise males based on how much testosterone they have or females on how much estrogen, nor either sex on everything else that defines their biology, so if someone decides they align more with group of people that typically have short hair, facial hair, an adams apple, and a deep voice, then why not? of if a person decides they align with the group of people that typically have long hair, no facial hair, boobs, and a soft voice, then why not? it's no different then the cis men who grow out their facial hair and take testosterone or steroids or whatever so they can look extra buff and get a deeper voice, nor the cis women who put on makeup and go on diets to look more slim and wear push up bras

But isn't that biologically incorrect? we are who we were born as. why change something about yourself just to convince yourself that you are another gender/sex? It just feels unnatural.

babes it's time to understand that gender is a social construct and nothing else, you are not a girl (i take girl as an exemple) bc you are born one but bc society told you you are one
so, you are of the gender you want to be when you feel that you are of this gender, be it for cis or trans people. there's no other criteria
now let's just trans people live and mind our own business instead of trying to find a problem with completely normal and respectable persons like them

Trans people’s identity do not affect you and your personal life. Your feelings should not have influence on how you feel over how someone’s is living in a way that makes them feel that is most authentic to them. It is not “unnatural” but simply them living in a way that makes them feel true to the self and the only person that opinions matters is theirs and no one else.

I would respect any gender it as long as it doesn't ruin spaces especially for women. Like how transwomen are allowed to compete in female sports. Biologically transwomen still have the strength of a man. It's unfair.

on the papers, you are a girl. you have a pussy, you will grow boobs. Gender in dictionary form refers to either the male sex or female sex. How has it been twisted into what you feel? It doesn't make sense to try to be lie to yourself and expect everyone to also go along with it.

I'm not trying to start a problem but it's really not normal. It completely deviates from what is normal

I am accepting towards trans people because of intersex people.There are intersex people who are biologically male or female but their body doesn't look like it. What I mean is you won't know whether their a man or woman just by looking at them. But there's limit to everything. I think trans women and women are different categories of people. Trans women should not be allowed in women's sports, prison or woman exclusive places. I don't think think gender itself is a social construct but gender rules are. However there are some exceptions in nature like intersex people and trans people and there's nothing wrong with that. I am happy to refer to someone with their preferred pronouns but only if they are not delusional enough to think that trans women and biological women are the same and tries to invade women only spaces.

gender does not mean sex seriously educate yourself

what is not normal is to run your mouth about someone else's identity when it doesnt affect you at all

hey so, intersex people and trans people aren't the same. <3

bruh being intersex is being neither male or female it's not about the look

Normal is subjective not objective when it comes to societal prospective so you cannot put your your norms onto other people’s norms because they will be different. Your line of thinking on these things are very closed off and does not feel like there’s not much room for open for discussion when you started this and more to just share your beliefs on why you do not accept trans people.

I do always find it fascinating when people who atleast consume lgbtq media pick and chose what they support and what they dont. To support one and not the other when we should all be supporting everyone especially more these days

I'm not trying to offend you but it does affect me as a biological woman if trans women starts to take part in women sports and other areas. Because biological males are generally stronger than biological women. It is unsafe and unfair for women.

wym unsafe they are not gonna eat you

I know they are not the same. I'm just saying there are intersex people with XX cromosoms and their body looks like a man's body and XY cromosoms but their body resembles a woman's body. People would not be able to know that they are biologically male or female if technology didn't exist. That's just a fact that made me more accepting and empathetic towards trans people. I think people can live how they want to live as long as they are self aware and doesn't force their opinion on others.

Genuine question, why is sports the only argument being brought up and specifically against trans women? Personally sports does not have a role in my day to day life. Do you play a professional sport where you have a trans woman on your team?
Saying you don't mean to offend but then saying offensive things just off of someone's existence does not take away the offense

"me me me, my my my" y'all loveeeee the "actually this does not affect me so why do we need to bring this up" like what are we even on about we have officially lost the plot. so let's inculcate trans women in female sports, let all teams be trans women . let us not put women in female sports. now all sports is male sports. thank u.

I am friends with both someone who is intersex and someone who is trans and if this argument was brought to them I think it would be harmful to both of them because I think it is unfair to categorize them under the same label since they are different.

I never said I don't accept trans people? People can live how they want as long as it is not harming anyone else. Same goes for trans people. But it not biologically possible for a male to turn into a female or female to turn into a male or we just don't have the technology yet. You can't deny biological males have physical advantages. Trans women are still biologically male so they are stronger and able to impregnate women. So trans women participating is women's sports, jail, locker rooms is a obviously not okay. It's not wrong for me to point out reality.

I was just using my personal perspective dawg to share and asking theirs it was not a me me me. if anything its all about me me me for people who want to put their own ideologies of not believing in trans people when all trans people want to do is be comfortable and true to themselves.

that reply was for someone else, but I will say that you say you accept trans people but everything you said after that was every reason for why you think they are wrong, to me that does not sound like acceptance.

I don't think you even understood my point. I never said intersex and trans people are same. It's that intersex people can look like a man at the same time is biologically female. So trans people can change their body even if it doesn't match their biologically and live how they want as long as they know they are not biologically their opposite sex.

WROOOOOONG intersex people are not female nor male you're talking about androgynous not intersex

Is being part of something the only way you are allowed to care/advocate for something?
Do I have to be a cat to care about animal welfare?
Of course not, right? There are many things in this world we should advocate for even if you're not directly affected by it.

Sports is one of the biggest concern because there is a biological truth to it. It not only gives unfair advantage but some who have ulterior motive like taking advantage of this predicaments (transitioning for the sole purpose of competing) ruins the progress that even people within the LGBTQIA+ has advocated for in years.

pookie i am sorry for a warning beforehand but the "you're a TERF/transphobe" moral policing cult group are gonna come for you T_T.
here comes their "why would a man wanna transition to a woman js to compete in woman's sports?" argument....as if men aren't known for doing deranged shit to torture women T_T...

im sorry but Mr Rover is right IIM COMING FOR YOU, not a SINGLE one person in the trans community will go through the hardship of being out first and then transitionning just to win more easily a sport game lets be fr

@sash123 are you trolling?? no i really think ur a troll acc like this kind of random woo woo ass talking points cannot be real and unironical T_T.... "nore female nor male" ok so are you saying intersex people are hermaphrodites? which they are NOT btw....this is so tone dead towards intersex individuals you cannot be real w it T_T

and Mr Rover im watching you too remember

for the love of god just google it and yall will learn in 5 sec what intersex is

the one who needs googling is YOU btw. stop w this bs i cannot even take u for real (stopped doing it way back but like this is actually getting funny now)...intersex does not mean the sex isn't binary...y'all LOVEEEE bringing intersex people in your conversation w/o knowing shit abt them so stop pretending you care abt them .... intersex people are people who have DSDs...their are around ~60 recognised DSDs, does that mean there are 60 "sexes" in homo sapiens...?!!!?

omg this user on mgg sash123 hates me whatever shall i dooo?!?!! im so scareddddddd XD

the DEFINITION of intersex is that the sex isnt binary what are you on about girl educate yourself seriously it's starting to get concerning

the definition of intersex is not sex isn't binary...literally "me when i make shit up" levels of tone deafness. intersex people aren't people with DSDs....Disorders in Sex Development.....that does not negate sex being binary...there are only two sexes...male and female....please tell me you're being ironical w it....like what even kinda logic....

js go to ur cult group to hate on me or make mother post abt me on the forums, that'd be much better than talking here don't you think....

will love to see a @Mr Rover is insane post up by tomorrow....haven't your group posted about me three times already?


me when im in a "let's make up definitions" competition and my opponent is sash123 XD

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Why do you think this doesn't happen? Do you believe the world we live in is safe from people like this?
There are vile and evil people who would go any lengths to do such things. And the abyss only goes deeper and darker, what about those men pretending to be trans to get into women's bathroom to take advantage of kids going on their own. I mean I remember this on the US news and it's such disturbing news it even made it the local news in my country.

you're trying soooo hard to be right even when you're blatantly wrong about the gender social constructs AND sex and you just refuse to educate yourself by googling the topic of the discussion in like 5 sec and know the answer and explanation...
and fyi nature was never binary we human made that up
but im just gonna let you marinate in your ignorance apparently you wanna stay stupid and im not the one who will try to resonate with someone who clearly says they dont care about what's true and what's not and who just wanna be right

in this type of situation the problem isnt trans people bit cis men you just said it yourself this has nothing to do with trans people

ok and why are u calling them "cis" men...aren't u "assuming" that they aren't trans?? like, they said they're transwomen right....why r u assuming they aren't transwomen ...they literally told u they are... lmao

this user cannot be real...y'all js google "is sex a spectrum" and gemini AI gives u the answer "well kinda sorta" and y'all roll w it T_T....
telling me abt gender social constructs and sex ...like ok duh whatever.

apparently Mr Rover doesnt know what PRETENDING means... and if ai or any scientific research says that sex and gender are a spectrum it's bc it's true btw

babes it's not me....the other user is adamant on thinking it doesn't happen lmao....i have already received major hate from the other user and their other group for speaking things that do not 100% align w their beliefs so i know pretty well how they behave once they find a person who doesn't agree to their rhetoric like a parrot repeating things.

they hate me and mention my username everywhere i have already seen this group mention my username like, 3 times already....in past 2 days...

you deserve the hate

You're focusing on labels rather than the actual issues. Lax policies create security loopholes that predators exploit regardless of how they identify.

While in sports, whether it's men trying to take advantage or actual transwomen participate in women's sports, people who have gone thru male puberty provides lasting biological advantages, bone density, muscle retention, cardio capacity that create an uneven playing field. These are actual safety gaps and biological realities.

i know that trans women have an avantage most of the time on biological wome and do you know what's amazing ? i didnt say otherwise ! incredible isnt it
and the loopholes are used by CIS MEN trans women dont pretend they are women to touch kids in bathroom lets be fr

js stop answering to that user they cannot be real T_T....

you mean im the only person being fr here lol

"what ai says it's true btw" ijbol XD.....yeah!!!! so u don't know how ai works lmao....say this to anyone in scientific field and watch them clock u right there.....XD. "scientific research" yeah and that is what it says.....that humans are oogamous. :)

"pretending" and how do i know if they are pretending or real? like, ??!? is it gonna be revealed to me in dreams via some divine intuition or what??
LMAO.

the cognitive dissonance is unreal.

everytime sash123 replies i understand why i got them blocked -_-

I won't anymore. I'm pretty sure their beliefs in life is shaped by watching tiktok clips.

and every time you reply i understand that i will always hate you from the bttom of my heart <3 transphobic dumbass

my beliefs are shaped by my friends' experience and my personal experience you stupid

yeah, and mine too :)

oh sash123 hates me, whatever shall i do? LMAO ok. and the world keeps revolving. if you think im a TERF or a transphobe then think whatever. since you also apparently think "sex is a spectrum" and what not.

if it doesnt bother you why do you keep replying lol

bc it's not ur post??? and i replied to other users first u js kept talking random bs so i had to reply. your ragebait is getting repetitive now tho

see ? you still reply
and it's not ragebait but education, you should thank me im educating you for free

you can't argue with the fact that sex is a spectrum, and when you try say that both sex and gender are binary you end up discriminating against all the intersex people out there. Is a biological female less of a female if she's born with balls instead of a uterus? is a biological male less of a male if he's born with a vagina instead of a penis? is a persons gender identity based off of their primary or secondary sex characteristics, and who gets to decide that when it's intersex people who would be impacted the most.

if a girl wasn't able to develop boobs and was born with a uterus, would she be less of a girl in your eyes or a man despite the fact that she was born predominantly female?

finally someone with basic intelligence and respect here ty

the whole point of playing sport is having an advantage, it's why basketball players are tall and swimmers all have similars. as far as i'm concerned, we only have mens and womens leagues because of our biological and hormone differences, so if a trans women has been on estrogen for 4 years and has as much upper body strength as any other woman out there with high levels of testosterone, what does it matter? and if that's an issue to you, are you going to suggest that we should force athletes to take otherwise testosterone or estrogen until everyone has the same level so it's more fair?

intersex people are a mix of both, they don't exist out of the binary

yes and being a mix of two things isnt binary they are biologically non binary they are not binary