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There’s a stigma around ones sexual promiscuity and so far this manga is showing exactly that. When I look at the comments, the uke is branded as slutty for having multiple partners in the prologue. Which was smart because first impressions leave an impression, regardless of his circumstances, readers will remember his first appearance.

It made me think about the double standards of women being sexually promiscuous in comparison to men. For instance a woman could have ten sexual partners and be branded a slut, yet a man could have ten sexual partners and be branded a legend.

The same goes for the uke in a lot of manga, when they sleep around. There’s a huge power complex between the giving and receiving roles in sexual relationships. I’m not sure if that’s part of the message the author is trying to convey but from the first few chapters and reading the comments, the stigma around sexual promiscuity will always shame the one who receives but never shames the one that gives.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Taku’s ultimate goal was to get both step-brothers as the subject of his camera shoot because the illicit, taboo, and toxic nature of it is so twisted, human, and intimate.

Looking at Taku as an artist who “undresses" his models with his lens (be it his eyes or camera), laying them bare emotionally or physically, he’s already seen through to the truth of Haesoo’s article and his enmeshed relationship with Jowoon. It clearly both excites and inspires him. (See his dogged pursuit of Haesoo as a model and sexual partner, whom he presses for details of losing his virginity to his step-brother during their first sexual encounter).

Haesoo as a subject isn’t complete without his equally dishonest and obsessive counterpart, Jowoon. They both made each other what they are. And I think that’s what Taku is drawn too — this obsessive desire both of them have to control, wound, and hold the other that leaves them distorted and hurting, but ever circling.

Taku’s behavior thus far isn’t that of someone who wants to break that cycle, but of someone who wants to observe and potentially participate. And while I don’t think this is an appropriate relationship between a professional artist and his living subject and makes me very uneasy from an art industry perspective, it’s just twisted enough to match the twisted relationship of the two brothers.

Love and Hate is shaping up to be one of the most literature adjacent webtoons to date for its pacing, character flaws, motivations, and relationships. It’s gonna be *peak* messy and I am l i v i n g for it.

Since so many people are confused on what’s going on let me try to clear it up.

Sawateam is the group translating TJOAVW which you can find on their discord for free. One of the few things they ask for is be respectful and not post their translations anywhere else.

A little over a week ago someone ripped their translations of another licensed manwha ( Masked Woman) and posted them on bato.to. Then not even day later someone ripped the translations of TJOAVW (and even took off their credit pages) and also posted them on bato.to. They’ve had multiple issues with this in the past so understandably they were upset which made them shutdown their entire site and haven’t uploaded anything since. They’re trying to make ripping things from their site more difficult before reopening but who knows how long they’ll take.

Idk why many comments are saying that you have to pay to read their translation, YOU DONT HAVE TO PAY I would know since I read it on discord without paying them a single dime. They used to accept donations on a completely VOLUNTARY basis which they used to buy raws, no one in the group profited from the donations. But that's no longer the case because a lot of people complained.

They had open invites for the longest time, they're not picking and choosing but they recently closed it due to a sudden influx of people coming in and it was getting hard for them to moderate but they’ll reopen it again in time.

There seems to be this general consensus that if sawateam drops TJOAVW another translating team will pick it but that’s NOT true! TJOAVW is officially a licensed manwha which you can find on tappytoons but they’re way behind (they’re in chapter 56). The majority of translating teams drop works that have been officially licensed because of the possible legal trouble. Sawateam is taking a HUGE risk by continuing to translate this because if the author finds out about them they won’t just get C&D letters they can possibly get fined! If sawateam drops this it is very likely that no other team will pick it up.

Seriously, I don’t understand why it’s so hard for people to be nice and not repost.

*Sorry if there's multiple reposts I was having a hard time posting anything

Freud is very influential, and his theory of the uncanny, for instance, is one I really like. But just pointing out, many of his theories have been discredited and disputed. His ideas about sexuality and gender, particularly, come from a very different time (the 19th century). Remember, this is the guy who believed that all girls and women suffer from "penis envy," because we all subconsciously know that men are better.
Regarding the afterword, I think it's dangerous to apply such a heteronormative way of thinking to non-heterosexual love/sex, and it runs the risk of being very dismissive. Unlike most other animals, humans are NOT driven only or even mostly by the biological imperative to reproduce. Our social psychology and social lives, including our sexuality, have moved far beyond that. Sex has way more of a social function for us, rather than a biological one. So the idea that a sexuality which can't produce offspring causes psychological angst in and of itself is wrong, and frankly kind of insulting. Just my 2 cents.