Novida's Topics (17)

Exactly, he was bottom curious

Thisss!!!! From the beginning he assumed mok was abusing him like he was not even asking him if it was true or not he straight up accused him ok atleast he could've asked sunhwa as he was his 'partner'. I don't blame or hate nanjo but I really have no idea how he thinks?!

Right, it's like he's so deep in denial that he can't see that he likes being a bottom. Those last 2 chapters said it all for me. He was so busy gazing at Nanjo giving him the come hither eyes that he forgot that Sunhwa was even there frfr

Either he has massive savior-complex or he's just stupid. there's also the possibility that suhwa may have made up a story about mokyeon but i don't know.. so far he seems like a good friend to mokyeon...

He got tamed fr fr

Might be a mixture of both.

I don't think so sunhwa made up a story cuz when nanjo and mok first met mok asked him if sunhwa said that if he was abusing him but he said he could see that because of the bruises.

I'm sayin!!! The way he was staring at him because he wanted that good good was crazy

Some fans think that way and just wants to blame Suhwa. I think Suhwa is pretty much a very transparent person. He says what he thinks most of the time esp to Mokyeon. It's most likely just delusions/assumptions of Nanjo. Maybe he witnessed someone in his life being abused so his savior-complex kicks in.

I wholeheartedly think it’s because some people are speaking in a sense to be right about something rather than actually listen to the criticism at hand because it’s rare people can accept being wrong and unbias.

Racism and rape are two whole seperate things, I FUCKING hate rape in media if you go on my profile thats all you'll see, but also rape is sexual. It's violence but its sexual. And it has been romanticized heavily. A lot of the readers of rape are people who have been indoctrinated into believing it's not that bad. To them rape isn't that serious because it's just sex. Thats all it is. It isn't murder, it isn't strife, it isn't the genocide of black people worldwide, it isn't the fact that there is no country on earth totally safe and Liberated for black people, it isn't neo colonialism, it isn't systemic racism, it's just sex. Theres a clear difference here.

i think there are two camps making that accusation, but with different intentions/thought processes behind it. they both end up belittling or undermining efforts to confront specifically antiBlack racism, though.

camp 1 says "everything else goes, but not this?"
subtext: "why can't we get away with this?"
camp 1 is making a disingenuous accusation of hypocrisy or single-minded focus on a (read: trivial, inconsequential) issue, and is often, though not always, trying to insinuate that Black people are the real racists for... caring about racism directed at us and how racial issues are depicted and discussed. they're just trying to muddy the waters of the discussion, because they ultimately never want to hear criticism or any application of critical thought to media that depicts immoral behavior because they enjoy it for whatever reason and don't want to spoil or risk stopping their enjoyment in any capacity. there's also just run-of-the-mill racists and racist trolls in this category.

camp 2 says "so all the abuse/incest/pedophilia/rape/orientalism/etc. is okay, but racism isn't?"
subtext: "why don't you care enough about/act on behalf of *my* issue?"
camp 2 has a somewhat more legitimate basis for calling out hypocrisy that is undercut by their framing of the issue. they would find more support for or less hostility towards their causes if their entrance into the present topic was more, "i'm happy your problem got addressed, could you help me with mine?" or like, listening and learning, instead of "how come *you* got something you wanted, and *i* didn't?". it's needlessly antagonistic and reveals that the person saying it hasn't really engaged with with existing discussions about these issues, and racism especially. at "best" it comes off as jealousy of the so-called "privileged" position of Blackness on issues of racism, not recognizing that any such 'privilege' or 'prioritization' arises from necessity in much the same way as a person in critical condition requires more immediate and persistent care than someone with a serious, but more stable condition (in the medical sense). at worst, it comes off as entitlement to the social justice activity of Black people as if we're machines to dispense protest and dissent as needed. the fact is that Black people are just *people* in every sense of the word, and so some people advocate for themselves out of self-preservation and self-interest, not necessarily from a greater sense of righteousness. this is where you'll find the most "hypocrisy" because some people are just looking out for themselves, which is common, although i'd bet that some of it is simply an unfair set of expectations aimed at people assumed to be fighting for all justice all the time. raising the foundation lifts the whole structure, so gains for Black people results in gains further up the hierarchy, fueling that assumption/expectation/entitlement for people in the middle ranks.
we don't have to play the "who has it worse" game and try to rank suffering and atrocities in order for issues to be taken seriously, when we could just be asking, "why doesn't this issue get addressed properly? what could make that happen?" and working from there. you'll find that some issues are consistently neglected or exacerbated in particular ways. you'll often find common enemies and better make allies that way.
people usually concentrate their attention and efforts on one or a few things at a time. there's no need to insinuate that "some people" are unfairly taking all the attention and resources from the thing you care about as if it's a zero-sum game where they're all in competition. if anything, a gain for one issue benefits the others, if you can recognize the connections between them.
the people in camp 2 may not be outright, consciously racist or dismissive of taking media seriously, but they certainly have unexamined biases surrounding racial issues (particularly with Black people) and assumptions of "justice" and "fairness".

nevermind that the people making hypocrisy allegations don't seem to know what happened beyond people talking here or on their bit of SNS, so their attitude of "those damn [hard-r]s" is misguided and blatant racial grievance, since not everyone who said or did something to criticize this series and contributed to its cancellation through feedback is Black and/or american (i hear that there was korean backlash, too?).
both of these groups perceive the people they're accusing of hypocrisy as a monolithic entity of "blacks and their associates who are too loud about things that don't matter (because only my arousal does)" [camp 1] and "blacks and their associates who aren't loud enough about things that actually matter (my issue)" [camp 2].

there's a lot of poor wording at best, and malicious intent at worst surrounding this whole thing. there is a ton of discussion and education about the role of media in propagating ideas, stereotypes, and propaganda that affects how people think and behave IRL when it comes to race because of activism surrounding that, relatively moreso than there is for the contentious topics of immorality in stuff like BL (though it's definitely out there). that, and the level of attention most works get is way lower than this, so there isn't a perfect storm of 1) people knowledgeable and aware of an issue as it relates to fiction and 2) attention from multiple sources in and outside of BL readership that led to the informal pressure campaign that affected this series.

in conclusion:
there would be a lot less hypocrisy if people were more consistently willing to entertain serious, analytical and critical thought about the media they engage with, even the so-called mindless porn, because nothing is made or consumed in a vacuum.

I agree with what you’re saying, especially the point that these are two different conversations.

Rape is an extremely serious act of violence, and it should never be minimized or romanticized. Many readers have criticized rape tropes in fiction for years.

But racism—especially a system like chattel slavery—isn’t just one act of violence. It’s an entire system that stripped people of their humanity because of their race. It included forced labor, torture, rape, murder, family separation, and generations of oppression. That’s why so many people reacted differently to this story.

The issue isn’t that one tragedy “matters more” than the other. It’s that this manhwa built a romance around a real historical system of racial oppression involving a Black slave and a white master. People have every right to find that deeply uncomfortable.

Two things can be wrong at the same time. Criticizing rape tropes and criticizing the romanticization of slavery are not contradictory positions.

the ML is just a total simp for the MC lol but who can blame him