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What?

In general no. Some are hella weird tho ngl but not all

in the literal and traditional sense yea. now ppl seems to want to leave that behind and make it an innocent title for a person who likes queer stories (specifically Men Loving Men)

I'm going to be honest, yes they are. Most of them fetishize gay men. Not all tho

Big part are, but ofc there are many of us that arent (im not tho, i love bg, gl and bl as equal), is easy to spot them bc some are mysoginistic AFFFF, hate women so much they call the only woman in the story a hoe even if she hasnt even talked to the mc(some of them are not mysoginistic but im not goin to get on detail).

And the part that isnt are those who find bl tropes more appealing, like handsome men and many other reasons. I actually dont care if their fetish is gay man, people have weirder fetishes than that.

Not necessarily. I think it's very multifaceted, but there goes my analysis. For the context I'm a 26y, female, pansexual, and hopefully graduating as a psychologist in two or three months.

One of the resons that makes fujoshi attracted to yaoi is the fact that they feel able to project (in a psychological way, meaning: attributing to a character traits, feelings and characteristics, either desireable or not, one is unable to perceive, realize or recognize in themselves) both onto the bottom and the top. Basically, to use the characters as mirrors of themselves. Carl Jung, famous psychiatrist and creator of the analytical psychology, defined Anima and Animus: anima means the feminine side in a man, and animus is the unconscious masculine side in a woman. In traditional romances, a female reader's projection is often interrupted by her own ego and social conditioning, like judging or feeling pressured to relate somehow to the girl in question. By removing women from the romantic equation, female creators and consumers can project their animus on both characters (top and bottom), eliminating the baggage of patriarchy and male objectification, allowing them — us, better saying — a safe place to explore our own inner masculinity, often rejected consciously or not.

The bottom holds often traits like sensibility, empathy and often a gentle, likeable character (sometimes so girly you can't tell the difference, but he's still a guy) but also the social power and gender roles of a man, which means he's not seen as presumably fragile and delicate. He holds certain powers often not attributed to women, and that's why strong female leads, femdom and gender bender (I'll elaborate later) are common and also consumed by the same public. This means that, in a same sex relationship between guys, gender roles are not defined by gender itself but purely by choice, something most women don't have and/or are stripped of, making the act of submission not equal to giving up power, but an act that holds power within itself; a possible alternative to the relationship dynamics, not a certainty, a fate. He also represents a part of the animus.

The top is often represented as strong and trustworthy, dominant and powerful, even aggressive. One not so accurate side of the interpretation is that he holds characteristics women often feel secure with, thus stimulating the desire to (naturally, as in any fullfiling relationship) make them happy, and turning submission — in this case, through the bottom character — into a possibility, but safe from real-life downsides like possible violence.Now we're working with the desire to submit, not the obligation, which was now turned into an empowering act. Gender bender is the perfect representation of gender roles breakthrough, and can represent a kind of "revenge" against patriarchy and makes a literal play with the meaning of being a man/being a woman. A more correct viewing is that the top represents the manliest part of the animus, since women are commonly discouraged to showrage, aggression, strength and assertiveness.


So, both the top and the bottom represent aspects of women's animus, allowing her — again, us — to recognize those aspects in ourselves and opening path to the Conjunction. Basically, it's the dialogue between seemingly opposite aspects of one's self, creating space to a new reality and a more mature self. The relationship between two men is often reframed to explore aspects like vulnerability and emotional depth, meaning women can witness and experience of her animus aspects becoming one, mirroring her own internal journey between balancing masculine and feminine characteristics.

Now, if a woman's animus (again, her manly side) is neglected, repressed or shaped by negative real-life experiences with men, it manifests as what Jung called Negative Animus. Dark yaoi stories, those with toxic dynamics, non-con, obsession etc are possible means to process the shadow — someone's aspects society or the context see as "bad", undesired, which led to their rejection and supression, and eventually to psychological suffering. So in short terms your shadow is everything you reject in yourself. Said dark Yaois become then a safe psychological lab to work those traits without real life danger or consequences. Now, the same thing happens with Yuri consumed by men, it's a safe space to project the anima, or things popularly seen as undesirable in men.

Not necessarily. I think it's very multifaceted, but there goes my analysis. For the context I'm a 26y, female, pansexual, and hopefully graduating as a psychologist in two or three months.

One of the resons that makes fujoshi attracted to yaoi is the fact that they feel able to project (in a psychological way, meaning: attributing to a character traits, feelings and characteristics, either desireable or not, one is unable to perceive, realize or recognize in themselves) both onto the bottom and the top. Basically, to use the characters as mirrors of themselves. Carl Jung, famous psychiatrist and creator of the analytical psychology, defined Anima and Animus: anima means the feminine side in a man, and animus is the unconscious masculine side in a woman. In traditional romances, a female reader's projection is often interrupted by her own ego and social conditioning, like judging or feeling pressured to relate somehow to the girl in question. By removing women from the romantic equation, female creators and consumers can project their animus on both characters (top and bottom), eliminating the baggage of patriarchy and male objectification, allowing them — us, better saying — a safe place to explore our own inner masculinity, often rejected consciously or not.

The bottom holds often traits like sensibility, empathy and often a gentle, likeable character (sometimes so girly you can't tell the difference, but he's still a guy) but also the social power and gender roles of a man, which means he's not seen as presumably fragile and delicate. He holds certain powers often not attributed to women, and that's why strong female leads, femdom and gender bender (I'll elaborate later) are common and also consumed by the same public. This means that, in a same sex relationship between guys, gender roles are not defined by gender itself but purely by choice, something most women don't have and/or are stripped of, making the act of submission not equal to giving up power, but an act that holds power within itself; a possible alternative to the relationship dynamics, not a certainty, a fate. He also represents a part of the animus.

The top is often represented as strong and trustworthy, dominant and powerful, even aggressive. One not so accurate side of the interpretation is that he holds characteristics women often feel secure with, thus stimulating the desire to (naturally, as in any fullfiling relationship) make them happy, and turning submission — in this case, through the bottom character — into a possibility, but safe from real-life downsides like possible violence.Now we're working with the desire to submit, not the obligation, which was now turned into an empowering act. Gender bender is the perfect representation of gender roles breakthrough, and can represent a kind of "revenge" against patriarchy and makes a literal play with the meaning of being a man/being a woman. A more correct viewing is that the top represents the manliest part of the animus, since women are commonly discouraged to showrage, aggression, strength and assertiveness.


So, both the top and the bottom represent aspects of women's animus, allowing her — again, us — to recognize those aspects in ourselves and opening path to the Conjunction. Basically, it's the dialogue between seemingly opposite aspects of one's self, creating space to a new reality and a more mature self. The relationship between two men is often reframed to explore aspects like vulnerability and emotional depth, meaning women can witness and experience of her animus aspects becoming one, mirroring her own internal journey between balancing masculine and feminine characteristics.

Now, if a woman's animus (again, her manly side) is neglected, repressed or shaped by negative real-life experiences with men, it manifests as what Jung called Negative Animus. Dark yaoi stories, those with toxic dynamics, non-con, obsession etc are possible means to process the shadow — someone's aspects society or the context see as "bad", undesired, which led to their rejection and supression, and eventually to psychological suffering. So in short terms your shadow is everything you reject in yourself. Said dark Yaois become then a safe psychological lab to work those traits without real life danger or consequences. Now, the same thing happens with Yuri consumed by men, it's a safe space to project the anima, or things popularly seen as undesirable in men.

Sorry for the extra long answer hihihi I was reflecting about this exact matter this week, so I got kinda excited getting into details. Also, I apologize and am open to questions if there's anything confusing or badly articulated, as english is not my mother tongue

i love ur reply, relate to that. before jumping to bl i was strictly shoujo only kinda girl. slightly before moving, i there was a period where i was sick of shoujo trope and went on genderbend run, reading like ranma 1/2 or ouran high school (i also love straight romcom from male pov like sekine kun no koi but there was a shortage of that trope at that time). that sounds exactly like past me was projecting animus through fiction

btw replying to op ^ i think it became problematic (as in fetishizing) when you bring up irl people in ur fantasy and brought that up to another people. first of all, whatever in ur mind, if u know it's against ethical standart or basic decency, keep it to urself. second of all, porn is supposed to be hot, no shaming people reading porn obv but if u only read mxm for ur porn that do be kinda weird (btw when i'm saying 'u', i meant for people in general)

https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/dekoboko_sugar_days/
This? But Idk cus the shorter one is the top I think

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