Sorry guys(I'm not actually sorry but) but the fl is honestly the worst person here imo. If she already knows the storyline instead of getting with an engaged man... she could've reached out to our lovely red head villainess. Cuz she's butting in their relationship when (@the people who are in this debate would u mind if I made this into some discussion post/ q&a cuz it's getting hard to keep track of who's saying who)
I dunno man, FL isn’t really that powerful (practically allergic to the land) how is she supposed make the villainess any better. maybe you’ve read to many villainess redemption stories lol ╮(￣▽￣)╭
They are not even engaged yet, he doesn’t want to marry the red head because she’s a pain in the ass for him, but she was the only option left at the end because in the past he didn’t meet yerenica, now he actually loves yerenica and she likes him too and is trying to keep him safe so the only one butting into a relationship is the villainess ╮(￣▽￣)╭
I dunno man, FL isn’t really that powerful (practically allergic to the land) how is she supposed make the villainess any better. maybe you’ve read to many villainess redemption stories lol ╮(￣▽￣)�... Aviserised
I get that but that doesn't justify destroying years of research fr her and she had other options but chose to take the man
What relationship it’s not like they are together or even like each other everyone keep saying the same thing they assumed red head and the emperor would get married cause she would run off every female that tried to come in contact with him not because of love he was marrying her just because and it still wasn’t a official like they was engaged or something
Who knows but looking at the backstory she only heald hostility toward the ml if they had gotten off as friends or smth like anything but mistress and the fiancee instead of him treating her like a glass doll then she could've also helped her with her magic allergy
i dont know if you missed the memo but she was isekaid to the timeline before the stories main characters were even fucking walking. And the details of the "lovely read head villainess" that were given was that she was an evil bitch who used her son as an experiment. Sure lets say she talks to soleia how it would go: Her: soleia you should give up and become a better person. Soleia: tf you stupid? *kills her* Her:............. Her: ................( oh sorry thats right SHES FUCKING DEAD.) (׬×)
i dont know if you missed the memo but she was isekaid to the timeline before the stories main characters were even fucking walking. And the details of the "lovely read head villainess" that were given was that she was an evil bitch who used her son as an experiment. Sure lets say she talks to soleia how it would go: Her: soleia you should give up and become a better person. Soleia: tf you stupid? *kills her* Her:............. Her: ................( oh sorry thats right SHES FUCKING DEAD.) (׬×)
*when* she could work to be some sort of way to communicate that way they'd be able to either dissipate the engagement if needed or continue with a better relationship.
*when* she could work to be some sort of way to communicate that way they'd be able to either dissipate the engagement if needed or continue with a better relationship. toto
And I honestly hate the fact that by doing this she could wipe the existence of not only the child that was supposed to be born between them but multiple others of that world, let's not mention how Mr. engaged man is always thinking that our red haired goddess is always up to something evil because of this unfair prejudice he's built up for no reason.
And I honestly hate the fact that by doing this she could wipe the existence of not only the child that was supposed to be born between them but multiple others of that world, let's not mention how Mr. engaged ... toto
She on the other hand has evry right to hate him because of how her family was just massacred without reason just cuz they were researching black magic. ヽ(`Д´)ﾉ and idk about that world but so far there is nothing that is talking about black magic being the same as black magic in other genres and imo in that world if they don't research it then how are they gonna know how to notice and undo it if It really is that bad. And my second reason to hate him is because originally the fl wasn't perceived as a threat and if they had meet and became friends she could've been able to unravel all this but instead she choses to do smth that's honestly an asshole move and get into a secret relationship with the emperor.
She on the other hand has evry right to hate him because of how her family was just massacred without reason just cuz they were researching black magic. ヽ(`Д´)ﾉ and idk about that world but so far there... toto
If this was her story you would all hate the fl but because it's some fluffy story romanticizing cheating you guys are all for it. Like okay he doesn't love her but that doesn't mean he should neak around with the fl while still being engaged. And I hate the fact that due to the fl he is plotting a way to get rid of the villainess and the magic tower. For what? All for one bitch that can't be exposed to magic
I get that but that doesn't justify destroying years of research fr her and she had other options but chose to take the man toto
Because she new that a good man was to be murdered by his own son because of the influence of his mother, she’s trying to save him and some ended up falling in love with him
I get that but that doesn't justify destroying years of research fr her and she had other options but chose to take the man toto
U sound real dumb... Her body can't withstand magic. If she were to take the villainess then wouldn't she die? And what makes think that the villainess will stop her evil plan? This whole story is about saving the Villain’s dad if she were to take the villainess can u guarantee that she can save the Dad? No end of discussion
Who knows but looking at the backstory she only heald hostility toward the ml if they had gotten off as friends or smth like anything but mistress and the fiancee instead of him treating her like a glass doll t... toto
No because the first contact we see of the FL with the villainess is when the ML bring the FL to his state and the Villainess is using black magic to try to get rid of the FL right there
Tell me, what the hell would you even say to someone like the Antagonist? It’s not like some other novels where the MC is suddenly a therapist #－.－) Tallglassofwater
No the mc doesn't need to be a therapist cuz that honestly wouldn't be a good thing, it's not her job nor place. But the mc and the villainess could've ended up as smth else if the mc wasn't so focused on making him break the engagement. We were shown by the author that the villainess only holds hostility towards the emperor so if she was able to meet the the mc while she was still a new hostage her magic allergy could be explained which would also work in favor of the mc. They have so many things that they could've been but the author chose to put them in a box and say whelp this is it.
i dont know if you missed the memo but she was isekaid to the timeline before the stories main characters were even fucking walking. And the details of the "lovely read head villainess" that were given was that... Swan-MF.
That is not what would happen at all. She's someone with trauma not someone who involves outsiders in her business. The mc doesn't know why she committed those actions in the novel but if she chose not to be a threat at her revenge towards the emperor rather than a bystander (because atp there is no way her neice is getting involved) then the vilainess could at least get closure
And I honestly hate the fact that by doing this she could wipe the existence of not only the child that was supposed to be born between them but multiple others of that world, let's not mention how Mr. engaged ... toto
He didn’t build it up for no reason, and even if they got married she could wipe the existence of that child and any other person that stands in her way because she didn’t care about her own child she only cared about the power she was going to gain she could care less about the child, the father of the child and the rest of the world
They are not even engaged yet, he doesn’t want to marry the red head because she’s a pain in the ass for him, but she was the only option left at the end because in the past he didn’t meet yerenica, now h... Val
They are engaged and if she's a pain in the ass then he should take care of that by himself and find legal means to get her to leave him alone. Honestly the only reason she even went after Yemeni yerenica is cuz she was a threat in her revenge plot. So if he had sorted it all out if the first place she wouldn't even have had to go through that traumatic incident in her palace
Idk if this comment is going to be at the top but a lot of u guys are confusing me hating the fact that the fl chose to go after an engaged man with me excusing soleia's behavior. Soliea's attacks against her were unnecessary and imo inexcusable. Just because she's a threat doesn't mean she should be eliminated. I'm just stating the fact that the fl chose the worst and honestly most dangerous choice out fo the numéro relationships she could've chosen to develop as a hostage.
U sound real dumb... Her body can't withstand magic. If she were to take the villainess then wouldn't she die? And what makes think that the villainess will stop her evil plan? This whole story is about saving ... Bureau of investigaytion
That's another thing. What are people who use devine power going to do abt a magic allergy. Trying to eradicate magic from that country is a temporary solution. Asking the leader of the tower to help and research would have produced better outcomes but why aren't they doing that. Not to mention soliea doesn't just walk around with magical energy so just ebung around her would be fine for our fl soliea just has to not use magic around her.
If this was her story you would all hate the fl but because it's some fluffy story romanticizing cheating you guys are all for it. Like okay he doesn't love her but that doesn't mean he should neak around with ... toto
They are NOT engaged and they NEVER were. That’s not cheating, the only reason the villainess approached the FL was to gain power and at the end kill him, if this was a story about the villainess and the FL the end would still have a child who killed his father bc his mother made him do it, it would not change her personality or the way the story of would end and if I read something like that I would still hate the villainess
If this was her story you would all hate the fl but because it's some fluffy story romanticizing cheating you guys are all for it. Like okay he doesn't love her but that doesn't mean he should neak around with ... toto
Ok you need to understand that first of all they didnt just willy nilly go "oh hey they researching black magic? Lets kill them for the heck it" no they had to kill them because black magic is a heinous type of magic. Black magic is known in this world as magic that can control other peoples bodies and minds against their will and it can also kill them. Its magic suitably for the evil and just fucking imagine the research theyd be conducting to "try and stop it" like you do know that it can involve human sacrifice and experiments at certain points right. ITS MAGIC THAT CAN VIOLATE A HUMANS RIGHTS. ok moving on to the next subject and please listen up, they are NOT engaged. Ok one more time. They are NOT, in any way, engaged. So not hes not cheating her i mean shes trying everything she can to get him to accept her as a fiancee and its not working. And just to be even more clear hes not trying to wipe out the magic tower for some "bitch that cant be exposed to magic". Even before the FL arrived hes always been trying to wipe out the tower since theyre being shady. Now that hes confirmed that theyre black magicians he needs proof and he needs to cleanse the tower now. So yeah the fact that hell get rid of danger for her too is icing on the cake. Before you say something, think deeper.
He didn’t build it up for no reason, and even if they got married she could wipe the existence of that child and any other person that stands in her way because she didn’t care about her own child she only ... Val
Yeah honestly that's pretty shitty of the villainess imo cuz a child shouldn't be used in ur revenge plot but it still doesn't sit right me just cuz like in the book he was able to live his life wrong decisions and all but now it's just like wow so if she does this he won't ever exist to me
They are engaged and if she's a pain in the ass then he should take care of that by himself and find legal means to get her to leave him alone. Honestly the only reason she even went after Yemeni yerenica is cu... toto
I mean wow.. U sound like a fucking bitch in real life..... “The only reason she went after Yerenica is cause she got in the way” somehow she almost killing Yerenica and the Erudian is ok but when Yerenica is trying to save the life of a man she's suddenly a bitch. Yerenica tried severely different methods in making the Erudian drop the engagement but he didn't so she had no choice but to seduce him. Solielia or whatever she's called ruined a child's life but somehow that's ok. Erudian didn't have enough proof that Solielia was using black magic and he ended up dying. If you're gonna make a shit comment like this in a perfectly good story the stop reading, nobody asked u to read in the first place. U read the summary and u still decide to read it. So y r u talking?
No the mc doesn't need to be a therapist cuz that honestly wouldn't be a good thing, it's not her job nor place. But the mc and the villainess could've ended up as smth else if the mc wasn't so focused on makin... toto
No bc as I said before the first thing the villainess did after seeing the FL was attack her with black magic, also the villainess has resolved what she wanted early in her life when she was an apprentice of the mage, it’s shown that she hated the ML even before actually getting to know him when they were just kids, so she could’ve done something different but she didn’t, also black magic is highly illegal so they punished them with what was the punishment according to that crime in that time
Yeah honestly that's pretty shitty of the villainess imo cuz a child shouldn't be used in ur revenge plot but it still doesn't sit right me just cuz like in the book he was able to live his life wrong decisions... toto
she was being logical, why the hell would someone CHOOSE to keep a child that you know will kill you??? Like???In this case she’s not the one with a child but she knows the story and she knows that the emperors child will kill him
U sound real dumb... Her body can't withstand magic. If she were to take the villainess then wouldn't she die? And what makes think that the villainess will stop her evil plan? This whole story is about saving ... Bureau of investigaytion
I can't help but joining the comments as well. Heck, this one has the most replies.
I agree with Bureau here, before anything can happen, Yerenika can't communicate with Sol, the Villainess (sorry it's hard to spell so I shorten it). Her body is weak and for that to happen, she could have die first. If you are in her shoes, with that weak rejected body, do you think you can even talk nicely to the Villainess? She can't even stay conscious!
From her pov, the best target would be Erudian, since he is closer and she need her too to stay alive. Sure, your moral sense might feel like this isn't right. But Yerenika get closer to Erudian knowing full well that both don't have any feelings toward each other. It is political-based relationship and I recall that it's not even official, isn't it? Forgive me if I'm wrong.
For now, I think this is the best route to go with. I do hope that Sol will one day feel at peace and no longer feel hatred toward whoever she hates. But, tbh, her goal is somehow quite crazy, impossible, and isn't very humane either. But yeah, who knows if something will happen after this and she can have a changed heart or something. I do hope for the best ending of all characters of possible.
Uhm... Excuse me for a second but you can just sign or file (is that how you say it?) or just completely cut off the engagement...paper or something since it was arranged and they don't love each other either and doesn't mean someone's engaged to someone doesn't mean they love each other. Also black magic AND using black magic is a big taboo in their world since it's likely forbidden by their own god in their world so uhh
she was being logical, why the hell would someone CHOOSE to keep a child that you know will kill you??? Like???In this case she’s not the one with a child but she knows the story and she knows that the empero... Tallglassofwater
That honestly imo isn't being logical, if we take into account that the fl knows the storyline but not the reason for the emperor being killed, and the magic allegry then it would've been more helpful to her cause to gain insight on soliea because now she knows that they aren't just characters. If there is no good output then I would understand her going after the ml instead but she has no excuse in the situation. Her was just the more handsome choice to make.
Because she new that a good man was to be murdered by his own son because of the influence of his mother, she’s trying to save him and some ended up falling in love with him Val
Ifk abt the good man part because after she learned that they weren't just characters then she also knows only what the author told her not what was real just the cover story type stuff but not the motivating factor leading to it
I'm so tired of this misunderstanding. You clearly have not read the story well. The Villainess was not engage to the Emperor. Everyone only expect it because she is the best candidate politically. She in only a candidate Empress which means, any woman can still take the position besides her but she sabotage them instead. She only self-proclaiming herself as one. It was confirmed by Erudian that he was not engage to her but he will consider the possibility if he had no choice. It was even confirmation by Diego that their are not engage. I suggest you should read the chapters again if you want to
Tell me, what the hell would you even say to someone like the Antagonist? It’s not like some other novels where the MC is suddenly a therapist #－.－) Tallglassofwater
lol maybe she should have been Naruto “therapy no jutsu” hahahaha ╮(￣▽￣)╭
Again, the Emperor and the villainess are not engage politically. You even forget that at the first meeting between the FL and the Villainess. The FL considered to befriend her instead of marrying the Emperor but the Villainess attempted to murder her at first sight without reason. Now, as a rational person with common sense, why on earth you would not stay far way from person who attempted to send her soul to hell at first meeting?
And give me an very good explanation on why the FL has to be therapist when she is not obligated to do so and the FL has every valid reason to stay away from her. This is a toxic mindset unless you are "professional therapist". The FL has no time to be someones therapist when she is literally dying everyday so she pick the most practical choice and did you forget that the villainess mere presence is toxic to the fl because she reeks of black magic? So why on earth would she risk it all when she ESPECIALLY knows that the villainess is all out on killing her. Not all world building could be solve in a power of friendship lol.
The Villainess has no valid reason for her revenge so stop create some scenarios that justifies her intentions. Her parents got executed by using and studying black magic. You know why black magic was forbidden by the empire? Because black magic requires the sacrifice of a human body, necromancy and dragging souls into hell. They are a bunch of murderers. Yerenica repeatedly explains it a few times unless you have missed why they are forbidden. Her family has lots of victims and those are the people from Belgoth. So that's why the previous Emperor (ML's father) executed them to bring justice to their victims and to his people. So what does Soleia had the rights to take revenge when her side was in the wrong in the first place and take note that she knows what she was doing. She thinks they were oppress when her kind is the most privilege creatures (wizards) on land along with divine users. Wizards are free to use and study magic anytime and anywhere they want. They were only forbidden to study black magic because it requires murder. So why on earth they feel oppress?
And give me an very good explanation on why the FL has to be therapist when she is not obligated to do so and the FL has every valid reason to stay away from her. This is a toxic mindset unless you are "profess... Massive Bitch
I never said she had to be a therapist but honestly if you take into consideration the facts the fl is more at risk going after the cuz now the villainess has reason to come after her and she only knows that she's cruel to people who cause after the emperor so it's a pretty dumb choice to make. Another thing is people who use divine power can't help her with her magic allergy nor are they able to create an environment that is completely safe for her. Ik it's risky but there is nothing in the novel that says if she reached out for help she would get killed off.
U sound real dumb... Her body can't withstand magic. If she were to take the villainess then wouldn't she die? And what makes think that the villainess will stop her evil plan? This whole story is about saving ... Bureau of investigaytion
Pls read the whole thread b4 commenting cuz I alrdy addressed this(⌒▽⌒)
The Villainess has no valid reason for her revenge so stop create some scenarios that justifies her intentions. Her parents got executed by using and studying black magic. You know why black magic was forbidden... Massive Bitch
I alrdy said this to another person and made a post abt this but I am in no way supporting the way the villainess chooses to get revenge and honestly I believe that the empire should only kill those that preform black magic not study it because with lack of knowledge on something like that opens up door way to a lot of threats which is probably how she was able to successfully get her revenge in the original novel, but I do sympathize with the villainess because at that time she was a child who had no involvement and idk what her parents were doing but they were her world at that time. It's perfectly normal for her to want revenge because they were her family even though they were probably terrible people. And studying black magic doesn't need to include letting ppl perform and observing I'm talking about studying crime scenes and past events.
I never said she had to be a therapist but honestly if you take into consideration the facts the fl is more at risk going after the cuz now the villainess has reason to come after her and she only knows that sh... toto
The villainess is in contract with a demon that senses the FL as a threat therefore shesll be targeted either way. Also the villainess is on a one track road to annihilating everyone so what you're suggesting about her reaching out to the villainess won't make a difference since the villainess would just kill her for reasons of being a nuisance and also someone who knows her being a black magician and also her plans of a mix of power baby. Anyways there is nothing in the novel that says if she reached out for help shell get killed off but there are also context clues in why she cant just carelessly reach out. Also if she were to reveal her knowing the storyline wouldnt that just give the villainess a more definite reason to chase her down and kill her since she knows what the villainess is planning? And its a common flow of thought for anyone to believe that if they were to confess that they know whats gonna happen next and that its a novels world then shell be called crazy.
And I find it hypocritical of you don't like it that the FL is preventing the existence of a villain who will commit massive distraction, tyranny and genocide just because he was obsess with a girl who doesn't even want his ass. And here you are saying the villainess has a valid reason to hate on the ML when the ML was a child at that time so it's not his fault. He basically has no authority to command the execution of the family. And why would you blame the ML for being on guard with her when he has every reason to. First, the ML already knows the scandal that the Villainess makes in order to destroy the other ladies who wants to be a candidate Empress, she also destroys someone's reputation in order for things to go her way and while she is being a bitch to other people, she acts like an innocent love-sick person to him. That is huge red flag to him because he knows she is being fake and has the intention to stab him in the back.
And I find it hypocritical of you don't like it that the FL is preventing the existence of a villain who will commit massive distraction, tyranny and genocide just because he was obsess with a girl who doesn't ... Massive Bitch
About the ml of the original novel It just rubs me te wrong way cuz he isn't even given a chance at life just cause the author wrote him as an asshole it's like some sort of predestime prophesy for him that he can't escape from which is honestly sad if you consider the environment he was raised in. And I'm not saying that she's doing the wrong thing but there are more options and methods she could go by that could also benefit her more that what she's doing with less trials as well. And another thing please read the rest of the thread before commenting cuz I alrdy stated that I don't support the way the villainess plots her revenge but I do understand she acts that way due to her past but it's still messed up to me the way she's okay with using her child as a tool for revenge.
The villainess is in contract with a demon that senses the FL as a threat therefore shesll be targeted either way. Also the villainess is on a one track road to annihilating everyone so what you're suggesting a... Swan-MF.
Ofc ik she can't just come out and say ik what's going to happen in the future and you're a black magician
I alrdy said this to another person and made a post abt this but I am in no way supporting the way the villainess chooses to get revenge and honestly I believe that the empire should only kill those that prefor... toto
Just like you said, the empire should only punish the one who perform black magic. The villainess family DID perform black magic. Her family both perform and study black magic and they mostly inflict those to ordinary citizen and made them as their human experiments. Believe me I read the novel. The translators here in the manhwa chose another phrase in order for it to be different from other translators. It was actually said, 'The old family who practiced black magic" , instead of "studying of black magic". And no she was not successful with her revenge in the OG novel. She wants to create a world where black magicians could rule and by doing that, she needs to fulfill her contact to the demon god Hades and that is to help Hades go back to Judetta but it became a big fat fail when her future son lose his divinity as punishment so her contact with Hades was unsuccessful especially that her pawn which is her son, died or defeated by the OG FL AND OG ML.
And also I do understand her past but this won't make me pity her because she is already an adult who already see the world. She is not sheltered anymore. She was at the right age to feel conscience and practice basic human decency. To contemplate why her parents died. So she has no excuse. We can only pray for her that she will get a redemption arc but overall no one is responsible to the villainess and you can't blame other characters for that.
About the ml of the original novel It just rubs me te wrong way cuz he isn't even given a chance at life just cause the author wrote him as an asshole it's like some sort of predestime prophesy for him that he ... toto
Yeah, I know already that you don't excuse her. But it rubs me the wrong way when you called the FL a bitch when she has done nothing wrong. She already doing the best she can to prevent a future distraction that will happen. Take note that the FL's niece (OG FL) is will face a bigger trauma because of the future villain's obsession towards her. And as for the future villain, it is better for him to not exist in this Life rather than let him suffer at the abuse and brainwash he will face if the Villainess became his mother. The FL is already fighting the unbreakable cycle of tragedy so she had no other choice.
Just like you said, the empire should only punish the one who perform black magic. The villainess family DID perform black magic. Her family both perform and study black magic and they mostly inflict those to o... Massive Bitch
I understand why her family died and I agree that it was necessary. As for the og novel I thought her main goal was killing the emperor and creating some sort of "peaceful " world for black magicians was more of a side goal because that would be something she would have to do afterwards. And I get ur view on her behaviors as an adult but imo she's still a child In the body of an adult cuz she's recklessly plotting all this without covering her tracks and evrything which is also another thing that's probably going to lead to her downfall in future episodes.
Honestly her character has so much potential and I love how complicated she is cuz she's the most realistic character to me after seeing the way the emperor's acting just cuz of love and the way the fl didn't take into account the possibility of her losing her life while chasing after him and then just demanding that he punish her while knowing that he doesn't have enough material to doir so she seems like a watered down (i was gonna use trashtasha but that would just be unfair to her) version of that blondie in untouchable lady except out to try and save the world.
It feels like the story would be better if the author had given us more insight into the thought process of the villainess and instead of making them enemies gave them a relationship where they're in-between because they each have their own individual goals and that would also make the story more interesting and different to read cuz idk how to properly put this down in writing but they have more to give to each other than they would if one of them died. And it's just crazy cuz if they got along better the villainess would probably be closer to getting over qhat happened in the past and the fl has so much more to benefit from that happening
(Do u mind if I make this debate a discussion post cuz it's getting hard to keep track of where everyone's responses are)
Yeah, I know already that you don't excuse her. But it rubs me the wrong way when you called the FL a bitch when she has done nothing wrong. She already doing the best she can to prevent a future distraction th... Massive Bitch
Oh yeah that's cool I get that lol part but at the same time I find her way of moving without properly thinking things through a bit annoying. And about her neice I don't know if her kingdom is conquered in the future but I think the her niece would be safe if she successfully stays alive as a hostage until negotiations are over and the og ml idk abt that cuz I'd rather he have a chance but at the same time ik through experience that trauma like that is smth that he's most likely going to go through and that if she successfully had created a better relationship with the vilainess he probably won't exist in that time line either so at this point i still don't like the way his existence comes into play because it's like he has two choices and a third but almost impossible choice.
I alrdy said this to another person and made a post abt this but I am in no way supporting the way the villainess chooses to get revenge and honestly I believe that the empire should only kill those that prefor... toto
Yes and no I just find her oblivious and annoying due to the fact that she chose the path with the most obstacles not because she wanted to be empress but because he's hot. Honestly no matter how hot a person is your life should still be put at the top bar on ur list of things you want to protect and then it's how she acts so suprise when she gets attacked by the vilainess when she knows that it's going to happen cuz she chose to go after the emperor. And if we bring morals into the stage it's honestly weird 5o me how she choses to be some sort of super mistress who's trying to kick out the main girl knowing that the main girl could kill her in her sleep. I just need her to actually think things through for once cuz girlie's putting her life on the line with that option and she's not setting anything up to defend herself from the vilainess
Oh wait.. Isn't the engaged man gonna die? Wow, u sound so smart.. Who hurt u babes? Bureau of investigaytion
Add to the debate or don't comment pls cuz it's wasting energy btw it's smarter to go after the murder rather than the victim when nothings going to happen to him yet
she was being logical, why the hell would someone CHOOSE to keep a child that you know will kill you??? Like???In this case she’s not the one with a child but she knows the story and she knows that the empero... Tallglassofwater
If we're talking logic it's not her place to make that decision and me an another person touched this subject on like the 3/4 page thing
No because the first contact we see of the FL with the villainess is when the ML bring the FL to his state and the Villainess is using black magic to try to get rid of the FL right there Val
That is after she comes to the palace because of rumors that the fl and the emperor were flirting and stuff so yeah that's going to happen. I'm talking abt the fl reaching out once she assessed the situation because in that page she had already chose to go after the emperor
They are NOT engaged and they NEVER were. That’s not cheating, the only reason the villainess approached the FL was to gain power and at the end kill him, if this was a story about the villainess and the FL t... Val
Please read the thread I have already said that I'm not exusing the vilainess at all what I'm saying is that the fl had more options but she chose to go after the ml because her was handsome and she thought what a shame. She doesn't and wouldn't have to put her life on the line if she chose to approach this a different way.
I understand why her family died and I agree that it was necessary. As for the og novel I thought her main goal was killing the emperor and creating some sort of "peaceful " world for black magicians was more o... toto
Yeah it was one of her main goal. To eliminate all the divine users as an act of revenge for her parents, reach the world of the gods using her son, kill the Emperor and create a world for black magicians in order for them to do what ever they want. The villainess doesn't want peaceful, she wants power for her desciples because she thinks she had the right regardless how many live will loss. If she wants peace, she should have not use and black magic towards her desciples. As a wizard, she had the obligation to be in harmony with divine users to create "peace" if that what she wants. The wizards and divine users are already at peace hence the magic tower supported by the Imperial family. Soleia instead brainwash the students there because she doesn't want harmony for her wizards, she wants more power for wizards. Those are her main goal.
Yes, indeed that she was an interesting character. But you have to consider the world building and the character structure that was made by the author. We already see her insights and views on things. Her intentions, values and morals are pretty clear. The author knows what she is doing and she can't just change the villainess perspective 180 degrees in order for us to be satisfied. The only way for the author to change her ways, is karma will bite her in the ass and take accountability to her actions. We can't just say, "because the author gave them no choice but to be this way". The author already had done enough for her character because there are other people on real life just like Soleia who had a sad past and chose violence instead of breaking the cycle. And I like the fact the author didn't romanticize her or use her trauma to put her on pedestal. This is why I like the villainess character. She is a Villainess not because she was misunderstood for the sake of the plot or because the readers like her and demand a redemption arc which is a huge pet peeves of mine. She became a villainess because of her choices and had made conscious decisions/actions and this is make the villainess competent in this story. Not a pity-party.
Oh yeah that's cool I get that lol part but at the same time I find her way of moving without properly thinking things through a bit annoying. And about her neice I don't know if her kingdom is conquered in the... toto
The FL has no other choice either way except intervention. You have to put your shoes in her situation. Her original role was so insignificant that she practically fighting with fate. A fate that even the gods can't interfere but she chose to interfere because she feels guilty if she just standby without preventing the death of the characters caused by the villainess and the future villain. She can't properly scheme her way through because her movements are limited. Her body easily gets easily fatigue just by walking around the land of Belgoth/Bellecourt. The best thing for her to do is to be practical because no one knows when will she suddenly die because every step she takes without divinity protecting her is a landmine. And she really had that not much advantage if she put herself out there to the villainess. Like I said, if we analyze the villainess and her behaviour and views, she is no softie. She won't change just like that but the first things she would do is to make an even more dangerous plan.
The FL had no any other cure other than divinity which is only temporary. Her only hope is Raulus (god's) blessing in which she has to wait to four more years because of taboos.
In the OG novel, the future villain did conquer the OG FL's kingdom. That's how far his obsession goes.
That's fine if you don't like his existence turned out but it was part of the world building that Yerenica was trying to prevent. The FL Yerenica is already walking on eggshells from the start and she has to do what she had to do and logically she has no time to agonize over a person who does not exist when there are more existing characters that are in danger of death that is staring right at her in the face.
If this was her story you would all hate the fl but because it's some fluffy story romanticizing cheating you guys are all for it. Like okay he doesn't love her but that doesn't mean he should neak around with ... toto
nah honestly if i read the story frok the villainess side, i wouldn't be mad at the FL. the FL isn't some dumb girl that just wants to take the ML, and she's not acting all innocent and cutesy either, she has a personality. The villainess is a legitimate villainess, and she's doesn't love the ML either??? like dude what's your point? no one is saying that it was okay to hunt down the villainess' family bc of dark magic, I'm pretty sure everyone think that's fucked up and I'm pretty sure the FL wouldn't have supported it either, the villainess is literally plotting to kill erudian and the FL is just there to stop it... I feel like u forgot the main plot of the story? if this story was told from the villainess' side there wouldn't be any romance.
About the ml of the original novel It just rubs me te wrong way cuz he isn't even given a chance at life just cause the author wrote him as an asshole it's like some sort of predestime prophesy for him that he ... toto
Ok so how is the fl a bitch if you think that what the Villainess is doing is wrong? The fl is saving not only the villain's dad but the villain himself, in no way is she a bitch when she's trying to prevent the death of characters she cares for.
Sorry guys(I'm not actually sorry but) but the fl is honestly the worst person here imo. If she already knows the storyline instead of getting with an engaged man... she could've reached out to our lovely red head villainess. Cuz she's butting in their relationship when (@the people who are in this debate would u mind if I made this into some discussion post/ q&a cuz it's getting hard to keep track of who's saying who)
what would she even say to the villainess
He wasn't engaged to the other woman. The other woman just has been latching on and acting like his finance.
I dunno man, FL isn’t really that powerful (practically allergic to the land) how is she supposed make the villainess any better. maybe you’ve read to many villainess redemption stories lol ╮(￣▽￣)╭
They are not even engaged yet, he doesn’t want to marry the red head because she’s a pain in the ass for him, but she was the only option left at the end because in the past he didn’t meet yerenica, now he actually loves yerenica and she likes him too and is trying to keep him safe so the only one butting into a relationship is the villainess ╮(￣▽￣)╭
He said it himself they were engaged politically
I get that but that doesn't justify destroying years of research fr her and she had other options but chose to take the man
Idk, Our FL is normal. you need to stop reading villainess for meantime (≧ω≦)/
What relationship it’s not like they are together or even like each other everyone keep saying the same thing they assumed red head and the emperor would get married cause she would run off every female that tried to come in contact with him not because of love he was marrying her just because and it still wasn’t a official like they was engaged or something
Who knows but looking at the backstory she only heald hostility toward the ml if they had gotten off as friends or smth like anything but mistress and the fiancee instead of him treating her like a glass doll then she could've also helped her with her magic allergy
He said that polítically she was the best option to get married to but he never said they were engaged
i dont know if you missed the memo but she was isekaid to the timeline before the stories main characters were even fucking walking. And the details of the "lovely read head villainess" that were given was that she was an evil bitch who used her son as an experiment. Sure lets say she talks to soleia how it would go:
Her: soleia you should give up and become a better person.
Soleia: tf you stupid? *kills her*
Her:.............
Her: ................( oh sorry thats right SHES FUCKING DEAD.) (׬×)
i dont know if you missed the memo but she was isekaid to the timeline before the stories main characters were even fucking walking. And the details of the "lovely read head villainess" that were given was that she was an evil bitch who used her son as an experiment. Sure lets say she talks to soleia how it would go:
Her: soleia you should give up and become a better person.
Soleia: tf you stupid? *kills her*
Her:.............
Her: ................( oh sorry thats right SHES FUCKING DEAD.) (׬×)
*when* she could work to be some sort of way to communicate that way they'd be able to either dissipate the engagement if needed or continue with a better relationship.
And I honestly hate the fact that by doing this she could wipe the existence of not only the child that was supposed to be born between them but multiple others of that world, let's not mention how Mr. engaged man is always thinking that our red haired goddess is always up to something evil because of this unfair prejudice he's built up for no reason.
She on the other hand has evry right to hate him because of how her family was just massacred without reason just cuz they were researching black magic. ヽ(`Д´)ﾉ and idk about that world but so far there is nothing that is talking about black magic being the same as black magic in other genres and imo in that world if they don't research it then how are they gonna know how to notice and undo it if It really is that bad. And my second reason to hate him is because originally the fl wasn't perceived as a threat and if they had meet and became friends she could've been able to unravel all this but instead she choses to do smth that's honestly an asshole move and get into a secret relationship with the emperor.
Tell me, what the hell would you even say to someone like the Antagonist? It’s not like some other novels where the MC is suddenly a therapist #－.－)
If this was her story you would all hate the fl but because it's some fluffy story romanticizing cheating you guys are all for it. Like okay he doesn't love her but that doesn't mean he should neak around with the fl while still being engaged. And I hate the fact that due to the fl he is plotting a way to get rid of the villainess and the magic tower. For what? All for one bitch that can't be exposed to magic
Because she new that a good man was to be murdered by his own son because of the influence of his mother, she’s trying to save him and some ended up falling in love with him
So just randomly going after an engaged man is normal?
U sound real dumb... Her body can't withstand magic. If she were to take the villainess then wouldn't she die? And what makes think that the villainess will stop her evil plan? This whole story is about saving the Villain’s dad if she were to take the villainess can u guarantee that she can save the Dad? No end of discussion
No because the first contact we see of the FL with the villainess is when the ML bring the FL to his state and the Villainess is using black magic to try to get rid of the FL right there
he isn't engaged man.
No the mc doesn't need to be a therapist cuz that honestly wouldn't be a good thing, it's not her job nor place. But the mc and the villainess could've ended up as smth else if the mc wasn't so focused on making him break the engagement. We were shown by the author that the villainess only holds hostility towards the emperor so if she was able to meet the the mc while she was still a new hostage her magic allergy could be explained which would also work in favor of the mc. They have so many things that they could've been but the author chose to put them in a box and say whelp this is it.
Oh wait.. Isn't the engaged man gonna die? Wow, u sound so smart.. Who hurt u babes?
That is not what would happen at all. She's someone with trauma not someone who involves outsiders in her business. The mc doesn't know why she committed those actions in the novel but if she chose not to be a threat at her revenge towards the emperor rather than a bystander (because atp there is no way her neice is getting involved) then the vilainess could at least get closure
He said engaged and so did she
He didn’t build it up for no reason, and even if they got married she could wipe the existence of that child and any other person that stands in her way because she didn’t care about her own child she only cared about the power she was going to gain she could care less about the child, the father of the child and the rest of the world
They are engaged and if she's a pain in the ass then he should take care of that by himself and find legal means to get her to leave him alone. Honestly the only reason she even went after Yemeni yerenica is cuz she was a threat in her revenge plot. So if he had sorted it all out if the first place she wouldn't even have had to go through that traumatic incident in her palace
Idk if this comment is going to be at the top but a lot of u guys are confusing me hating the fact that the fl chose to go after an engaged man with me excusing soleia's behavior. Soliea's attacks against her were unnecessary and imo inexcusable. Just because she's a threat doesn't mean she should be eliminated. I'm just stating the fact that the fl chose the worst and honestly most dangerous choice out fo the numéro relationships she could've chosen to develop as a hostage.
That's another thing. What are people who use devine power going to do abt a magic allergy. Trying to eradicate magic from that country is a temporary solution. Asking the leader of the tower to help and research would have produced better outcomes but why aren't they doing that. Not to mention soliea doesn't just walk around with magical energy so just ebung around her would be fine for our fl soliea just has to not use magic around her.
They are NOT engaged and they NEVER were. That’s not cheating, the only reason the villainess approached the FL was to gain power and at the end kill him, if this was a story about the villainess and the FL the end would still have a child who killed his father bc his mother made him do it, it would not change her personality or the way the story of would end and if I read something like that I would still hate the villainess
Ok you need to understand that first of all they didnt just willy nilly go "oh hey they researching black magic? Lets kill them for the heck it" no they had to kill them because black magic is a heinous type of magic. Black magic is known in this world as magic that can control other peoples bodies and minds against their will and it can also kill them. Its magic suitably for the evil and just fucking imagine the research theyd be conducting to "try and stop it" like you do know that it can involve human sacrifice and experiments at certain points right. ITS MAGIC THAT CAN VIOLATE A HUMANS RIGHTS. ok moving on to the next subject and please listen up, they are NOT engaged. Ok one more time. They are NOT, in any way, engaged. So not hes not cheating her i mean shes trying everything she can to get him to accept her as a fiancee and its not working. And just to be even more clear hes not trying to wipe out the magic tower for some "bitch that cant be exposed to magic". Even before the FL arrived hes always been trying to wipe out the tower since theyre being shady. Now that hes confirmed that theyre black magicians he needs proof and he needs to cleanse the tower now. So yeah the fact that hell get rid of danger for her too is icing on the cake. Before you say something, think deeper.
Yeah honestly that's pretty shitty of the villainess imo cuz a child shouldn't be used in ur revenge plot but it still doesn't sit right me just cuz like in the book he was able to live his life wrong decisions and all but now it's just like wow so if she does this he won't ever exist to me
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I mean wow.. U sound like a fucking bitch in real life..... “The only reason she went after Yerenica is cause she got in the way” somehow she almost killing Yerenica and the Erudian is ok but when Yerenica is trying to save the life of a man she's suddenly a bitch. Yerenica tried severely different methods in making the Erudian drop the engagement but he didn't so she had no choice but to seduce him. Solielia or whatever she's called ruined a child's life but somehow that's ok. Erudian didn't have enough proof that Solielia was using black magic and he ended up dying. If you're gonna make a shit comment like this in a perfectly good story the stop reading, nobody asked u to read in the first place. U read the summary and u still decide to read it. So y r u talking?
No bc as I said before the first thing the villainess did after seeing the FL was attack her with black magic, also the villainess has resolved what she wanted early in her life when she was an apprentice of the mage, it’s shown that she hated the ML even before actually getting to know him when they were just kids, so she could’ve done something different but she didn’t, also black magic is highly illegal so they punished them with what was the punishment according to that crime in that time
she was being logical, why the hell would someone CHOOSE to keep a child that you know will kill you??? Like???In this case she’s not the one with a child but she knows the story and she knows that the emperors child will kill him
They stated it at the beginning of the story
I can't help but joining the comments as well. Heck, this one has the most replies.
I agree with Bureau here, before anything can happen, Yerenika can't communicate with Sol, the Villainess (sorry it's hard to spell so I shorten it). Her body is weak and for that to happen, she could have die first. If you are in her shoes, with that weak rejected body, do you think you can even talk nicely to the Villainess? She can't even stay conscious!
From her pov, the best target would be Erudian, since he is closer and she need her too to stay alive. Sure, your moral sense might feel like this isn't right. But Yerenika get closer to Erudian knowing full well that both don't have any feelings toward each other. It is political-based relationship and I recall that it's not even official, isn't it? Forgive me if I'm wrong.
For now, I think this is the best route to go with. I do hope that Sol will one day feel at peace and no longer feel hatred toward whoever she hates. But, tbh, her goal is somehow quite crazy, impossible, and isn't very humane either. But yeah, who knows if something will happen after this and she can have a changed heart or something. I do hope for the best ending of all characters of possible.
Uhm... Excuse me for a second but you can just sign or file (is that how you say it?) or just completely cut off the engagement...paper or something since it was arranged and they don't love each other either and doesn't mean someone's engaged to someone doesn't mean they love each other. Also black magic AND using black magic is a big taboo in their world since it's likely forbidden by their own god in their world so uhh
That honestly imo isn't being logical, if we take into account that the fl knows the storyline but not the reason for the emperor being killed, and the magic allegry then it would've been more helpful to her cause to gain insight on soliea because now she knows that they aren't just characters. If there is no good output then I would understand her going after the ml instead but she has no excuse in the situation. Her was just the more handsome choice to make.
Ifk abt the good man part because after she learned that they weren't just characters then she also knows only what the author told her not what was real just the cover story type stuff but not the motivating factor leading to it
I'm so tired of this misunderstanding. You clearly have not read the story well. The Villainess was not engage to the Emperor. Everyone only expect it because she is the best candidate politically. She in only a candidate Empress which means, any woman can still take the position besides her but she sabotage them instead. She only self-proclaiming herself as one. It was confirmed by Erudian that he was not engage to her but he will consider the possibility if he had no choice. It was even confirmation by Diego that their are not engage. I suggest you should read the chapters again if you want to
lol maybe she should have been Naruto “therapy no jutsu” hahahaha ╮(￣▽￣)╭
Again, the Emperor and the villainess are not engage politically. You even forget that at the first meeting between the FL and the Villainess. The FL considered to befriend her instead of marrying the Emperor but the Villainess attempted to murder her at first sight without reason. Now, as a rational person with common sense, why on earth you would not stay far way from person who attempted to send her soul to hell at first meeting?
And give me an very good explanation on why the FL has to be therapist when she is not obligated to do so and the FL has every valid reason to stay away from her. This is a toxic mindset unless you are "professional therapist". The FL has no time to be someones therapist when she is literally dying everyday so she pick the most practical choice and did you forget that the villainess mere presence is toxic to the fl because she reeks of black magic? So why on earth would she risk it all when she ESPECIALLY knows that the villainess is all out on killing her. Not all world building could be solve in a power of friendship lol.
The Villainess has no valid reason for her revenge so stop create some scenarios that justifies her intentions. Her parents got executed by using and studying black magic. You know why black magic was forbidden by the empire? Because black magic requires the sacrifice of a human body, necromancy and dragging souls into hell. They are a bunch of murderers. Yerenica repeatedly explains it a few times unless you have missed why they are forbidden. Her family has lots of victims and those are the people from Belgoth. So that's why the previous Emperor (ML's father) executed them to bring justice to their victims and to his people. So what does Soleia had the rights to take revenge when her side was in the wrong in the first place and take note that she knows what she was doing. She thinks they were oppress when her kind is the most privilege creatures (wizards) on land along with divine users. Wizards are free to use and study magic anytime and anywhere they want. They were only forbidden to study black magic because it requires murder. So why on earth they feel oppress?
I never said she had to be a therapist but honestly if you take into consideration the facts the fl is more at risk going after the cuz now the villainess has reason to come after her and she only knows that she's cruel to people who cause after the emperor so it's a pretty dumb choice to make. Another thing is people who use divine power can't help her with her magic allergy nor are they able to create an environment that is completely safe for her. Ik it's risky but there is nothing in the novel that says if she reached out for help she would get killed off.
Pls read the whole thread b4 commenting cuz I alrdy addressed this(⌒▽⌒)
I alrdy said this to another person and made a post abt this but I am in no way supporting the way the villainess chooses to get revenge and honestly I believe that the empire should only kill those that preform black magic not study it because with lack of knowledge on something like that opens up door way to a lot of threats which is probably how she was able to successfully get her revenge in the original novel, but I do sympathize with the villainess because at that time she was a child who had no involvement and idk what her parents were doing but they were her world at that time. It's perfectly normal for her to want revenge because they were her family even though they were probably terrible people. And studying black magic doesn't need to include letting ppl perform and observing I'm talking about studying crime scenes and past events.
The villainess is in contract with a demon that senses the FL as a threat therefore shesll be targeted either way. Also the villainess is on a one track road to annihilating everyone so what you're suggesting about her reaching out to the villainess won't make a difference since the villainess would just kill her for reasons of being a nuisance and also someone who knows her being a black magician and also her plans of a mix of power baby. Anyways there is nothing in the novel that says if she reached out for help shell get killed off but there are also context clues in why she cant just carelessly reach out. Also if she were to reveal her knowing the storyline wouldnt that just give the villainess a more definite reason to chase her down and kill her since she knows what the villainess is planning? And its a common flow of thought for anyone to believe that if they were to confess that they know whats gonna happen next and that its a novels world then shell be called crazy.
And I find it hypocritical of you don't like it that the FL is preventing the existence of a villain who will commit massive distraction, tyranny and genocide just because he was obsess with a girl who doesn't even want his ass. And here you are saying the villainess has a valid reason to hate on the ML when the ML was a child at that time so it's not his fault. He basically has no authority to command the execution of the family. And why would you blame the ML for being on guard with her when he has every reason to. First, the ML already knows the scandal that the Villainess makes in order to destroy the other ladies who wants to be a candidate Empress, she also destroys someone's reputation in order for things to go her way and while she is being a bitch to other people, she acts like an innocent love-sick person to him. That is huge red flag to him because he knows she is being fake and has the intention to stab him in the back.
About the ml of the original novel It just rubs me te wrong way cuz he isn't even given a chance at life just cause the author wrote him as an asshole it's like some sort of predestime prophesy for him that he can't escape from which is honestly sad if you consider the environment he was raised in. And I'm not saying that she's doing the wrong thing but there are more options and methods she could go by that could also benefit her more that what she's doing with less trials as well. And another thing please read the rest of the thread before commenting cuz I alrdy stated that I don't support the way the villainess plots her revenge but I do understand she acts that way due to her past but it's still messed up to me the way she's okay with using her child as a tool for revenge.
Ofc ik she can't just come out and say ik what's going to happen in the future and you're a black magician
Lmaoo
Just like you said, the empire should only punish the one who perform black magic. The villainess family DID perform black magic. Her family both perform and study black magic and they mostly inflict those to ordinary citizen and made them as their human experiments. Believe me I read the novel. The translators here in the manhwa chose another phrase in order for it to be different from other translators. It was actually said, 'The old family who practiced black magic" , instead of "studying of black magic". And no she was not successful with her revenge in the OG novel. She wants to create a world where black magicians could rule and by doing that, she needs to fulfill her contact to the demon god Hades and that is to help Hades go back to Judetta but it became a big fat fail when her future son lose his divinity as punishment so her contact with Hades was unsuccessful especially that her pawn which is her son, died or defeated by the OG FL AND OG ML.
And also I do understand her past but this won't make me pity her because she is already an adult who already see the world. She is not sheltered anymore. She was at the right age to feel conscience and practice basic human decency. To contemplate why her parents died. So she has no excuse. We can only pray for her that she will get a redemption arc but overall no one is responsible to the villainess and you can't blame other characters for that.
Yeah, I know already that you don't excuse her. But it rubs me the wrong way when you called the FL a bitch when she has done nothing wrong. She already doing the best she can to prevent a future distraction that will happen. Take note that the FL's niece (OG FL) is will face a bigger trauma because of the future villain's obsession towards her. And as for the future villain, it is better for him to not exist in this Life rather than let him suffer at the abuse and brainwash he will face if the Villainess became his mother. The FL is already fighting the unbreakable cycle of tragedy so she had no other choice.
I understand why her family died and I agree that it was necessary. As for the og novel I thought her main goal was killing the emperor and creating some sort of "peaceful " world for black magicians was more of a side goal because that would be something she would have to do afterwards. And I get ur view on her behaviors as an adult but imo she's still a child In the body of an adult cuz she's recklessly plotting all this without covering her tracks and evrything which is also another thing that's probably going to lead to her downfall in future episodes.
Honestly her character has so much potential and I love how complicated she is cuz she's the most realistic character to me after seeing the way the emperor's acting just cuz of love and the way the fl didn't take into account the possibility of her losing her life while chasing after him and then just demanding that he punish her while knowing that he doesn't have enough material to doir so she seems like a watered down (i was gonna use trashtasha but that would just be unfair to her) version of that blondie in untouchable lady except out to try and save the world.
It feels like the story would be better if the author had given us more insight into the thought process of the villainess and instead of making them enemies gave them a relationship where they're in-between because they each have their own individual goals and that would also make the story more interesting and different to read cuz idk how to properly put this down in writing but they have more to give to each other than they would if one of them died. And it's just crazy cuz if they got along better the villainess would probably be closer to getting over qhat happened in the past and the fl has so much more to benefit from that happening
(Do u mind if I make this debate a discussion post cuz it's getting hard to keep track of where everyone's responses are)
Oh yeah that's cool I get that lol part but at the same time I find her way of moving without properly thinking things through a bit annoying. And about her neice I don't know if her kingdom is conquered in the future but I think the her niece would be safe if she successfully stays alive as a hostage until negotiations are over and the og ml idk abt that cuz I'd rather he have a chance but at the same time ik through experience that trauma like that is smth that he's most likely going to go through and that if she successfully had created a better relationship with the vilainess he probably won't exist in that time line either so at this point i still don't like the way his existence comes into play because it's like he has two choices and a third but almost impossible choice.
But somehow Yerenica is still the bad guy
Yes and no I just find her oblivious and annoying due to the fact that she chose the path with the most obstacles not because she wanted to be empress but because he's hot. Honestly no matter how hot a person is your life should still be put at the top bar on ur list of things you want to protect and then it's how she acts so suprise when she gets attacked by the vilainess when she knows that it's going to happen cuz she chose to go after the emperor. And if we bring morals into the stage it's honestly weird 5o me how she choses to be some sort of super mistress who's trying to kick out the main girl knowing that the main girl could kill her in her sleep. I just need her to actually think things through for once cuz girlie's putting her life on the line with that option and she's not setting anything up to defend herself from the vilainess
Add to the debate or don't comment pls cuz it's wasting energy btw it's smarter to go after the murder rather than the victim when nothings going to happen to him yet
If we're talking logic it's not her place to make that decision and me an another person touched this subject on like the 3/4 page thing
That is after she comes to the palace because of rumors that the fl and the emperor were flirting and stuff so yeah that's going to happen. I'm talking abt the fl reaching out once she assessed the situation because in that page she had already chose to go after the emperor
Please read the thread I have already said that I'm not exusing the vilainess at all what I'm saying is that the fl had more options but she chose to go after the ml because her was handsome and she thought what a shame. She doesn't and wouldn't have to put her life on the line if she chose to approach this a different way.
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Yeah it was one of her main goal. To eliminate all the divine users as an act of revenge for her parents, reach the world of the gods using her son, kill the Emperor and create a world for black magicians in order for them to do what ever they want. The villainess doesn't want peaceful, she wants power for her desciples because she thinks she had the right regardless how many live will loss. If she wants peace, she should have not use and black magic towards her desciples. As a wizard, she had the obligation to be in harmony with divine users to create "peace" if that what she wants. The wizards and divine users are already at peace hence the magic tower supported by the Imperial family. Soleia instead brainwash the students there because she doesn't want harmony for her wizards, she wants more power for wizards. Those are her main goal.
Yes, indeed that she was an interesting character. But you have to consider the world building and the character structure that was made by the author. We already see her insights and views on things. Her intentions, values and morals are pretty clear. The author knows what she is doing and she can't just change the villainess perspective 180 degrees in order for us to be satisfied. The only way for the author to change her ways, is karma will bite her in the ass and take accountability to her actions. We can't just say, "because the author gave them no choice but to be this way". The author already had done enough for her character because there are other people on real life just like Soleia who had a sad past and chose violence instead of breaking the cycle. And I like the fact the author didn't romanticize her or use her trauma to put her on pedestal. This is why I like the villainess character. She is a Villainess not because she was misunderstood for the sake of the plot or because the readers like her and demand a redemption arc which is a huge pet peeves of mine. She became a villainess because of her choices and had made conscious decisions/actions and this is make the villainess competent in this story. Not a pity-party.
(I don't mind to put this on discussion)
The FL has no other choice either way except intervention. You have to put your shoes in her situation. Her original role was so insignificant that she practically fighting with fate. A fate that even the gods can't interfere but she chose to interfere because she feels guilty if she just standby without preventing the death of the characters caused by the villainess and the future villain. She can't properly scheme her way through because her movements are limited. Her body easily gets easily fatigue just by walking around the land of Belgoth/Bellecourt. The best thing for her to do is to be practical because no one knows when will she suddenly die because every step she takes without divinity protecting her is a landmine. And she really had that not much advantage if she put herself out there to the villainess. Like I said, if we analyze the villainess and her behaviour and views, she is no softie. She won't change just like that but the first things she would do is to make an even more dangerous plan.
The FL had no any other cure other than divinity which is only temporary. Her only hope is Raulus (god's) blessing in which she has to wait to four more years because of taboos.
In the OG novel, the future villain did conquer the OG FL's kingdom. That's how far his obsession goes.
That's fine if you don't like his existence turned out but it was part of the world building that Yerenica was trying to prevent. The FL Yerenica is already walking on eggshells from the start and she has to do what she had to do and logically she has no time to agonize over a person who does not exist when there are more existing characters that are in danger of death that is staring right at her in the face.
nah honestly if i read the story frok the villainess side, i wouldn't be mad at the FL. the FL isn't some dumb girl that just wants to take the ML, and she's not acting all innocent and cutesy either, she has a personality. The villainess is a legitimate villainess, and she's doesn't love the ML either??? like dude what's your point? no one is saying that it was okay to hunt down the villainess' family bc of dark magic, I'm pretty sure everyone think that's fucked up and I'm pretty sure the FL wouldn't have supported it either, the villainess is literally plotting to kill erudian and the FL is just there to stop it... I feel like u forgot the main plot of the story? if this story was told from the villainess' side there wouldn't be any romance.
Ok so how is the fl a bitch if you think that what the Villainess is doing is wrong? The fl is saving not only the villain's dad but the villain himself, in no way is she a bitch when she's trying to prevent the death of characters she cares for.
its not normal, but its not random either. and there isnt even love in their engagement... like u said before its political