mashiiro's Topics (7)

Ahh . The downvote was an accidental tap

Thank youuu

That's literally how tan looks like in irl It honestly sucks but that's how it is

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Yea i agree! The husband is also suffering along with the wife. So to solely blame the husband for not knowing what wrong with his wife is ridiculous. The wife doesn’t know she have anxiety and depression. Truthfully no one deserves to be blame. Yes the mother made a horrible mistake luckily she wasn’t beating her child or doing anything like that (i hope) but neglecting him isn’t any better even though I understand depression really do take over someone to the point where they want to commit sucide or avoid, hurt and neglect the people they love. They don’t mean to do it and they want to be able to love but it’s gets really hard when you have depression especially severe depression.

But i do disgree with the example you used. Truthfully I wouldn’t hate my mother if she had depression and was neglecting me because of it. I would forgive her it would of course be hard to forget what she did but i would forgive her because i know she didn’t mean to neglect me and that she really do love me but she have a hard time showing it. I can’t blame her for something she can’t control especially if she didn’t know she had it.

The husband and wife was both young when they had a kid and gotten married even though I truthfully do not agree with what the husband said at the end of chapter 15 but it had to come out since that actually made the wife talk about how she was feeling.

fr tho i feel like all the people hating on the husband were also the ones who judged ercella before her story was told. like don't judge him solely because of ercella's pov yfeel like there's more to it than what's shown.

i feel like you’re one of those people who act like signs of mental illness aren’t smth to be taken seriously. depression isn’t as easy/simple as just getting sad and choosing one day to just neglect your child. imo, she did try loving her child in the beginning and in the end, she was so confused why she couldn’t despite her efforts. depression is complex and it literally alters a person’s brain and makes them act a certain way which in this case was her neglecting her child. her saying that her baby “doesn’t look like her baby” should’ve clued you in on that fact.

if none of those tragic events happened in her life, i’m sure she would’ve had the capacity to love her child, but she was fighting a lonely battle and her husband not even taking the time to comfort her certainly didn’t help.

and to be honest, for me she does truly regret what she did as a mother. even in the first chapter while she was dying, the one last thing she wanted to say before she died was that she loved vicente.

finally, someone has said it. I should thank an ml like this that didn't force her to do something. I am touched, foe the fl she's trying to escape the situation without facing it, she had depression, yes but I can't forget what the maid said on ct 2: just because you have a baby mean that you had to give up your golden flowered life, it makes me think that at that moment she was also selfish to the son because of her golden flowered life?

I understand what you’re saying but it’s not solely the husband fault. The husband also have things going on especially when he had to go to war at 16-19. They were both young and with a child. That probably affected him and he also have to constantly work. He didn’t know what was going on with his wife but he also didn’t take the time to find out. Truthfully i just feel like no one should put all the blame and hate on the husband when he is always going through thing or been through things just like her. I don’t blame neither the husband or the wife but i do wished the husband was a bit more caring and actually took the time to pay attention to his wife.

I read the cp 15 but I agree with the husband because he didn't know that the wife was reincarnated and in a bleak of time after 15 yaas she started interesting in the son I will act the same way because I will feel suspicions about this changing of behavior, she didn't even know anything of the son he was a stranger for her.

i don't think the op was disregarding her mental illness but just pointing out the fact that it wasn't considered a major issue the way it is today. males in that time period didn't carry the social stigma of having to take care of the emotional needs of their family, especially when their marriage wasn't based on love. and as for truly regretting her decisions, we won't know until it's fully explained. many people feel guilty for a number of reasons as their life ends and could regret their actions. obviously, since this is a shoujo, it's hard to come to the conclusion that she's doing this out of guilt, but who knows what the author is going to pull on us ╮(￣▽￣)╭ all i'm saying is that there is a lot left to be explained so who's to say what will happen :-)

the husband is not perfect he can't divide himself into 2 I remember in this last chapter what she says when he is trying to find what she is going true she didn't replay at the end she accused him of everything when is not his fault. everything is on his shoulder when the father died

Mental health something I take extremely serious and I have lost people in my life to it so I don’t think you have the right to determine whether or not I take it seriously based on a comment I made about a webtoon with made up characters.

Never in my previous comment did I say depression was something easy or simple. I also didn’t invalidate her feelings, I simply put that in this setting they don’t even understand that depression is a thing, no one knows wtf is wrong with her, especially her. And even if her depression and her feelings are VALID they’re not an EXCUSE for treating her kid like he doesn’t exist or hating her kid. Things like that happen and unfortunately that is common and she can have a reason for doing that (her depression) but it is not excused. She doesn’t deserve to feel that way and her he son also doesn’t deserve to grow up with his mother hating him and him thinking he ruined her life.

Yeah that’s so fair, my example wasn’t the best. I just used it cause I’ve seen it in real life how that affects a child growing up and how it changes them. Everyone is different when it comes to their own parents, so your reaction is totally valid.

I are you agreeing with what i said or disagreeing?

Yes I understand! Every person is different and not everyone would do what i said or what you said they have their own responses if their mother or father neglected them.

Yeah but he could have worded it differently. At the end of the day she is still his mother and she does have every right to be involved in his life even if she was or wasn’t their for him for the first 15 year of his life. She is trying to make up for it and it’s gonna take a lot of time for her to fully gain her son trust back but I’m glad she reincarnated and chose to right her wrongs not just reincarnated and continue making the same mistakes. I’m not blaming the husband since he have every right to be suspicious but truthfully there are thing you can and can’t say to someone who is already depressed and regretting everything. (Of course it’s not like he knew she was depressed though.)

I agree

He's attacking the fl , and I hope they will resolve and start a new life

Agreed

ig i’m more mad that there are people who are strict with the mother, but not the father. in this case, both of them neglected their child. it’s not like the father was all loving and caring towards vicente either. remember, he didn’t even care abt vicente’s opinion when he tried marrying him off already at a young age. so many ppl like OP here are quick to defend the father and sympathize with him and tell others to stop hating him, but are also quick to brush aside the mother’s feelings abt the situation, having lost her family members and giving birth at a young age. it just seems wrong no matter which way you look at it.

i mean yeah sure, if you sympathizing with the father and only defending him while putting pressure on the mother counts as you “not invalidating her feelings”. if we’re going by your logic, then the husband doesn’t deserve to be excused too for neglecting his child and not comforting his wife after everything he went through. yet you’re out here defending only him and telling others to stop hating on him? it’s not like the husband was all loving and caring towards vicente either. i’m pretty sure vicente was raised by his maids. he didn’t hate him, but there were no scenes to suggest that they were close to each other either.

Literally no one in the comments that I’ve seen is strict on the mother. Everyone is literally shitting and hating on the father. So far i haven’t seen any comments talking bad about the mother. At the end of the day no one should talk bad about the mother or the father. The mother have depression and the father was raised to be the way he is. Of course he didn’t go as far as to neglect his son like the mother did but he also wasn’t loving towards his son either. Also you need to remember that this is told in a different time period. It’s normal in this time period for people to marry their kids off at a young age. Hell vicente parents is the prime example of that. They had a political marriage. The father is doing what most fathers in this time period do they educate and raise their son to be the next successor so it’s normal in that time period for father to act that way.

literally “no one”? you ok? there are some people who say they feel bad for the father rather than the mother, saying that she still shouldn’t have neglected her child and you’re literally saying that?

and nah he did neglect him still. it’s not like he was the one who educated vicente personally. i’m pretty sure he just passed him off to his tutors. both of them didn’t give vicente the proper love and attention you would give a child which also counts as neglect.

The mother isn’t any better than the father. They both have issues. Yes the mother issues is worser then the father but they both have problems. You’re putting the sole blame on the father like everything is his fault when it isn’t. So “are you ok?”

And i meant exactly what i said. She shouldn’t have neglected her child or blame her child because none of it is that child fault but guess what? SHE DID. and now there a reason to why she did it and that because she have depression. She didn’t want to neglect her child and she truly wanted to love her child and show her child love but because of her depression and anxiety she couldn’t show her child the love she wanted to.

If you can read im not blaming the mother for neglecting her child. I’ve said more than once that it wasn’t her fault. But don’t just pin everything on the father like it’s his fault that she neglected the son. Because it’s not. The father and mother both have issues but to solely blame the mother or the father just aint it. More people is hating on the father then the mother. People love the mother more than the father. Quit trying to justify yourself and “justify” why the father is shitty. NO ONE. Not the mother or the father should be blame. It not their fault. So let it go.

yep they both have issues. but my point is, like OP here, people are excusing the father for his neglectful actions towards the mother and his child and condensing it to a few, “oh that’s okay because it’s normal for him to be like that during that time period bc he was raised that way”. op even said to stop hating on the husband and sympathizing with him before going off on a rant abt the mother and how her mental illness didn’t excuse her actions.

are you sure you’re getting my point?

yep and the father also neglected the child. no one’s saying it’s his fault that she neglected the son. and i’m not pinning everything on him. but it certainly would’ve helped for him to comfort the mother instead of just trying to send her off somewhere to go on a vacation as his own means of helping her lol. or are you going to tell me that a stoic husband who doesn’t try to comfort his wife is normal during that time period too?

How about you? Are you also saying that to the people who is solely blaming the husband? Are do you just care about people not hating on the mother but could careless if they hate on the father?

At the end of the day both the mother and the father have issues and is both at fault for neglecting their child and mentally hurting their child. Don’t put all the blame on one person.

The op shouldn’t have made it seem like the mother mental health isn’t important. But the other commenters shouldn’t be putting all the blame on the father as if he knew what was going on with her.

They both need to talk it out with each other and learn how to communicate. They need to become a better family for their son.

I’m tired of going back and forth with you especially when you’re not listening and just wanna blame the husband since he didn’t “do good enough” for your taste.

At the end of the day they both have issues and yes the husband should have comfort the wife but it’s clear that he doesn’t know how. Him sending her off to vacation was his weird way of comforting her of course that was a terrible way. The husband and the wife needs to talk and work things out so they can become a better family.

So thanks for the conversation and i hope you have a wonderful day/evening/night.

...then you probably shouldn’t have commented on my reply lol esp bc it was only OP that i was zeroing in on abt their biased judgment. excusing the father for his actions bc it’s what’s apparently “normal” in the society. but also putting the pressure on the mother and saying that she shouldn’t be excused just bc of her mental illness?

and god, it’s not like i was the one who said that everything should be blamed on the father. did i ever say that? nope. maybe you’re the one not listening here.

From my point of view, I think that the ml was raised in that way, one of the only time the ml disobey is when he chose the fl with a big consequence that only he suffered,, I think he chose her because he loves her , but the fl continue to say that he was the best choice and that word can confuse .and in that era man believed that women have the duty to take care of the children when a man goes to work and I think in this 2021 there are people who think so with there mentality, when her sister tells her that she was fortunate I think he means that she has a man who does everything for him and have a child without a problem and without the responsibility of a princess , I reaper as I see the ml is not perfect but he care, she has everything but not love and I think the ml has to refrain his self because he didn't understand the fl feeling. the big problem is that both of them are expecting something from each other

I sympathize with both but I’m not excusing either. Excusing means that it’s justified, that it’s OK she did that to her kid. It’s not ok, it’s UNDERSTANDABLE cause she was depressed but it’s not OK. That’s it, that’s all I’m trying to say. Like I said the mom has her reasons for acting the way she did towards her son but it is not excused, and same goes for the dad. I was “defending” him cause everyone wanted to point fingers at him while not acknowledging that the wife was also at fault so I can see how my og post looked biased. The husbands only involvement with his kid is his education while the mother is supposed to nurture/raise him. Yeah that’s “normal” here but did I say that was an excuse? No. He had a bunch of shit to deal with too and cause of that he ended up neglecting his wife. Is that excused? No but it’s understandable why that happened same with the wife and her depression. Yeah they were both shit parents anyone with eyes can see that but you can’t solely blame one or excuse certain behavior.

yeah see your post did come across to me that way esp since you started it off defending the father and telling others how he’s like that only bc he was raised that way, only to end it with putting pressure on the mother even tho she’s also only a victim of her circumstances. you even called out the people who were defending her.

i feel like if you worded your post in the way that you did in this reply, i would’ve agreed since they’re both really at fault for neglecting their child.