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Right I don’t understand when they say it’s “rape” he’s literally NOT pulling away :^

so why was he ogasming more than once and why all the tome his di** was up. Compare it to the previous rape chapter at the pavilion when his di** was flaccid.

Because everyone knows the human body will always work regardless. Man.. people like you are the reason why it's hard for male rape victims to speak up. It was rape.

Totally agreed with you and I mentioned the same in my comment earlier that this is not rape, etc... some people need the author detail if the scene is rape or not because they are lacking in the comprehension department. Rape is not a word to be vocalizing carelessly... I can’t with some of these mofos on this website.

ok so if you are that smart saying its biological reaction then why he dudnt have the SAME BIOLOGICAL reaction at the pavillion

they complain and they still read it every Friday lol

yes yes make excuses and stories whatever makes your feel confortable but It diesnt mesn what you say is right'

that's YOUR interpretation but other people are emtitled to THEIR OWN interpretation and you need to understand that and not judge others!

it is 100% rape

no you're just a dumbs

im 33 years old and feel like there are children on the other side. Get back to your books these topics are not for you

youre the person debating online about what rape is. The body is going to have natural reactions towards being touched, regardless of whether the person consents or not. As someone who has seen firsthand someone's rape case being dropped simpy because the victim's body had released fluids, it is not a statement you should be making. He is literally constantly saying no not to mention the psychological changes he is forcing himself to go through to make himself think that the rape is his fault. If someone says no then its no, regardless of if you think they are enjoying it

Okay, but why did you bring in age for? Clearly older doesn't mean wiser. No matter how you look at this, it's rape. Spell it out for me. R. A. P. E.

are you serious..? you have such a rapist mindset it's - scary. that was rape. he did not want it. god, you sound like one of those people who say " they must have enjoyed it " when you find out someone has been raped. nakyum getting a boner was a natural reaction. whether you want it or not if you hit certain nerves around your private areas, you WILL get hard/wet. you said "he doesn't pull away", do you understand how mentally exhausting rape is??? he is tired. he is physically and mentally weak, he cannot pull away. and even if he might have some romantic interest in seungho, it's STILL RAPE. just like how women get raped by their husbands, or how anyone can get fucking raped by their partner. "says no but means yes" dude HOW do you know that. he looks like he genuinely wants him to stop. they don't have a safeword. you don't fucking know whether he "mEaNs yEs'' when he says no, and the fact that you assume that is disgusting. no is no unless the person themselves states otherwise. i'm not saying i dislike this story. the plot is amazing and it's written very well. but there IS rape. just because people are saying that there's rape doesn't mean they don't adore the story. they're just stating a fact. it's fucking rape.

A quote from a therapist working with rape victims.

"Quite simply, our bodies respond to sex. And our bodies respond to fear. Our bodies respond. They do so uniquely and often entirely without our permission or intention. Orgasm during rape isn't an example of an expression of pleasure. It's an example of a physical response whether the mind's on board or not, like breathing, sweating, or an adrenaline rush"


"…the induction of arousal and orgasm does not indicate that the subjects consented to the stimulation. A perpetrator's defense simply built upon the fact that evidence of genital arousal or orgasm proves consent has no intrinsic validity"

Nuf said.

I will ask you again : what are you still doing here and reading manga that includes RAPE as you call it ? I enjoy it because reading it doesnt affect my life at all. But if it triggers you then just leave and read some fluffu manga and no it wasnt rape lol

yes I am older and wiser for this reason I dont get triggered by fiction

I’ve read this thread and I believe honestly no need to mince words but you’re basically the most disgusting person I’ve come across all my time here
What kind of stupid question is this
You enjoy reading such because it doesn’t affect your life
Really
I mean seriously
Regardless whether this affects people’s life or not
There are basic fundamentals things that makes situations right or wrong
And what seugho or whatever his name is....is doing to Nakyum is wrong so stop being foolish I hope you look back on this and feel ashamed and delete this comment whoever you are

As for you....I don’t even know what to say
Just I’m disgusted by what you just agreed with
Regardless whether it’s fiction or not
This is rape and it’s inexcusable

Yall really are a different tupe of delusional to think all of this isn’t fucking rape. Get your mind out the damn gutter open ur damn eyes. So uou dont see him crying and apologizing? Or telling him to stop? Oh ok. I swear yall be to comfortable on the internet just to say some fuck shit. So what if he has a boner or orgasms? Its a natural response it doesnt mean it wants it damn. Yall really need to go outside or something because this was not it.

If it's not an explicit yes, it's a no, period.

Older and 'wiser' can be rapists too, older and well respected can also condone rapist behavior. Remember that Catholic Priests around the world were allowed to keep raping their charges and young vulnerable men and boys for decades is because of people like you who turn a blind eye to victims, because like you say, it doesn't affect you in real life, why should you have any empathy or humanity towards another? Fiction or not, it's your lack of moral compass, which everyone here with an once of human kindness finds disgusting.

Wtf??? That's a natural body reaction. You can't control it. You should read more science...bruhhhhhh

Rape is rape!!!! It's not like Nakyum begged for it. Seungho took advantage of him. Obviously, Nakyum couldn't resist. How could he possibly win against a noble and a physically strong like Seungho? He had no choice but to obey!

Too bad, you're one of those people with twisted mind who couldn't differentiate rape from a consensual sex. Ughhhh pleade broaden your mind and use your common sense. You're no different to those who blame the rape victims!

I'm sick of people like these. (๑•ㅂ•)و✧

believe me I am a calm womsn living my live with my husband and peacefully. What I wanted to say is I dont get triggered by fiction, I dont get mad at authors and I dont butt in in their story and I dont throw tsntrums. All these mangas and all your talking does not affect me in the slightest. I think the chapter in the pavilion was rape however this chapter it wasnt. I sm not saying that Nk wanted it right now because he was still in the trauma of him kidnapping and he was still scared because he was threatened BUT he likes SH at that point whether you like it or not he likes him, he enjoys the sex even though at that moment he was clearlg unsettled. Also you csn see the panel with the kiss or near kiss when NK was waiting for SH to kiss him eagerly. Im dine talking with you kids and if you feel triggered by the manga you can simply stop reading it because I sm sure it will not turn to fluffy :)

Period!!

Stop describing yourself girlie have some some self confidence luv your not dumb you just lack of common sense

I mean spell this out for me s.t.u.p.i.d ok now that your done describing yourself . It's the not paying for the chapter and thinking you have a say for me

Girl no one is gonna read your bullshit just go and take a seat plz and thank you

You just pressed hshshshshsksk

You look like a an idiot trying to prove your nonsense just go back to eating your lunchables chile-

If painter of the night triggers you so much "THEN LEAVE" simple as that

dont bother with them. They are the suck ones if fiction manga triggers them lol

ai swear I have not real the whole article that she wrote just the first 3 word. Couldn't bother and the funniest bit is that she is still glued here and reading this manga about her so called rape

I'm really confused as to what your point is. Care to explain?

That's really cute. You agree with people being entitled to their own opinions, but in the same breath accuse someone of speaking for them and bringing irrelevant conversation such as 'not paying' in and even go in so far to belittle them.

I already explained read my previous comments and thus topic does not need to be dragged any longer :)

The topic doesn't need to be, but talking to you and reading your previous replies really disturbs me. So what if you're a married woman and you don't get triggered over fiction? Are you invalidating the rape in this book just because it is fiction? Makes me shudder to think people like you exist. I would be scared if you were my judge in court if I was a rape victim.

People have the right to get angry over characters. And yes it is rape.

Are you that bored? ok if you want to drag it on then I dont care that it distirbs you maybe enrol yourself in some councelling sessions they might help and no it wasnt rape :))

I am that bored. Why would I need councelling for? Nowhere did I state that I was disturbed by this book.

you said my comments disturb you then you should get councelling I gave you an advice other than than I really domt care about what your opinions are :)

Wow. I might just listen to this anonymous, 33 year old, married woman, who likes to side with rapists advice on councelling. Honey, save that appointment for yourself- you sound like a broken record.

you know what? at this point I will turn off notifications as now you really proved you are bored! ok fo t get councelling I reslly dont care whether you listen to me or not really and truly dont :))))))

rose go back to the other roses this dark place is not for you

Sweetheart, dear, youngling... since you are certainly younger than I am, I have to state that fact as it seems like your age is the only argument you could use to counter founded educated facts from others. The topic of rape or the subject matter of this manga doesn't trigger me. It's ignorant people like you who do. But I could only blame lack of education and extreme narcissism as the reason why you're the way you are. There is no need to get help either, because it would be wasting money and the therapist's time, since people with this kind of mindset are often too stubborn evolve.

This whole speech. Thank you.

I doubt this person is actually older than she sells herself. I mean to be this uneducated during this century over a well-known subject matter must mean she's either lives under some rock or is completely shelter living in a patriarch upbringing. It's sad, but there people with such an archaic mindset. Unfortunately, the internet doesn't require IQ to comment.

Child, child, child...when had the people who comment here said that the manga triggers them? No one here is attacking the manga. We're just surprised by the ignorant responses especially when someone called themselves wiser than others but certainly did not act the part. The topic of biological reaction and rape is not new. It's a well-known fact. Further, I am simply explaining individuals with that kind of mindset in real life, not in fiction are the type who often or not will condone rapist behavior due to that form of definition. Like when a lawyer accused a rape victim of wearing a short skirt, so she must be asking for it. Further knowledge and education are important when reading this type of manga, and there is no reason why others should be censored by you or anyone here by telling them to stop reading and speaks their mind. Look at the big picture, educate yourself, and grow up.

they can comment I dont care but they reached a point where they try to impose their opinion on other people lol and on top of that whine and threaten to leave the manga lol snd tes im 33 and yes waaay wiser than you, talk to me again when you grow up kids and close the door begind you :)

and if was her snd you the butten in in this guys comment and now whine that we dont agree with you. Who is the child here ? who gets triggered and who cant differentiate between fiction and reality ? not me Im normal

My apologies, it's just the way you act, it's really hard for me to see you as an adult. In fact, your use of language, responses, and of all things calling yourself wise and announcing "age" to debase others from the very beginning is not helping your case at all. It's more laughable than anything since the other younger commenters sounded more mature than you are. Sweetheart, open your eyes, they are not triggered by fiction...so stop using that as an excuse because you can't give a knowledgeable. It is your definition of rape that triggered them. You consider yourself smart and still can't even differentiate that? It is you who all rapists would want to have on their Jury stand. This has nothing to do with fiction, cause you yourself are flesh and blood, and very much an alive human. The readers of this manga already knew what they are getting themselves into, like those who watch GOT, but when a subject is overdone, redundant, and with no character development, they should be allowed to voice their opinions. You don't like the opinions, then take your own advice not to read them.

With your sentence structure and incoherent response...I would have to say it would be you who need to go back to school and learn to write properly. It is my fault, I thought responding in a professional manner would help since you keep bragging about how 'wise' you are. But I should have taken the hint. It's impossible to explain grad school level math to an elementary school kid. You're right, you are just 'normal'.

rape doesn’t trigger me. this is a fantastic story - just like killing stalking, just like most of harada’s works. but it DOES have rape like why can’t you comprehend this.

Sorry English is not my first language however I have other 3 so not complaining at all :))

if you dont get triggered so dont butt in in other people's opinions and try to change them and claim that what you say is right and for e others to change their's because acually this behaviour is childish thats why I called you all children. You still have a long wsy to reach that state that I am in but it comes with age and experience so it will come eventually. Gave a good day only 2 days untill thd update but there is high pissibility of hardcore scenes so prepare your sensitive heart for that

Younger shelter sister of mine...just because you called others children doesn't mean you are mature in the least. Ranting to others has nothing to do with experience or prove that you are right. It's no better than five years old throwing a tantrum because she doesn't get her way. Actually, since you asked, the only reason why I even butt in in the first place is that you repeatedly used your so-called advanced age and the only vocabulary you possess was wise and wiser as though those things actually mean you have an ounce of intellect. I notice you didn't use intelligence, education, and even common sense as your backing, which made me realized you have no credential, to begin with. So there, that was the real reason why I butt in. Considering you are the slighter younger part of my generation, it just pains me you're shaming us with a lack of knowledge. Read more my dear, that's my advice. It should improve your vocabulary at least, even if it may not improve your mind.

So do I. As a first-generation immigrant, raised in refugee camps, in a multilingual household, and currently a translator for two other languages in my spare time.

Good for you. I am too busy to be caring about proper writing here. If I really want to I can produce proficuency level writing but just cant bother but its good that you do :)

proficiency **

For someone who doesn't care, you seem to be here a lot.

and clearly the lack of arguments regarding the ACTUAL topic made you attack my English. If I tell you what I am actually doing in my live and what level of education I am at, your jaw would drop, so its best if you do t challenge me in this lol

I challenge you. Go on, show off for us.

yes replaying to you. If you read my preeeeevious comment I said can we close this topic please but nooooo you guys glued yourselves here so I decided to stay as well until you children get tired :))

Of course, because proper language is important to articulate what we mean in everyday communication. Every word has a different meaning, depending on what word we use. Even in translation, a similar but wrong word will create a completely different context. Limiting us to emojis or texting expression only create misunderstanding and cause more conflict in the long run. This is part of the reason why so many readers here were so defensive towards your form of communication. Which I have to say is quite childish in your wording, hence why you receive more attacks.

There are at least 15 comments on here on why it is rape on this topic, but you dismiss them and you wonder why there are a lack of comments on the actual topic. You are the one who bought in your personal life into the argument. Think about it. I managed to keep a conversation going without letting anyone know of my personal life. Crazy right? That's how people who actually have points for their arguments talk.

currently I am doing a PhD in the UK in alalytical chemistry ( not English language lol) im in my last year other that that I am a pharmacist with 2 additional masters degrees from the Uk as well in pharmaceutical science + analytical science. I took English language courses as well on top of that I translate between 4 languages in my free time:))

All of that. Makes me wonder what your professors would say on your views.

Hon, you just bragged about your language skills, and I only respond in kind. Then suddenly you decided to brag more just for the sake of winning? What is wrong with your head? Does your husband not give you enough orgasm at night for you to be this spiteful? Like I mentioned many comments ago, your narcissism is impossible to cure.

but you need to understand that other prople might think differently yes? there might be 100 comments not just 15 but it doesnt mean that I need to change my opinion yes? that argument should be closed really long time ago because you and others will not change my mind so why you keep going ? I am happy to close this conversation on a happy note and I really hope this manga gets more fluffy as well and I agree that ladt chapter was not pleasant to read. I pay for all chapters and last chapter felt dragged and unnecessary sex scene but I do t throw tantrums and I respect the author anf their ideas and I do t think it was rape sooo you see you didnt change my opinion but thank you for your input

read previous comments. It is not me who mentioned language skills ! and it is not me who bragged on anything I asked in one if the first comments for this conversation to end but they didnt listen. Maybe it is not you but the other person but definitely not me me who mentioned language skills and not me who is bragging you get it all wrong have a nice day

Hold on. Weren't you the one who complained about the lack of arguments and deemed yourself superior based on your age? For someone who is working towards a pHD, your words aren't concise and distilled enough. I didn't ask whether you paid or not either. Stop bringing irrelevant topics into the conversation. For the record, saying you live in the UK shames me.

Just give up on her. Narcissists are this way. Who knows if she is telling the truth or not. Her behavior speaks otherwise because I for one don't know a single PhD with this mindset. None of us brags about our credentials to win any arguments here, except for her. She lacks something in her life, so she has to find ways to get it in any form possible. Just mute this conversation and let it go since this woman is seeking acceptance to boost her ego.

Well...saying she's from my generation also shames me...HAHAHA

I didn't listen. But you didn't have to continue the conversation either. I also never once talked about language, so stop finding scapegoats. No one forced you to reveal the fact that english isn't your first language, and Mini over here even proclaimed she was also the same as you.

Okay. :)

Finally:))

Actually, I only brought up language skills is because I got tired of someone who writes like a teenager texting, while calling everyone else children as if she's above us. It irks me to receive attacks with incoherent sentences meanwhile, she called herself 'wiser' than everyone here.

Actually, I only brought up language skills is because I got tired of someone who writes like a teenager texting while calling everyone else children as if she's above us. It just irks me receiving attacks with incoherent sentences, meanwhile callling themselves 'wiser'

you got tired so you should have left you know? I really couldnt care less whether you stay here or not loool and care even less about your opinions

We are literally in a chat room saying you have to have your last words or you can't sleep well at night. Your mental illness is quite serious my dear. I hope you have it check out. HAHAHAHA As for me, I am happily sleeping knowing I will never be this desperate for attention. I hope you will find your happiness someday so you don't have to stoop to this level. We do feel sorry for you and a bit for your husband.

@ mini you are a very pitful person who needs to disable my replies to you :)) lack of arguments huh? very pitfull I tealky had a laugh

* really

wow.. just a great comeback like,, you can't even refuse the fact that it was rape

my gosh, i like the fucking manga. a story can still be good with traumatic scenes, that's literally apart of the plot

you act like you're paying for it either..

but Rose the story IS good and it is always number 1 manga on l e z h l i n. I agree that it got a little frustrating these 2 chapters but some people here attack the author and also threaten that they will stop paying for chapters and throw tantrums if it us not going their way. This is the author's manga and if she wants it hardcore it will be. If she wants to include possessive SH behaviour she will, no need for childish tantrums here as this year is already s h i t t y we all come here to relax and enjoy the mangas

What on earth is this woman saying? At least source your readers before complaining 'some people here attack the author'. If you wanted to talk about that, you should make a different topic post. I'm also convinced you don't read half the comments, so I don't need to talk any more than I have now- it'll be a waste of time. Your responses lack depth.

This, dear spectators who have trudged through the comment section, is a case of emotional immaturity at its finest.

are you fr rn? people can read media without supporting it or denying what its about

Okay then If u don’t like it jusss leave simple•,, stop trying to argue with others•,,（￣へ￣）

yes exactly!! so why they come to other ppls comments and try to force their opinions on others lol thats the whole point of my argumemts

no where did i say i didnt like it.... if I read killing stalking does that mean I support murder? you sound stupid as fuck. I can read this manga and enjoy the storyline but I'm not going to say its not rape when the ARTIST has said it is multiple times. Sorry you live in this perfect world where a good story cant have bad parts.

how am i forcing an opinion when all I said was that you have the mindset of a rapist who says that the victim deserves it simply because of body reactions. 33 years old reading yaoi manga and lacking basic reading comprehension. What a world

now you are annoying ans a lier !! did I say tgat TGE BICTIM DESERVED IT ??????????im done with you please dont expand this conversation any longer necsuse I AM NOT WILLING TO DISCUSS ANYTHING WITH YOU ANYMORE! GET THAT TO YOUR THICK SKULL

yes you know why I sm stupid? because I put myself in a discussion with the likes of you . BYE NOW and dont cling here sny longer and it wasnt rape whether you like it or not !! bye bye

If your wife/ husband ever decides to break up please dont cling to them like you are clinging to me here when I already said 10000 of comments ago to close this conversation because all of us expressed are opitions that WE ARE ALL entitled to. And here you are still here blabbering nonsence and putting words in my mouth you bored child

Dude whoever you are I’m not gonna mince my words I’m just gonna say it since no one had the balls to call you out properly
You are really stupid and dumb mehnnn I don’t know what you’re on about that long ass stupid shitty comment you made
But you keep asking people why they’re on there reading POTN since it triggers them and it doesn’t trigger you or whatever the hell you’re saying
I’m going to answer you
Shut your stupid trap and get the fuck out of this comment cause honestly you sound like a creepy insensitive thing I don’t think you’re human cause no person intentionally pokes at people that give them opposing notions asking about triggering trauma
Ewwwwwww what the hell you want to make your point make it don’t come at people in real life and real time
And y’all that are saying it’s rape if this douchbag doesn’t want to agree leave it be before you get insulted by a stupid mofo who is probably a rapist too cause you know sick minds think alike mehnnn
Y’all should just drop this

you think i will you read your article? poor you had to write an article just to annoy me but guess what? I dont care about your opinions of me because you are nothing to me so a no one wont have any affect on me and you can write books about me but it still ont affect me you are pathetic

@Tsunmimi

Girl, before you say anything, stop there. She's a complete narcissistic who doesn't care if you insult her. That's why I didn't say anything, because she'll just go round in circles. As I said before, she only sees what she wants to and that's why she resorts to using her age and personal information as an argument. You should spend your time elsewhere, because talking to her is a absolute waste of time.

Also, to the 33-year-old: For someone who has all of these qualifications, you seem to spend a lot of time on this website instead of studying. I'm not telling you what to do, but your time would be best spent reading and educating yourself. Right?

I sm going around in circles? I do t remember myself attacking you but its you who kept attacking, talking about my English skills snd calling me with a rape midset! Thats the problem with people pointing other people flaws but not looking at themselves!

Thank you honestly I should have known better I appreciate the advice and I’d adhere to it

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